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Outcoached.

Carver Arena Guy said:
Do you feel the same way about a season four years ago or does that season count but the others do not?
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I'm simply saying 6-8 years ago seems like a long time to me. Please explain to me what those years have to do with this year, next year, or any other future year. We are all well aware that the most successful season in many of our lives was simply a fluke and does not count for anything, yet the seasons 6-8 years ago most certainly do. :roll:
 
shaunguth said:
I'm simply saying 6-8 years ago seems like a long time to me. Please explain to me what those years have to do with this year, next year, or any other future year. We are all well aware that the most successful season in many of our lives was simply a fluke and does not count for anything, yet the seasons 6-8 years ago most certainly do. :roll:
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As does four years ago to me. I don't feel 2006 was the most successful season. It was the most successful post-season. But that is semantics.

Let's take Bradley out of this--if it is possible. How long does a coach get to ride the cottails of one great season? A lifetime? 10 years? What kind of progress does their need to be?

Instead of making some smart aleck comment about what you perceive "others" think and say what do you believe? I get frustrated when the only response guys have is to cynically attack what others say. Can't you bring something original of your own?

Im honestly interested on your take of how you feel/judge coaches. And, again, take the Bradley situation out of it. Use an objective/neutral example.
 
Every time a team loses a game that they are suppose to win you cannot just say they were outcoached, look at the stats first before just making a quick judgement as teams do lose because the other team just happens to hot on a certain night, does anyone think Les out coached Self the night BU beat Kansas? Bradley just played one of their best games of the year, it had nothing to do with bad coaching.
 
Carver Arena Guy said:
As does four years ago to me. I don't feel 2006 was the most successful season. It was the most successful post-season. But that is semantics.
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For some reason, I was under the impression that the NCAA tournament is the ultimate measuring stick when it comes to success or not. I just think it's odd how those seasons that were 6-8 years ago are relevant, but the most successful season (in my opinion, since this is a message board full of opinions) is chalked up as a fluke by many.
 
real fan said:
Every time a team loses a game that they are suppose to win you cannot just say they were outcoached, look at the stats first before just making a quick judgement as teams do lose because the other team just happens to hot on a certain night, does anyone think Les out coached Self the night BU beat Kansas? Bradley just played one of their best games of the year, it had nothing to do with bad coaching.
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You saw the exact same thing after MSU handled us at their place this season and JL wasn't even in the same league as far as coaching goes. Yet, when they came here and we handled them in the same manner, JL was not considered to be a far better coach than his counterpart. And that was a home game, where the coaching staff just stands around and watches the video board and the timeout contests! :roll:
 
shaunguth said:
For some reason, I was under the impression that the NCAA tournament is the ultimate measuring stick when it comes to success or not. I just think it's odd how those seasons that were 6-8 years ago are relevant, but the most successful season (in my opinion, since this is a message board full of opinions) is chalked up as a fluke by many.
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There you go again. You have to comment on supposed opinions by "many" and "others". Why go there? Don't you have an opinion or thought or do you just always default to complaining about what "others" say?

No doubt 2006 was the most successful season of the Jim Les era. I don't think anyone is disputing that. My question was to you--in your opinion--how long does the luster of that last? When do you need to see some improvement? I like good basketball discussion--not where people just sigh, and complain about what other people supposedly say. Especially when "they" aren't a part of the discussion.

Any chance you can reply without referencing "others" or "they", etc?
 
Carver Arena Guy said:
There you go again. You have to comment on supposed opinions by "many" and "others". Why go there? Don't you have an opinion or thought or do you just always default to complaining about what "others" say?

No doubt 2006 was the most successful season of the Jim Les era. I don't think anyone is disputing that. My question was to you--in your opinion--how long does the luster of that last? When do you need to see some improvement? I like good basketball discussion--not where people just sigh, and complain about what other people supposedly say. Especially when "they" aren't a part of the discussion.

Any chance you can reply without referencing "others" or "they", etc?
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That is MY OPINION.......JL was the head coach of the most successful Bradley team in my lifetime! What do you mean, how long does the luster last? IN MY OPINION it should last longer than JL's first three seasons here, which account for the majority of his conference record that always gets referenced when his future job status comes up in conversation.
 
shaunguth said:
That is MY OPINION.......JL was the head coach of the most successful Bradley team in my lifetime! What do you mean, how long does the luster last? IN MY OPINION it should last longer than JL's first three seasons here, which account for the majority of his conference record that always gets referenced when his future job status comes up in conversation.
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Now was that so hard? ;)
 
shaunguth said:
I didn't think it would be so hard to gather my opinion from my previous posts. ;)
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It was. You seemed to be so consumed with the "others" and "they" and that kind of thing ;) I don't know about you but I have a hard enough time remembering what I believe and say that I don't know how to keep track of what everyone else believes, says, posts, yells, etc.
 
I will try and encapsulate all the positive posts I have seen on this Forum. :D

Go Braves. JL is a master recruiter, instructor, coach, game planner, motivator. Unbelievable story a BU legend with no head coaching experience (or recruiting experience) comes back to coach his alma mater on the ropes and promises MVC titles and return to National promise! Who needs to waste time with all the stepping stones and track record. He now has 8 years experience and will soon be the dean of the MVC except for that slacker at CU. Should only get better! Who wants to flip coaches every 8 years, a receipe for disaster for sure! There aren't any other 'Bradley' guys out there anyway!

Bad luck, injuries, poor officiating, poor facilities, inheiriting a poor team, can't practice in the CC, losing players to the NBA early, wacky girl friends, screwed by the NCAA/NJCAA, a hand picked asst coach turns out to be a traitor - how many bad things could a coach have heaped on him. Check the record books! Unprecedented.

Its a miracle he still wants to come to work each day.

He still has his boyishly good looks and all his hair. What a man's man, a jock's jock. Everyone loves him, including all our spouses! Except for a few pesky refs, sports writers, and some high school coaches in the state. Even Judge BJ McDade loves him. Insiders know the coach is great and the program is on the rise. Unite with the insiders, they are well insiders.

We have the best, most experienced asst coaches, in the Valley. Coveted by major programs around the country. Every recruit we visit wouldn't have any reason not to go to Bradley with their new training facility and 5 20 win seasons in a row. No one in the Valley can compare to our juggernaught. MVC titles, regular and post season, NCAA/NIT are right around the corner. All our players should be preseason and post season all conference next year with more experience. Plus they all study and stay out of jail! BONUS

The hated ISU Redbirds are floundering and don't play anybody. All we need is to sweep them this year and everything will be great!

We have the best fans around, no negativity anytime anywhere. Its the players responsibilty to succeed, no one doubts why the coach picked all of them...Pack the house, don't sit down, we never boo! Its only one loss and we beat the opponent statistically, one loss doesn't mean a thing. Focus on the winning streak! We are there!

Happy days are right around the corner. Compared to the Cubs 100 years of futility, our past 5-6 years are nothing! Next year, year after that, year after that, give the guy more time to get the right players and learn his system. We play in the post season at home so it doesn't matter if we don't win out! Getting there is all the fun! Lets do it again this year.

Time to celebrate the anniversary of the BU NCAA miracle turnaround and NCAA upsets? Should do this every year from now on so no one forgets what JL means to BU fans everywhere!

Does this make everyone on the board feel better?

The perfect post for those who don't like anyone to talk negatively about anything.
 
AZ it's Friday evening. Get a drink! Wow you wrote a novel only shorter then Tolstoy's War and Peace LOL. Let agree there are a few who see JL as a coach who can take this program to where we all want or others feel that he has had his chance and it's time for a change now or where I believe the majority of the crew here can work with is let's see how next year pans out and anything less then a top finish and an NCAA birth we'll have some serious issues.

I personally still believe JL will finish off the season in a very positive manner and he'll have this team playing at a capability to win the conference Tourney. I'm not worrying about next year until after this season.

OK I'm out of here for the evening to go out and enjoy a nice dinner at a new Italian restraunt. You see life is not that bad.
 
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