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Speaking of mascots - Illinois State Univ. bullies high school into dropping their mascot

tornado

tornado

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ISU is bullying Pleasant Plains High School into dropping their Cardinals (Red Bird) mascot..at the threat of legal recourse..
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-pleasantplains-lo,0,6150281.story

Pleasant Plains is a high school of enrollment 461, just northwest of Springfield..
but...EIGHTEEN different high schools in Illinois use either a Cardinal or a Redbird as their mascot -- so is ISU gonna go after them all??
http://www.ihsa.org/school/nickname.htm

http://www.sj-r.com/breaking/x703876908/Contest-to-pick-new-Pleasants-Plains-Cardinal-logo
http://www.ppcusd8.org/Documents/Letter on logo.pdf
 
I could understand it if they used the registered trademark that I believe ISU paid Jansport to create a few years back. However, if you look at the logo they aren't even close.

Pathetic. Talk about an easy way to make yourself look bad. Let well enough alone.
 
My bad...the PP logo on shown in the article on the Pantagraph website doesn't look anything like ISU's logo. The SJR one is exact minus being flipped. I am surprised a uniform or helmet decal manufacturer would even reproduce the logo, making this a mute point.

I still wouldn't choose this story to be the one picked up by the Tribune.
 
ISU is in the right here...You can't have a trademarked logo flipped like that.

who do we know that went to pleasant plains...someone from BU..maybe a pitcher or someone?
 
It looks dumb and bad.

I think there are legal requirements on the use and enforcement of a logo that gives them better legal cases against a maker of fake ISU merchandise.

Not sure why ISU can't just work out a cheap licensing deal with the school and avoid this negative PR
 
srw said:
ISU is in the right here...You can't have a trademarked logo flipped like that.

who do we know that went to pleasant plains...someone from BU..maybe a pitcher or someone?
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BU had a walk on a few years ago Ryan Sunley from Pleasant Plains..
..also women's basketball player Alex Liberatore from a few years back was from there.
but out of good will ISU ought to just let it go...
I would have to ask are they losing any revenue from their logo marketing?? Likely not, and they might even be gaining attention if people have ISU come to mind when seeing the Plains logo..
 
Ahh yes. both are correct.

I really enjoyed Libatore


I don't disagree...But what happens if suddenly 3 other schools adopted it, or say Ball State adopted it..

There is a precedent factor that would be used against ISU in that situation
 
Disturbed said:
I know for a fact that Illini Bluffs uses the same tiger logo as Missouri, only in orange instead of gold.
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Having graduated from Illini Bluffs they used to use the missouri tiger logo but use the clemson logo more now. I know for a fact thats what they use for baseball hats now.
 
as disturbed said, many high school logos are nearly identical to other copyrighted logos, and the vast majority of cases are not legally pursued..

Just a very brief search shows a few to prove my point...

Here's the logo for Campbell High School in Georgia
Campbell_High_School_Logo.png


even an imbecile can see where they ripped that logo off from...
Michigan State
MichiganStateLogo.jpg



Here's Center High School's logo (KS)
http://chs.centerisd.org/images/web_ready/rider_logo_purple.jpg

also pretty obvious where they got this one...
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Likewise Brimfield's Indian is nearly identical to one Bradley used many years ago...
 
Maybe those schools don't have a trademark on their logos. Maybe they don't have the excusive rights to do.

ISU does.

ISU isn't going after every school that has a Cardinal or a Redbird either. Just one's that have the same logo that Illinois State designed and trademarked.
 
Are they going to go after Little League teams next? I'm sure they could have picked their fight elsewhere. They chose these guys because they probably do not have the resources to fight it. It would be great if a lawyer would take it on.
 
SFP, no lawyer would touch such a case. The school district doesn't have a case. Illinois State designed the logo. They got it trademarked. Any school that comes along and steals the design is infringing on the trademark. It's pretty simple.

It's really no different than patenting an idea.

Pleasant Plains didn't do their due diligence when choosing a logo.

Read the link that Tornado provided from the school district:
http://www.ppcusd8.org/Documents/Letter%20on%20logo.pdf

"As a district we are aware that Illinois State University has a right to protect their trademark, and we have the responsibility to recognize this"
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"We need to honor the law and take ownership and leadership in fixing the problem"
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IF ISU didn't trademark the logo, this wouldn't be an issue. But they did. So they must do what they have to do to protect the trademark.
 
cpacmel said:
SFP, no lawyer would touch such a case. The school district doesn't have a case. Illinois State designed the logo. They got it trademarked. Any school that comes along and steals the design is infringing on the trademark. It's pretty simple.

It's really no different than patenting an idea.

Pleasant Plains didn't do their due diligence when choosing a logo.

Read the link that Tornado provided from the school district:
http://www.ppcusd8.org/Documents/Letter on logo.pdf




IF ISU didn't trademark the logo, this wouldn't be an issue. But they did. So they must do what they have to do to protect the trademark.
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Cpac, In our season of misery, it's nice to know you're right there with us! See you Thursday night in St. Louis
 
cpacmel said:
SFP, no lawyer would touch such a case. The school district doesn't have a case. Illinois State designed the logo. They got it trademarked. Any school that comes along and steals the design is infringing on the trademark. It's pretty simple.

It's really no different than patenting an idea.

Pleasant Plains didn't do their due diligence when choosing a logo.

Read the link that Tornado provided from the school district:
http://www.ppcusd8.org/Documents/Letter%20on%20logo.pdf




IF ISU didn't trademark the logo, this wouldn't be an issue. But they did. So they must do what they have to do to protect the trademark.
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Really! (Sarcasm just in case) no lawyer would take it. You are so right that is why they are getting hammered. They needed an easy target and these guys fit the bill. What harm are they doing? Come on, if BU did this I'd feel the same way.
 
SFP said:
Really! (Sarcasm just in case) no lawyer would take it. You are so right that is why they are getting hammered. They needed an easy target and these guys fit the bill. What harm are they doing? Come on, if BU did this I'd feel the same way.
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If they really cared just about protecting their trademark, they would license it to the high schools for a bargain basement price.

Kansas State and others do something similar for high schools. They just require that any tshirts/etc with that logo be printed at a KSU vendor, from which they get a kickback. Sounds fair to me?
 
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