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IHSA Multiplier

tornado

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By now most have heard the IHSA just changed the multipler rules significantly -- allowing many schools to opt out and get a waiver --
thus this changes many schools' classifications...
the cutoffs for the Classes were also dramatically changed..
http://www.ihsa.org/school/waivers.htm


A few examples -- now Peoria Christian will drop back to 1A in baseball and softball!!
Meanwhile, boys basketball at Putnam County moves UP to 2A as does Tremont basketball.
Overall everything gets lots more complex and you have to check the data yearly to know what class you play in!
 
It's an interesting time to look at the IHSA Multiplier again..

as many know the IHSA was a success-penalty aimed at private school to slow them down and prevent them from being so successful in state tourney play...the expansion of the classes was also wimed at allowing more opportunity for the majority public schools to get titles.

-First - has it worked?
Some will say yes, but in reality - easily done checks of who has been winning state titles in various sports, shows that the multip[lier has had very little effect on preventing private schools from dominating certain sports.
The idea was to bump the privates up to higher classes so the smaller schools would have more chances.

Let's just look at a few representative sports and the sports that are most popular.


1)Baseball - almost all state champs in baseball have always been the public schools...
In 2007-2008 they went to 4 classes from two..
In the four seasons since, a private school has won one of the smaller classes (1A & 2A) twice & the larger classes (3A & 4A) once.
(there were also four MORE private runner-ups)

BUT in the prior full decade (10 seasons!)!!!! Only one private had won in any class in any year!! (Niles Notre Dame on 03-04, Class AA)
...so CLEARLY the Multiplier has NOT accomplished it's dcesired effect in baseball.


2)Boys Basketball - in the past four seasons since going to 4 classes, two priavtes have won the smaller classes.
In the prior DECADE before that it had only happened twice (Hales 02-03, Leo 03-04)


3)Football -
the only classes that were ever in question were 2-5 where schools like Joliet Catholic and New Lenox Providence Catholic used to dominate before the Multiplier.
BUT - the Multiplier hasn't even worked here where the MAIN purpose of it was intended to force the privates up a class or two so they wouldn't win.

Again - it didn't work...Joliet Catholic again got to the title game again last fall in Class 5A and faced YET ANOTHER private school (Lombard Montini) - so anyone who doesn't see that instead of always dominating Class 4A - now the Catholic privates simply dominate 5A!
In Classes 2-5A 13 title game participants were private since 2008, compared to the exact same number the previous four seasons - and if you go back into the 1990's before all the talk of eight classes and the Multiplier - then in the final four-year span before those changes came - between 1997-2000
THERE WERE ONLY 11 PRIVATES THAT WON ANY OF THE SIX CLASSES.
So again -- the exapansion to eight classes plus pushing the privates up to higher classes has resulted in NO perceptable changes.


4)Boys & Girls Golf
W've now had five years experience with expansion to 3 classes plus the multiplier -
In those five seasons - fifteen of the 28 teams awarded either champion or runnerup trophies were private!!
That's essentially the exact same percentage as was seen in the prior 5 seasons under 2 classes and before the Multiplier (11 of 20)

It's even more noticable in Girl's Golf...
Past 5 seasons with 2 classes - 10 of 20 champs & runnerups were private.
The preceding 5 seasons only 3 of 11 were.

5) Boys & Girls Soccer
Here we really see the futility of the Multipler!

Past four seasons under the Multiplier and a 3-Class system -
Boys - 12 of 24 teams in the title game were privates
Girls - 8 of 18 were privates

in the preceding four seasons it was 6-16 for boys and 6-16 for girls
so - once again - the percentage of title game participants that are privates is UNCHANGED by all the manipulating and new rules.


6) Girls Volleyball - now get ready for some really stunning facts...

-They went to five classes under the Multiplier in 2007, so in the past FIVE SEASONS...
16 of 32 title game participants were privates...including 5 of 8 this current season.

In the comparable five seasons before that in TWO Classes,
only 6 of 20 final game participants (Champs & Runnerups) were privates.
So...the Multiplier has been a CLEAR failure.

And on and on it goes - in every sport....
In fact -

Here's the kicker
In Girls Swimming and Diving -- there was NO PRIVATE school champ nor runnerup all the way from the beginning of the state playoffs in 1975, through 2001 (25 seasons)
.......and only ONE in first 28 seasons - up to 2004!!!!!!

Then the multiplier kicked in and guess what??
I don't have an explanation for it - but since the Multiplier in Girls Swimming and Diving...
SEVEN TIMES in the past 9 seasons there's been a private school among the Champs or Runnerups with four champions being private!!
Whoa - the Multiplier sure BACKFIRED here, I guess...
 
so I think we proved it didn't work -- so how do the other schools feel about it...

Many are NOT happy and want further rule changes...

as expected many are not happy - they see the IHSA as incessantly meddling with something that was already working just fine and now it's got even more serious problems...

http://www.newstrib.com/articles/sports/todays-n-t-sports/default.asp?Article=28235&aname=Column%3A+Are+IHSA+changes+needed%3F
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_efdc0772-9c77-11e0-b138-001cc4c002e0.html
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...es-20110616_1_ihsa-multiplier-charter-schools

but to me the funniest part of this whokle Multiplier thing is this....
The Multiplier itself is EXACTLY what the public school folks demanded -- they pushed and pushed until they got their way...
and even when they were told that we all KNEW they wouldn't be happy with the outcome -- they still said it WAS WHAT THERY WANTED!!!
So are they happy that they got EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED???

Well - read for yourself...of course not -- they want more, and more, and more --
I guess the only thing that'll make the public school crowd happy is to either BAN all private schools - something that has been resoundingly a failure elsewhere
as so many of the most prominant and wealthiest citizens then no longer support the public schools and their playoffs costing state organizations MILLIONS...
http://www.morrisdailyherald.com/20...a-good-thing-ihsa-but-its-not-enough/aagujrq/
 
Just a little more silliness to the multiplier...check out yesterday's 2012 IHSA SCHOLASTIC BOWL State Championships....
It didn't get as much coverage as the IHSA Basketball Finals, but I dare say this kind of competition might just be a bit more important in the long run for the survival of our species...

Now - of course - we even have activities such as SCHOLASTIC BOWL subject to the multiplier...
so not only are there two classes (1A & 2A) but every private school is forced to "play up" because there are people who think they have an unfair advantage or that maybe they are out there recruiting the brainier kids... :roll::roll::roll:

Well - let's see if the gimmicks (increasing classes and adding a multiplier) worked ...

In Class 1A yesterday - the Final Four schools were Carterville, Rockford Keith Country Day, Chicago Christian School, and Peoria Christian.
The Finals were between Chicago Christian & Peoria Christian and Congrats to Peoria Christian HS who are the STATE CHAMPS!!!
..so 3 out of 4 at STATE were private schools and both of the Finals participants were privates.

BUT - here's what's even more surprising...as the privates don't generally have as much impact in the large class since there simply are so FEW large private schools...
BUT of the four Finalists in Class 2A - there were TWO private/unboundaried schools and the Champion was one one of them -- beating Macomb HS.
So 50% of the Final Four were privates...

SO -- the privates who make up about 15% of all IHSA schools, again comprise 50-75% of the finalists at STATE and also comprise 100% of the State Champs in Scholastic Bowl....

Could it just be that when private schols win it's because they are better - and not because they have some ridiculous unfair advantage that needs to be legislated against?
 
I guess the whining never ends....

...the multipler, more classes, new format for Sectional Seeding, waivers, etc...
year after year IHSA adds more new rules to try to help those hapless public schools win more, and yet every year we see more people whining...

Now, with the multiplier in already in place, IHSA has juggled the enrollment classifications yet again and meddled with the waiver rules...responding with EXACTLY what hose public school whiners had wanted...and presto -- more and more whining by those who think it's unfair to the public schools...

All over the state the sports writers are blubbering and saying it just isn't fair!!!

Southern Illinois - http://thesouthern.com/news/opinion...11e1-8223-001a4bcf887a.html?comment_form=true

LaSalle-Peru area - http://newstrib.com/Main.asp?SectionID=3&SubSectionID=30&ArticleID=20071
http://newstrib.com/main.asp?SectionID=3&SubSectionID=30&ArticleID=20163

Macomb - http://www.mcdonoughvoice.com/sports/x681113876/New-IHSA-rule-causes-class-shuffle

Northern Illinois - http://www.daily-chronicle.com/2012...changes-affect-how-teams-do-business/a9ci914/

Aurora - http://beaconnews.suntimes.com/spor...s-have-plano-yorkville-moving-up-a-class.html

Danville - http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/...anville-monticello-feel-enrollment-sting.html

Sorry if I sound so cynical, but did anyone actually expect all this IHSA rule-changing and meddling to make everyone happy?
Seems everyone was far happier when we had just ONE class in the whole state for every sport and everyone was eligible!
The change to two classes 40 years ago didn't satisfy many - so the attempts to add on new rules and concepts became a yearly attempt by IHSA to placate everyone and it has not worked & the whining skyrocketed.
 
well - now there's enough uproar about the unfairness of the multiplier that IHSA seeks to change it again...

two of the main arguments are -

- that it moves all small private schools up in enrollment and often into bigger classes where competition is harder even tho the LARGE MAJORITY of small private schools
follow the rules, do not compete unfairly, nor recruit, nor enjoy any special advantage...

- and that many other schools who do seem to have an unfair advantage in one way or another - and who win Championships over and over - get off scott free with the current multiplier.

SO - the solution - a "success penalty" - that any school that wins too much or too often then accumulates "points" and if you get enough "points" then you get bumped up to a bigger class and have to compete against schools that are way bigger.
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x793337365/IHSA-to-look-at-success-factor-formula#axzz2VurPb29L


Two thoughts I have - this is almost exactly what was proposed right here on our board 4-5 years ago as an alternative to the broad & general multiplier.
Funny how IHSA took that long to realize what we knew five years ago.

And this is still not a perfect system - because it equally penalizes all schools simply for being successful! It doesn't actually LOOK at why they are successful.
If they are successful because they have good kids, good coaching, and a good program then they should NOT be penalized.
(PND soccer, PCS golf, IVC baseball, Central & Manual basketball)

But if they are successful because they lure kids to transfer in (Simeon basketball, UHigh golf) or because they recruit (Joliet Catholic, most Chicago schools recruit hard in basketball)
or have any other unfair advantage, then they should have the "success penalty.
 
tornado said:
well - now there's enough uproar about the unfairness of the multiplier that IHSA seeks to change it again.......

SO - the solution - a "success penalty" -...
Click to expand...

i was only a matter of time - now IHSA institutes the SUCCESS PENALTY...
if your team is good enough to advance in the IHSA State series, especially if they are a PRIVATE SCHOOLS...
then they MUST be penalized and forced to move up a division or two...
What are they going to do with Simeon - make them play up as a State University?
http://www.pjstar.com/article/20140220/SPORTS/140229956/11130/SPORTS?rssfeed=true
 
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This is their way of not having to pursue and expose the private schools on how they recruit kids. Instead of spending money on investigations just put in the new rule and move on. All private schools recruit and also they can manipulate their enrollment.
 
Toyota12 said:
This is their way of not having to pursue and expose the private schools on how they recruit kids. Instead of spending money on investigations just put in the new rule and move on. All private schools recruit and also they can manipulate their enrollment.
Click to expand...

Many private schools recruit. Not all
 
expose the ones that break rules - don't you think it is unfair to penalize all of them just because they succeed at what they are supposed to do?

A school like, say PND, develops and builds all their own talent in soccer thru their good parochial school system..
they are good every year not because they cheat or take other people's players, but because they develop their own.
They not only graduate good kids but send many on to college & beyond as athelets.
Same with PCS & golf, Montini & wrestling, QND & girls basketball...

I guess the real interesting question will be --
what step will they try to come up with NEXT - when this step fails to reduce the proponderance of private school winners like the last 8 to 10 silly steps were supposed to do?
year after year they keep coming up with new "rules" (penalties) to prevent to help the public schools win more titles...
Why not just make all the private school kids play with a ball and chain or blindfolded??
 
I agree 100% with Kirk Wessler's opinion this morning in his column on the new IHSA discrimination...
the column is not yet linked online
 
Wonder what IHSA is going to do now...their plans to penalize private schools and make it easier for public schools to win are NOT working...

Just look at girls basketball..
Last weekend they played the 1A & 2A Finals...
Of course there's not much competition from private schools in 1A, because with the multiplier - any private school of any significant size is already bumped up to 2A

But in 2A - the privates dominated.
St. Thomas More won the STATE TITLE and it was men vs. boys ...or whatever -
St. Thomas More killed everyone - they won the TITLE game 70-34 - they led 40-16 at half!
Plus one of the other Final Four teams was also a private school.

Now this weekend come 3A & 4A - and it's gonna be the same...
In 3A - three of the Final Four teams are private (as were 8 of the Sweet 16) and from the way it's going it looks like it'll be an all-private school FINAL
Even in 4A - one of the Final Four teams is private - and there just aren't many private schools in 4A because the enrollment in that class starts at 1421.
But there soon will be more - as the new rules will push those 3A winners up into 4A - then we'll start seeing more privates in the 4A Final Four.
If Marian wins 4A will they create a new class - 5A - and bump them up? Or just kick them out of IHSA altogether?

In football four of the 8 classes were won by privates - and two other privates also were in the final games - probably the reason for all the new anti-private penalties.
 
1a & 2A Champs (Bloomington Central Catholic & Mooseheart) are in the books...
so the non-public schools are 2 for 2 so far....
Doubt we'll see a private school win 3A with Morgan Park, Lincoln, Bogan & Orr, but Marian, & Benet are strong possibilities in 4A..
... in fact we're likely to see an all-private finals
 
Well, the predicted next step has come....

Public schools from the northern part of Illinois are requesting that IHSA kick all private schools out of their state tournaments....
They have requested that the state run two completely separate state series - one for the public schools and one for the private schools.

Of course we knew this was coming - after a decade of passing more and more and more rules to try to weaken the chances of the priavte schools kicking their butts - now they have finally come to the inevitable - they just don't want to play them any more.
http://qconline.com/archives/qco/display.php?id=685928
http://www.pjstar.com/article/20140702/Sports/140709757
 
The IHSA is looking into several new proposals and members will vote on them...
http://www.ihsa.org/documents/bylaws/2014-15BylawProposals.pdf

-one allows a private school kid to transfer one time without the penalty of sitting out a full year

-one new proposal inserts additional rules & penalties if coaches try to recruit players to their school

-one proposal seeks to eliminate the "multiplier" completely...
"Implemented in 2005, the multiplier was intended to provide competitive
balance and a “leveled playing field” between boundaried and non-
boundaried schools. Since that time, approximately only one-third of
the non-boundaried schools have the multiplier applied to them. This
represents less that 10 percent of the IHSA membership, rendering the
multiplier ineffective and irrelevant."

- and one seeks to have two completely separate state tournaments - one for public schools & one for privates - thus paving the way finally for more public schools to claim they are champions

-the most complex proposal seeks to overhaul how the football classifications are done
 
revised text of the proposals...

the two main ones that will change what we see...

-kids can transfer from private schools to private schools and not lose a year of eligibility
Previously - any transfer had to sit out a year

-the multiplier to be modified or eliminated and a "success penalty" instituted
 
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