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Final: Missouri State 66 Bradley 69

Fyrebyrd said:
I don't know where ESPN pulls their lines from, but I did see during the game that they listed it as Even as well.
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I saw BU -7 early Saturday morning...guess it went up to 8 or 8.5 prior to tipoff. Looked like we were going to cover until the last couple minutes.
 
tornado said:
my summary thoughts on the flu shot..

good for anyone who is old or living in dorms & close quarters with lots of exposure

not as necessary or beneficial for other younger, healthy people or children...
..nobody ever wants to see serious effects from the flu but just reading about children dying from the flu does not mean getting the flu shot would have prevented it.

but here is a problem for the average guy trying to make heads or tails out of this...

-some articles and studies say the flu shot had little or no benefit
http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=9&SubSectionID=9&ArticleID=12400
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/feb2505flushots.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/vaccinations_aren_sure_shots_4xJ9Ee0CT3IWydDu6gIwiO

-and some say you HAVE TO GET IT because it is very effective.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/flu-shot-only-59-percent-effective_n_1032916.html
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/737711

but the shot is cheap and largely free of side effects so even if it gives just a little benefit - then you probably didn't do wrong getting it.
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My 11-year old was just diagnosed with Type A Influenza last evening...and he had gotten the flu shot just like he does every year. One of the nurses in the ER said it was only 64% effective this year so far...
 
Tulsa Brave said:
My 11-year old was just diagnosed with Type A Influenza last evening...and he had gotten the flu shot just like he does every year. One of the nurses in the ER said it was only 64% effective this year so far...
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I am sorry to hear that.
No vaccine is 100% effective since it depends on each person's immune system.
The flu vaccine also is affected by the fact that the flu virus keeps mutating rapidly (thus the need for a new vaccine every year), and there are always new strains of the virus that the vaccine is not totally protective against.
That 64% (60-70%) is about where every flu vaccine has been most years since the first flu vaccines were developed. That includes all the elderly people who get the flu shot but have weaker immune systems.
The people getting the flu who have been vaccinated generally have milder cases because they may have partial immunity.
People are still way better off with the vaccine than without it, but it is not 100% protective.
 
I agree, and I would rather be 60% protected against the flu, or at the very least a milder version of it than not at all. I don't agree with people who say the flu shot is useless, and this is coming from someone who is in his early 40's. I've been getting the flu shot for about ten years, and all I can remember is maybe one mild 24 hour flu bug in that time span. It's better to be safe than sorry.
 
lightsout said:
Walt's game winner checked in at # 3 tonight on the SportsCenters Top 10 plays.
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Did they say it better than this morning's SC?
"Walt----Lemon---Jr.
Off the backboard, at the buzzer.
66-69, Missouri St." (Then next play)

I guess we lost :/
 
ph said:
Did they say it better than this morning's SC?
"Walt----Lemon---Jr.
Off the backboard, at the buzzer.
66-69, Missouri St." (Then next play)

I guess we lost :/
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Hah, saw that too and was wondering if anyone else caught that. They sure didn't screw up the Butler vs. Gonzaga buzzer beater :roll:
 
STLbraves said:
Hah, saw that too and was wondering if anyone else caught that. They sure didn't screw up the Butler vs. Gonzaga buzzer beater :roll:
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No, of course not. But I won't call it "anti-MVC bias" since they would not screw up Creighton vs. Wichita St. either. Bradley and Missouri St. are not competiting for at-large NCAA Tournament bids right now, so of course ESPN wouldn't take the time to double check the stats for our game. :rolleyes:
 
This is a good All Things Considered piece on the anti-vaccine hysteria that erupted 15 years ago thanks to a bogus study claiming a link between vaccines and autism, and how it's resulted in kids today contracting diseases that were thought to have been wiped out decades ago:

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/09/132735944/as-the-facts-win-out-vaccinations-may-too
Hib and many other diseases thought to be eradicated have returned as more parents choose not to vaccinate their children.

Mnookin says diseases like whooping cough or pertussis have seen huge rises in cases across the country. Last year in California, there were more cases of whooping cough than at any point in half a century. Ten children died.

With children now at risk for diseases that were thought to be forgotten, "the risk of not getting vaccinated felt notional to a lot of parents," he says.

A 2010 pediatric study reveals the movement is growing. Twenty-five percent of parents believe vaccines could cause developmental problems in kids ??” a rise Mnookin blames, in part, on the media.

When the media puts celebrity and anti-vaccination advocate Jenny McCarthy alongside experts from the Center For Disease Control and Prevention, he says, it "gives the impression that there's an equal number of people on two sides of this. And it's just not true."

Countering The Fears
"The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association, the CDC, the EPA, doctors, scientists around the world all agree ??” vaccines are safe," Mnookin says. That scientific consensus is now being trumpeted by a more communicative public health community.

"In pediatricians' offices, there are now, oftentimes, informational pamphlets," he says.
Seminars are held after hours for parents to discuss their concerns.

Additionally, he hopes parents become savvier researchers in the information age. Just Googling "vaccines" and "autism" is dangerous, he says. "There are reliable sources of information out there, and I think those are the people we should look to."

Mnookin recommends the websites of the CDC, American Academy of Pediatrics, and American Medical Association for reliable information about vaccine risks.

"There have been questions that were raised in the past that should have been ??” and were ??” examined. At this point, we're sort of at an asked-and-answered juncture of this debate."
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Well said- for the record, the one single scientist who's single study lead to the hysterical and erroneous link of childhood vaccines to autism- British physician Dr. Andrew Wakefield- has been thoroughly discredited and stripped of his medical license and long-ago lost all funding for any research. His study has now been thoroughly debunked and proven fraudulent. Many results of the study were found to be altered by Wakefield for the designed purpose of trying to show that vaccines caused autism. His co-researchers all withdrew their names from the study when they became aware of his fraud, and the fact that Wakefield had funded the study from money given by lawyers who had planned to sue the vaccine makers with the results.
In 2011, Wakefield was #1 on a list of the worst doctors of 2011 in Medscape's list of "Physicians of the Year: Best and Worst", and in 2012, TIME Magazine named Wakefield in a list of "Great Science Frauds".
He has essentially gone into hiding in the US, though he still has a small but loyal following, including the lovely Ms. McCarthy.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html
 
Mikovio said:
This is a good All Things Considered piece on the anti-vaccine hysteria that erupted 15 years ago thanks to a bogus study claiming a link between vaccines and autism, and how it's resulted in kids today contracting diseases that were thought to have been wiped out decades ago:

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/09/132735944/as-the-facts-win-out-vaccinations-may-too
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the recent surge in whooping cough is almost exclusively in kids who did get the vaccine - it has nothing whatsoever to do with anti-vax sentiment.
http://vtdigger.org/2012/10/08/90-p...h-cases-in-vermont-among-vaccinated-children/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...gests-shortcomings-for-whooping-cough-vaccine

by contrast - with most other vaccines - like measels, mumps, etc....virtually 100% of vaccinated kids - even when exposed - NEVER get the illness.
Some vaccines simply are NOT very effective.
One more example - the highly promoted shingles vaccine - for the main group of people it might help - those over 80...
is only 18% effective according to the very data the manufacturer reports.

"..only 18 percent effective for individuals 80 years and up."
http://www.lockhaven.com/page/content.detail/id/512014/SHINGLES.html
 
Unfortunately, more parents are refusing to vaccinate their kids in recent years, mainly because of wacky false-propaganda like that from Jenny McCarthy, and others. I would urge anyone trying to decide to do your own research and don't necessarily believe what anyone tells you.
But most of the scientific field believes the lack of vaccines has indeed lead to a surge in common preventable diseases like measles and whooping cough, and in infant and childhood deaths from these diseases-

http://science.slashdot.org/story/1...nation-sends-babies-in-oregon-to-the-hospital

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-05-01/...ization-and-respiratory-diseases?_s=PM:HEALTH

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/04/cost-vaccine-refusal/
 
Da Coach said:
Well said- for the record, the one single scientist who's single study lead to the hysterical and erroneous link of childhood vaccines to autism- British physician Dr. Andrew Wakefield- has been thoroughly discredited and stripped of his medical license and long-ago lost all funding for any research. His study has now been thoroughly debunked and proven fraudulent. Many results of the study were found to be altered by Wakefield for the designed purpose of trying to show that vaccines caused autism. His co-researchers all withdrew their names from the study when they became aware of his fraud, and the fact that Wakefield had funded the study from money given by lawyers who had planned to sue the vaccine makers with the results.
In 2011, Wakefield was #1 on a list of the worst doctors of 2011 in Medscape's list of "Physicians of the Year: Best and Worst", and in 2012, TIME Magazine named Wakefield in a list of "Great Science Frauds".
He has essentially gone into hiding in the US, though he still has a small but loyal following, including the lovely Ms. Jennie McCarthy.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html
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Glad to see some fraud finally got exposed for who he is! Don't even get me started on the autism fallacy.

Melissa McCarthy? Not sure if that's who you are talking about.

Oh never mind, just saw it in your above post. I was close. That's Melissa's cousin.
 
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