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More players named by FBI as having received payoffs including Wichita State and Creighton players

tornado said:
not bitter - discussing facts - but, appreciate your opinions...
and it's not like Wichita isn't familiar with cheating - https://www.kansas.com/sports/colleg...e17990345.html


also - Shocker people obsessing whether they are on the bubble for the NIT
https://www.kansas.com/sports/colleg...227690204.html
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Yes, the baseball office gave players the same discount the university received on merchandise. I just hope the punishment of all the teams in the present scandal is on the same level as what WSU got for this. If they do, there will be a lot of death penalties handed out. Of course we both know they won't.

On the NIT. If we win the first game and beat Temple in the second probably 50/50 on the NIT. I'd say about 35% chance of beating Temple. Lost in OT at home this year.

Congratulations to the Braves by the way. I have always been a fan of that program.
 
thanks - we still think the MVC is a nice place to be -
MVC is 4-1 in NCAA Tournament play since the departure of Wichita and we hope to improve on that shortly
 
Stryker said:
from my understanding it wasn’t the Universities thatvwere getting bribed to let these rich kids in, it was just a couple administrators or coaches etc. the schools weren’t getting any money. Heck, it seems the way for a rich kid to get in is to have their parents make a large donation to the school, but apparently the schools don’t care about that as much anymore when it comes to making exceptions in their admissions departments. So these parents resorted to bribing coaches and other admin staff.


In regards to the Creighton stuff, I always find it amazing that head coaches seem to be able to brush off this stuff and blame it on an assistant. It’s nuts that will fly with people today. I can’t imagine a scenario where the head coach is unaware of one of their assistant coaches doing this stuff. They absolutely are.
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If a kid has pretty good grades and fairly high test scores, then a big donation from the parents can help get their kid admitted. But the fact they chose to cheat,falsify medical records to get special consideration bribe coaches, or pay someone to take the SAT tests, it seems obvious that their kids were so far below the academic standards the school has that it was the only possible way to get their kids admitted.
 
Georgia Tech violations - Josh Pastner was head coach in 2016
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/sta...54920763830272

The other name is Daryl LaBarrie, an assistant basketball coach who has since resigned (in Feb. 2018 ) - LINK

"The NCAA found that in November 2016 - six months after his hire to join Pastner's staff -
(Daryl) LaBarrie took a prospect (later ID'ed as 5-Star Wendell Carter who now plays for the Chicago Bulls)
..on an official visit and a team member (not yet identified) to a strip club and facilitated an improper recruiting contact
with a person described in the notice as a representative of the school's athletics interest. It also found that the prospect
and team member were provided by $300 cash, though not by LaBarrie."
(the money was given to the recruit by Georgia Tech alum and ex-player Jarrett Jack - LINK

One other person was involved - Ron Bell - a former close friend of Pastner and booster
who had yet another odd scandal last year - after Pastner broke off their friendship -
he tried to blackmail Coach Pastner - LINK - LINK - LINK
 
I stumbled on this article from a couple years ago

CBS Sports polled a large hunk of top coaches in NCAA Division I football (not basketball)
and asked the coaches themselves what percent of other coaches are cheating and committing MAJOR violations..
Almost half of those polled said a significant percent (10-20% or more) were cheating!

22% thought up to 30% were knowingly cheating - https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...how-many-teams-cheat-commit-major-violations/

..and in the SEC - 80% of the coaches are cheating!

Hmm...so I looked for a similar basketball study but couldn't find one...
but a study among basketball coaches says there are a significant number of coaches cheating and that this FBI case hasn't changed that
https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...antly-reduced-cheating-in-the-past-10-months/
 
Da Coach said:
Here is another cheating scandal that only peripherally involves athletics. Wealthy people, including some celebrities bribing University officials, including athletic coaches to get their kids into exclusive schools. They are even alleged to have paid surrogates to take SAT tests for their kids, and bribed coaches to award athletic scholarships to their kids for rowing teams, badminton teams, etc., even though their kids never played those sports!
https://tvline.com/2019/03/12/felici...-league-bribe/
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Here's a new twist to the college bribery scandal that wealthy parents were bribing their kids' way into exclusive Universities and
landing them on athletic teams with scholarships without even trying out or being proficient at the sport...

An extremely wealthy father from a ritzy, wealthy Boston suburb wanted to get his two kids into Harvard and on the Harvard fencing team.
So, he arranged to BUY the head fencing coach's house, valued at about $500,000, for almost $1 million!
Then- he never even moved in and resold the house a little over a year later for a $325,000 loss. Thus - the father essentially
slipped the fencing coach a bribe of about half a million dollars disguised as an overpayment for the house..
The father also "donated" $1 million to the fencing coach's "charitable foundation".

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...versation.html


Prediction - we are still just seeing the tip of the iceberg of this scandal - since lots of rich people know extremely tricky and untraceable ways
to slip bribes to people. This case was only brought to light when another Massachusetts couple who had been pursuing the purchase of that home were aghast at the "exhorbitant offer" by the father - so they did a little digging and discovered the sleazy reason why they got outbid by $500K on the home they wanted to buy. Certainly the FBI, the NCAA nor Harvard University would have ever uncovered this on their own.

BTW- you kinda also wonder if someone else at Harvard also got their pockets lined, since they have NOT yet fired this crooked coach,
and have "lawyered up" and have issued a statement of complete doubletalk saying in effect that they have done nothing wrong and will always do the right thing...

also of interest - the fencing team has two captains the past two years - one of which was the older son of this father in question.
The other captain was an All American and one of Harvard's all time greats and Academic All American as well- but oddly the other captain who was the son in question who benefitted from the bribe - is apparently kind-of an average-at-best fencer - he was not even named All-Ivy 2nd team as a senior.
 
another college coach choose to plead guilty and cooperate with the FBI & hope his sentence is light..
in the college admissions bribery scandal... (the one the Hollywood big wigs are caught up in)



Michael Center is a tennis coach at University of Texas-Austin and he took $100,000 bribe to put a kid on full TENNIS SCHOLARSHIP
"without regard to his athletic ability"...

but here is where the coverage ticks the heck out of me....
The above article quotes the guy's lawyer who makes this statement - he is a "very good man who made a bad mistake."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...a8f808c9cfb_story.html?utm_term=.ce7a83fc06cc

This crap makes me angry -- NO, it was NOT a mistake. A mistake is something you really did NOT intend to do....
He conspired, planned and fully intended to deliberately and intentionally CHEAT in order to line his pockets
with a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY! A mistake is when the cashier gives you the wrong change or you forget to
pack a lunch for your kid getting on the bus to school....
THIS IS NOT a mistake - this is greedy, intentional, anti-social, selfish criminal activity ..and I wish the newspaper would call it what it is.
 
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tornado said:
another college coach choose to plead guilty and cooperate with the FBI & hope his sentence is light..
in the college admissions bribery scandal... (the one the Hollywood big wigs are caught up in)



Michael Center is a tennis coach at University of Texas-Austin and he took $100,000 bribe to put a kid on full TENNIS SCHOLARSHIP
"without regard to his athletic ability"...

but here is where the coverage ticks the heck out of me....
The above article quotes the guy's lawyer who makes this statement - he is a "very good man who made a bad mistake."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...a8f808c9cfb_story.html?utm_term=.ce7a83fc06cc

This crap makes me angry -- NO, it was NOT a mistake. A mistake is something you really did NOT intend to do....
He conspired, planned and fully intended to deliberately and intentionally CHEAT in order to line his pockets
with a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY! A mistake is when the cashier gives you the wrong change or you forget to
pack a lunch for your kid getting on the bus to school....
THIS IS NOT a mistake - this is greedy, intentional, anti-social, selfish criminal activity ..and I wish the newspaper would call it what it is.
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I agree!!!
 
Da Coach said:
In the FBI bribery scandal trial today, more secret FBI video recordings were played, and NCAA powerhouse programs like Duke, North Carolina, and Kentucky were mentioned on the recordings by Christian Dawkins as programs he believed were willing to play the pay-for-play game with him to land Zion Williamson-
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1121458184122716160
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I would think the NCAA would be totally embarrassed about this going on right under their noses but I dont think they are
 
One thing I keep forgetting about is all these people receiving money are required to pay taxes on that money. If they didn't then they hid money from the IRS. The IRS has a tendency to not like that. That is how they got Al Capone
 
Things are really getting close to Arizona head coach Sean Miller...
today's FBI bribery case testimony included testimony via a recorded phone call that
stated head coach Sean Miller had agreed to pay and "possibly already was paying,
$10,000 a month for Deandre Ayton, the first pick in the 2018 NBA Draft."
There was also discussion of paying $10K to one of their other players Rawle Alkins.
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports....deandre-ayton/


and something that may affect BRADLEY - there was also discussion about paying Allonzo Trier (and others),
who played against Bradley when Brian Wardle and the Braves went there early in 2015-16 (11-16-2015)

If they did pay Trier, then he would be declared ineligible and Arizona would forfeit that game -
thus Brian Wardle's record in his first season could improve from 5-27 to 6-26 !!
And hey, who knows, by the time this is all over we may pick up a few more wins!
 
Sean Miller keeps getting sucked back into this quagmire again and again with more and more evidence that he is lying and was personally deeply involved with the cash payments to his players and recruits. But he is a nice guy, he gets great talent, he wins a lot, and he makes a ton of money for Arizona and the NCAA, and that's good for everyone at Arizona and for the NCAA. So his
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bosses at Arizona, and the NCAA officials just keep ignoring the mounting evidence and excusing Miller's cheating.
 
tornado said:
Things are really getting close to Arizona head coach Sean Miller...
today's FBI bribery case testimony included testimony via a recorded phone call that
stated head coach Sean Miller had agreed to pay and "possibly already was paying,
$10,000 a month for Deandre Ayton, the first pick in the 2018 NBA Draft."
There was also discussion of paying $10K to one of their other players Rawle Alkins.
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports....deandre-ayton/


and something that may affect BRADLEY - there was also discussion about paying Allonzo Trier (and others),
who played against Bradley when Brian Wardle and the Braves went there early in 2015-16 (11-16-2015)

If they did pay Trier, then he would be declared ineligible and Arizona would forfeit that game -
thus Brian Wardle's record in his first season could improve from 5-27 to 6-26 !!
And hey, who knows, by the time this is all over we may pick up a few more wins!
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They vacate the win, so no one won. They don't adjust Bradley's record.

Same thing with WSU/Louisville in the Final Four in 2013. Louisville vacated that win, but WSU doesn't get to claim it as a win or remove the loss. It's just a no win game.
 
Stickboy46 said:
They vacate the win, so no one won. They don't adjust Bradley's record.

Same thing with WSU/Louisville in the Final Four in 2013. Louisville vacated that win, but WSU doesn't get to claim it as a win or remove the loss. It's just a no win game.
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if the wins are "VACATED" then the opponents will not get an added win, I know that...
but there have been times that NCAA has ruled the games "FORFEITED" and then an additional win was added to the opponents' record.
I don't expect you to believe me, but if you want to see the list of games that were both forfeited and vacated, they are pretty accurately listed here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ege_basketball

as noted, there are many times that teams "GAINED FORFEITED WINS"...

also - you can search the official NCAA career stats site and see many teams that have wins added to their total with the notation
(as in the 1995 UCLA team) " [TABLE="align: center, border: 0, cellpadding: 0, cellspacing: 0"]
[TR="bgcolor: #EEEEEE"]
[TD="align: center"]32-1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"].970[/TD]
[TD]NCAA champ; Forfeit win: Cal[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
which indicates that UCLA picked up a win in a game that Cal beat them but Cal had to forfeit 15 wins that year.

The Wikipedia page for the 1994-95 UCLA team shows that game on 1/28/95 as a 100-93 loss at home to Cal, but that it became a WIN due to forfeit! So it does happen. So we can hope...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994%E...asketball_team
 
Da Coach said:
...schools .....willing to pay up to $200,000 to get Brian Bowen....
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the one player most associated with this FBI bribery case...is Brian Bowen...who took the money and was declared ineligible by NCAA
so he's been playing this past year in Australia to kill a year until now and he is eligible for the NBA draft...

BUT how high will he get drafted...he was considered a sure one-and-done and was projected to be a lottery pick a year or two ago...

but in a year playing in Australia (in a division that is roughly the strength as DI basketball - since a lot of touring DI teams take exhibition trips there and play pretty even with those Australian teams) - he averaged just 6 ppg and 2 rpg!! I think he has severely hurt his chances in the Draft...
 
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