Maybe underage drinking is just a Big Ten thing?

[tornado]

Or maybe he'd have found a friendlier environment at U of I?

"Purdue freshman Johnathan Uchendu was suspended following an arrest for public intoxication Friday"
"Uchendu was arrested at the corner of Northwestern and Chelsea Aves. at 3:39 a.m


He's 19 years old, arrested for public intoxication at 3:39 AM on Thusday morning, only a few hours before class, which generally means he was not only drunk but was causing a disturbance at that hour.
Will it be two weeks before the university looks into where he got the booze?

Here's head coach Matt Painter's statement:
"Johnathan made an error in judgment," said Painter in a statement released Friday evening. "All punishment will be internally, and we will work with him to get through this period. He will rejoin the team when we feel he is ready."

Hmmm...another error in judgement....did Painter ask Bruce Weber to write his statement?

http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=6136228&nav=0RYd
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/ncaa/02/24/bc.bkc.purdue.suspension.ap/
http://purdue.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=645644

Here's an interesting comment on the message boards by a guy who claims to be Jonathan's friend, who suggests the kid drinks at frat parties often.
http://purdue.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=52&mid=90180601&sid=892&tid=90180601&style=1

 

[Guinness]

This underage drinking crackdown is such an f-ing crock. If you're in college, you're old enough to make decisions for yourself. If you screw up(ie...drunk driving), well that sucks but you're old enough to control your behavior and deserve the consequences.

 

[chitownBUB]

But I think most parents of kids who are being sent to college and having their expenses paid by either the parents or the state would expect a bit more accountability of those in charge.

If the underage kids are drinking at a frat party then the frat shoud be more accountable for the behavior going on there.
If the kids are drinking and doing drugs, and causing mayhem by driving and publicly acting while drunk - then allowed right back on the team, the school fosters this setting by coddling these kids and not supervising them and properly punishing them.
As was noted elsewhere, the scholarship athletes sign an agreement when they receive their scholarship, and they agree to terms in writing, that they will abstain from this stuff and that they will be punished and accept the punishment if they are guilty/
Ray Brown is getting punished hard, and so did Mike Suggs, and so do a rare few college jocks who commit these violations, but most are welcomed back by coaches like Ritchie McKay, Bruce Pearl, and the guys who let Pierre Pierce back, just because they want the scoring rather than stick to the discipline.
It is an ever recurring story.
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[georgethedog]

This underage drinking crackdown is such an f-ing crock. If you're in college, you're old enough to make decisions for yourself. If you screw up(ie...drunk driving), well that sucks but you're old enough to control your behavior and deserve the consequences.

Your statement would then prove that college students who choose to drink and drive are really not "old enough" to make decisions for themselves. Think about it...

 

[tornado]

Here's one that I guess I hadn't heard, but it is also another BIG TEN kid...
the captain of the Michigan basketball team, Lester Abrams, was handcuffed and arrested after being caught speeding, driving on a suspended license, and being a fugitive from a prior warrant.
Then when the Michigan captain was asked about it by the press, he lied, said it didn't happen and that his license was not suspended.
A check of the public records proved indeed it is suspended for the 4th time in the past 2 years.

http://www.mlive.com/sports/aanews/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1172303551132380.xml&coll=2

Nevertheless, Abram started the next Michigan game two days later.
He also started the game that is going on right now at Minnesota, and has played most of the game and obviously hasn't received even a tiny bit of punishment from the coach.

Is there anyone left out there who actually believes in discipline?

 

[collegehoopjunkie]

Actually, all these drunk players and DUI's are kids recruited by the coaching staff of SIU even after they left to coach elsewhere.
Tatum, and all the SIU thugs, the Illini lushes, and now this kid at PU - all recruited by Weber and Painter.
So that's the common thread, it goes beyond the Big Ten.

 

[Guinness]

This underage drinking crackdown is such an f-ing crock. If you're in college, you're old enough to make decisions for yourself. If you screw up(ie...drunk driving), well that sucks but you're old enough to control your behavior and deserve the consequences.

Your statement would then prove that college students who choose to drink and drive are really not "old enough" to make decisions for themselves. Think about it...

One dumb person will always mess it up for everyone else. Just because that individual is a moron doesn't mean we have to impose rules on everyone else. And no matter what group, there will always be the one thats a dumb person and ruins things for others.

 

[MacabreMob]

This underage drinking crackdown is such an f-ing crock. If you're in college, you're old enough to make decisions for yourself. If you screw up(ie...drunk driving), well that sucks but you're old enough to control your behavior and deserve the consequences.

Your statement would then prove that college students who choose to drink and drive are really not "old enough" to make decisions for themselves. Think about it...

One dumb person will always mess it up for everyone else. Just because that individual is a moron doesn't mean we have to impose rules on everyone else. And no matter what group, there will always be the one thats a dumb person and ruins things for others.

G - can we turn your comments to the Chief getting 86'd? Let's see...

One dumb person will always mess it up for everyone else.

If 1 person is offended by the Chief - we must force change on everyone else.

Just because the individual is a moron doesn't mean we have to impose rules on everyone else.

Legislators think if there is at least 1 moron, they must impose rules for everyone.

 

[bert notorius]

Good thing for Painter Uchendu isn't an impact player or he might have had to call Weber about how to cover it up...

 

[georgethedog]

This underage drinking crackdown is such an f-ing crock. If you're in college, you're old enough to make decisions for yourself. If you screw up(ie...drunk driving), well that sucks but you're old enough to control your behavior and deserve the consequences.

Your statement would then prove that college students who choose to drink and drive are really not "old enough" to make decisions for themselves. Think about it...

One dumb person will always mess it up for everyone else. Just because that individual is a moron doesn't mean we have to impose rules on everyone else. And no matter what group, there will always be the one thats a dumb person and ruins things for others.

I take your comments to mean that there has only ever been one dumb person that has gotten drunk and been in a accident. Well, then I must agree with your comments in that case. :roll:

 

[Guinness]

Well I guess we should prosecute everyone for every rule they break. Stricter speeding limits please! 1 over? TICKET!

 

[georgethedog]

Well I guess we should prosecute everyone for every rule they break. Stricter speeding limits please! 1 over? TICKET!

Your statement is out of context, scope and scale. It is one that someone who really has no basis for a sound argument would make. I'm done with this thread. :wink:

 

[tornado]

Re: Maybe underage drinking is just a Big Ten thing?

Or maybe he'd have found a friendlier environment at U of I?

"Purdue freshman Johnathan Uchendu was suspended following an arrest for public intoxication Friday"
"Uchendu was arrested at the corner of Northwestern and Chelsea Aves. at 3:39 a.m


He's 19 years old, arrested for public intoxication at 3:39 AM on Thusday morning, only a few hours before class, which generally means he was not only drunk but was causing a disturbance at that hour.
Will it be two weeks before the university looks into where he got the booze?

Here's head coach Matt Painter's statement:
"Johnathan made an error in judgment," said Painter in a statement released Friday evening. "All punishment will be internally, and we will work with him to get through this period. He will rejoin the team when we feel he is ready."

Hmmm...another error in judgement....did Painter ask Bruce Weber to write his statement?

http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=6136228&nav=0RYd
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/ncaa/02/24/bc.bkc.purdue.suspension.ap/
http://purdue.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=645644

Here's an interesting comment on the message boards by a guy who claims to be Jonathan's friend, who suggests the kid drinks at frat parties often.
http://purdue.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=52&mid=90180601&sid=892&tid=90180601&style=1

No big deal....just an innocent thing, you know....an 18 year old on a basketball scholarship getting drunk and causing a public disturbance..
So why not just let him back on the team, we might just need him in the Big Ten Tournament.
Presto-- done.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6535594?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=99

 

[MacabreMob]

Re: Maybe underage drinking is just a Big Ten thing?

No big deal....just an innocent thing, you know....an 18 year old on a basketball scholarship getting drunk and causing a public disturbance..
So why not just let him back on the team, we might just need him in the Big Ten Tournament.
Presto-- done.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6535594?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=99

Does this set a precedence for Weber?

:twisted:

 

[jabbarbattler]

Re: Maybe underage drinking is just a Big Ten thing?

No big deal....just an innocent thing, you know....an 18 year old on a basketball scholarship getting drunk and causing a public disturbance..
So why not just let him back on the team, we might just need him in the Big Ten Tournament.
Presto-- done.

I check this site out often and really enjoy all you guys have to say, so I hate to come out of nowhere and argue like this. But come on, have any of you attended college in the last ten years? A 19 year old being drunk at school is a mortal sin now? Get off your Big Ten bashing high horse...

And comparing this to the Chief is just ridiculous.

 

[Braves4Life]

Re: Maybe underage drinking is just a Big Ten thing?

No big deal....just an innocent thing, you know....an 18 year old on a basketball scholarship getting drunk and causing a public disturbance..
So why not just let him back on the team, we might just need him in the Big Ten Tournament.
Presto-- done.

I check this site out often and really enjoy all you guys have to say, so I hate to come out of nowhere and argue like this. But come on, have any of you attended college in the last ten years? A 19 year old being drunk at school is a mortal sin now? Get off your Big Ten bashing high horse...

And comparing this to the Chief is just ridiculous.

Very well said Jabbarbattler!

However, because basketball players are seen more as public figures compared to the average college student, and seen somewhat as role models by the youth in their community, they must be held to a higher standard. They know this and their coaches know this and, thus, are held to this higher standard. In addition, when the school gives you a free ride you have a responsibility to uphold your end of the deal and not embarrass your school. (Ray Brown knows this all too well)

I'm not saying this is fair. But, it is what it is and these kids know this. If you are a player you must learn to accept both the praise and the criticism.

 

[MacabreMob]

Re: Maybe underage drinking is just a Big Ten thing?

No big deal....just an innocent thing, you know....an 18 year old on a basketball scholarship getting drunk and causing a public disturbance..
So why not just let him back on the team, we might just need him in the Big Ten Tournament.
Presto-- done.

I check this site out often and really enjoy all you guys have to say, so I hate to come out of nowhere and argue like this. But come on, have any of you attended college in the last ten years? A 19 year old being drunk at school is a mortal sin now? Get off your Big Ten bashing high horse...

And comparing this to the Chief is just ridiculous.

WHOOOooooHHOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

The B10 IS the high horse.

Hahaha. :lol:

 

[tornado]

Re: Maybe underage drinking is just a Big Ten thing?

I check this site out often and really enjoy all you guys have to say, so I hate to come out of nowhere and argue like this. But come on, have any of you attended college in the last ten years? A 19 year old being drunk at school is a mortal sin now? Get off your Big Ten bashing high horse...

And comparing this to the Chief is just ridiculous.

Jabbar, I honor your point of view...and let me clarify mine.

I am not slamming on the kid, because I know kids at college do this.
And he's certainly entitled to do it if he wants, except.....

All colleges have agreements that the players sign when they receive a scholarship, and all those agreement include a drug and alcohol policy.

Remember, the kid and his family agree to this policy.

Then no sooner do these kids violate the policy, then the coaches forgive them and put them back on the team within a wekk or less, generally.

BUT-- every once in a while...when the kid is a bit player or not a star, then the coach uses the violation to boot the kid.
You want the links, I have 'em
Here Pearl BOOTED Hendrix but only after he violated team policy 3 times.
http://www.bradleyfans.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1103

But when a kid has talent, like Wingate, Pearl let him back on the team after three violations of the same policy!
http://www.bradleyfans.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=21092#21092

Here are just a couple representative university drug/alcohol contracts:
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cach...cy"+and+"university"&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us
http://www.umsl.edu/services/athletics/student_athletes/handbook/drug_policy.htm

Note this from Michigan State:
"Should a student-athlete be suspected of consuming alcohol ...If the test is positive, .02 or greater, the student-athlete will be withheld from practice or competition and referred to his/her team physician and a substance abuse counselor for assessment. "

"If there is a reasonable suspicion that a student-athlete is using alcohol ...the student-athlete may be referred to his/her team physician for medical evaluation and/or testing.
...... Should the team physician determine that reasonable suspicion exists, the student-athlete will be required to provide a specimen sample for testing. ...

(failure)......he/she will be suspended from the intercollegiate athletics program until the student-athlete has complied with the plan."



Jabbar--- I am only speaking as a citizen and a taxpayer asking why everyone seems to be protecting Jamar, giving conflicting stories, and nobody has looked into the obvious fact that several of the Illinois players were at a Monday night (very late) party drinking heavily with underage players.

Those other players who violated the team rules and even violated state laws regarding underage drinking and supplying liquor, and being given a free pas son this one.

Something stinks...and the PJ Star staff demanded full disclosure when Bradley had an issue with an overpayment from a summer job, and when they thought there was a secret agenday on campus expansion, so why are they now demanding we forgive, forget, stop asking questions, get on with things, and leave the whole issue alone?

And all this from a guy who's an admitted big fan of the Illini and who posts on the Illini fan board ?

 

[jabbarbattler]

I understand what you're getting at. I was only referring to that Purdue kid. I just threw that Big Ten thing in there because it seems like many posters on here are quicker to jump on BCS conferences for any transgressions. I know that the Illinois situation looks bad and I wouldn't want to defend what's going on there.

I'm just saying to look at the reality of the situation. This kid is a person first, a student second and an athlete third. A majority of underage college kids drink. I have hung out with MANY Bradley athletes while they were drinking underage. Any agreement that they signed was the furthest thing from their minds. I understand playing basketball at Purdue is different than playing a relatively minor sport at Bradley, but it's still the same idea.

Maybe it was a bad move by Painter to let him back on, but that doesn't seem to be any reason to villify the program. There are plenty of other legitimate things to complain about in the NCAA, this just doesn't seem very significant to me.