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Time to Demand to Know????

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Kroos

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Isn’t it time to demand some information about Childs, Kingsby, and Nolan? They are not even in street clothes at the game- not there at all again today.
FANS DESERVE TO KNOW!!!!
 
I like you people who think you have a need to know. I had a Top Secret clearance in the Navy. That didn't mean every top secret message that came in my area, I Had A Need To Know. When it's time for you to know, we'll all know.
 
elmerb said:
I like you people who think you have a need to know. I had a Top Secret clearance in the Navy. That didn't mean every top secret message that came in my area, I Had A Need To Know. When it's time for you to know, we'll all know.
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Well, considering I am talking about a basketball team and not the security of the Free World, your entire point is moot.
 
It is no longer in the control of the Bradley coaches. It is now being handled by the administration and the BU lawyers.
I am not expecting to hear much more unless there are charges, which there may not be. If there are charges, it should become public record.
 
It’s been out of BW’s hands from the day it happened and he had no freedom to talk about it at all. Get on with your life!
 
There are programs that would be a lot more open and transparent about incidents like this, but the Bradley administration has chosen to handle it with a high degree of secrecy. There are facts that are known, and there are major decisions that have already been made, yet Bradley fans aren't entitled to know what their donations and support are paying for. As usual, this kind of secrecy leads to unsubstantiated rumors that probably do more harm. Unlike medical issues, I am not aware of any legal entitlement to privacy or secrecy here. I think it's a choice that will have negative effects in the long run.
 
I know this will be hard for you to believe but your wrong Da Coach. The lack of information is not a choice made by BU. It doesn’t matter how much you’ve donated to BU or how many tickets you’ve purchased over the years, BU has zero choice in this matter. They are doing exactly what the authorities have ask them to do. Now this is where you usually explain why you can’t be wrong. Have at it!
 
I probably have the same info you have, and I agree that the coaches are constrained in what they are allowed to say, but it's a choice by the Bradley administration and the lawyers. It differs dramatically from the way Bradley has handled previous similar legal and disciplinary incidents, and the way many universities handle such incidents.
When players got into trouble at Big Al's under Geno Ford, all the information about those events was known immediately, even before it made the newspaper or was reported by police, because the coaches and administration at that time handled it differently.
When there were player incidents under Jim Les, those were usually public knowledge immediately- recall the Taylor Brown incident with another student that was not even a police matter, or his unacceptable tweet about a teacher. They could have easily been handled privately, but the administration leaked info to their friends at the PJ Star because they preferred the info become public to embarrass the coach.
Same with the Daniel Ruffin incident in 2008, and the lowly speeding ticket by Theron Wilson that involved a him and a passenger getting a zero tolerance citation. Again, that was played up into a big deal by Joanne Glasser, and lead to her running Ken Kavanagh out of town. Or recall the Will Egolf incident, also under Geno Ford that played out quite publicly.
And there were other incidents which I will not list. Maybe you weren't around for all those prior events, but they were all handled starkly differently by previous administrations.
 
I hate to bust your bubble but you are wrong about who’s making the decisions about what can be said and not said. Every prior event you mentioned to try and make your case has no parallel to this situation. I have no idea why you would want to take such a devastating situation for Bradley and these three young men who have had their entire world turned upside down and make it about what you are owed. And yes I was around for all the events you mentioned, but I think you knew that.
 
I am not the one asking for more info now, just explaining why people are upset. I have heard from plenty of them. Yes, this is a bad situation for the players, but it is.due to the choices they made. This is not about me or anyone else. The examples I gave are to demonstrate that there are many ways to handle situations like this. I am not judging what is the right way, but maybe you can someday understand that that there will be fallout.
 
You mean there’s a chance that someday I can come to your level of understanding about the fallout? I look forward to such an enlightening. Again the situations you have used are not close to what’s going on in this situation. I agree that situations in the past have been communicated differently but you know those situations are not close to the depth of this event. With your level of understanding, you must know this. And yes I understand these YOUNG MEN made some horrible decisions here but I choose to pray for them and hope they come out of this stronger and wiser. My tendency is to not discard young men like trash for making a poor decision, but that’s just me. I also tend to believe the authorities and experts handing a given situation are doing what is legally required and in the best interest of all involved, but that’s just me. I’m done posting here, I’m going to focus on my ability to understand instead.
 
I don't expect you to agree with me, just don't dismiss other informed opinions because you don't agree. Again, I have heard from at least a dozen people who are angry and don't intend to renew their season tickets. I'm sure there are others. I would hope this is something that is taken seriously and not denigrate those people. The last time I predicted fallout was when there was a coaching change in 2011. I believe you disagreed and were in favor of the changes then. Everything I predicted came true- drop in attendance that would never recover, record losing, drops in donations, revenues, etc, years to get back to where we were, and more. I was even mocked for predicting Jim Les would win championships before Bradley did again, but I was right. :)

I don't want to see Bradley basketball harmed like it was before. That's my only concern. I hope you and people at BU are willing to accept that some of the same fallout could happen again. I am not trying to tell Bradley how to handle things, but they can't completely dismiss fans and treat them like they have no right to have concerns or ask questions.
 
lb071964 said:
I choose to pray for them and hope they come out of this stronger and wiser. My tendency is to not discard young men like trash for making a poor decision
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I think that's great. Maybe try showing the same understanding and grace toward people with opinions that differ from yours, as well?

If you go back and look at your exchange, one person handled themselves like an adult and another did not. I'll let you decide which one was which.
 
lb071964 is a passionate and dedicated fan, and we certainly need all of those we can get. We just differ on how things are being handled now. And again, to be clear, it is not the coaching staff that is making the decisions, it is administration. I am most concerned about the impact this situation is having on the Bradley program into the future. IMO, we are seeing some of the same PR mistakes the administration a decade made by dismissing fans' concerns and alienating a segment of the fans. Bradley took 6-7 years to recover and get back to success and 20-win seasons. That was a long and painful period for fans, and we saw almost half of the attendance and season ticket sales disappear, as well as significant drops in membership in Braves Club and BSS membership, which has still has not recovered and maybe never will.
I do have much greater confidence in the people running the program than I did a decade ago, and I hope we can recover better than we did then.
 
Seems like I may be the only one posting on this thread that doesn't know what happened! :p

Since I stopped buying BU MBB tickets and don't donate anymore after retiring, I'm not entitled to.....

I better start working out and losing weight if I want to be alive when BU finally wins a MVC Regular Season Championship! :lol:
 
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