Arch Madness bracket and schedule

[Tommy]

Exactly a private company on private property. They can ask you to do whatever. In there mind you don't have to go if you don't like it. It's not a problem however if you are vaccinated I don't believe you have to test before right?

Therein lies the problem, they have no right to that information or to even ask for it. And if you don't agree with that, then I would ask how is it not discrimination against the unvaccinated to force them to provide something the vaccinated don't? Last I heard, being vaccinated doesn't prevent someone from catching or passing on COVID.

Either way, the 4th amendment still exists, and we have a certain right to privacy. If it doesn't extend to this, I don't know what the heck it applies to then. If they can do this, what can't they demand? Make us wear hijabs? Test us for STD's? Shave our heads? Is there anything not allowed by our constitution or can private companies do whatever they want with no regard?

 

[Cousins Cuts podcast]

Therein lies the problem, they have no right to that information or to even ask for it. And if you don't agree with that, then I would ask how is it not discrimination against the unvaccinated to force them to provide something the vaccinated don't? Last I heard, being vaccinated doesn't prevent someone from catching or passing on COVID.

Either way, the 4th amendment still exists, and we have a certain right to privacy. If it doesn't extend to this, I don't know what the heck it applies to then. If they can do this, what can't they demand? Make us wear hijabs? Test us for STD's? Shave our heads? Is there anything not allowed by our constitution or can private companies do whatever they want with no regard?

I don't know this for fact but yes they could ask you to do anything. It's their loss if they ask ridiculous things of people like what you mentioned and they don't come because of it. You don't have to test or get vaccinated. You can keep that private all you want. But they can require anything they want as well.

 

[Braves2006]

There’s a group of 5 of us that will not be attending due to the extreme Covid policies they are enforcing. It’s a shame. I’m not happy. But hopefully next year will be different. I suspect the attendance will be down for this tournament. I know it won’t be as many there as could be.

 

[Tommy]

There’s a group of 5 of us that will not be attending due to the extreme Covid policies they are enforcing. It’s a shame. I’m not happy. But hopefully next year will be different. I suspect the attendance will be down for this tournament. I know it won’t be as many there as could be.

Totally understand. If they are still doing this next year, I’ll be out as well.

 

[Cousins Cuts podcast]

There’s a group of 5 of us that will not be attending due to the extreme Covid policies they are enforcing. It’s a shame. I’m not happy. But hopefully next year will be different. I suspect the attendance will be down for this tournament. I know it won’t be as many there as could be.

I don't know what's so extreme about taking 1 COVID test. They didn't ask for one every day. I'm sure there will still be plenty of Bradley fans there. If not I'll have to be louder to make up for it.

 

[Da Coach]

I don't know what's so extreme about taking 1 COVID test. They didn't ask for one every day. I'm sure there will still be plenty of Bradley fans there. If not I'll have to be louder to make up for it.

It could be extreme if a person doesn't have insurance to cover the cost of the Covid test.

The Enterprise Center policy is either proof of vaccination or:

• A printed or digital negative COVID-19 PCR or rapid test administered by a healthcare professional with 72 hours to a guest’s given event that includes the guest’s name and date the last test was administered.

That means a home test ($29-$39 per home test kit) will not be accepted, and the test must be administered by a healthcare professional. People in my family who have visited a medical clinic and had a Covid test done have paid $100 for the test, plus another $100-$200 for the clinic visit. Insurance covered it for us, but not everyone has insurance, and some that do are still on the hook for co-pays or deductibles.
The pharmacies say they offer "Free Covid testing", but the tests are not really free. They are free to the patient only if they have insurance or Medicare which will cover it. But if you don't have good insurance, or if you have not already met your deductible, it could still set you back $40-$50 or more.
And there are occasional false negatives and false positives with any of these tests, which could end up causing someone to be denied entry to an event, or to have to get another test to confirm or rule out.
We are now dealing with a variant (Omicron) that is about as dangerous as the common cold, and is disappearing rapidly anyway. The majority of states, local authorities, and venues have now cut back on their their mask and vaccine restrictions, and many never had requirements as strict as the Enterprise Center. (example: has anyone been asked for proof of vaccination or Covid test at the Peoria Civic Center?).
The main reason they still have such restrictions is because the powers in St. Louis are reluctant to back off wielding their authority over the public.
And without stretching my opinions out too much more, the "science" has never shown that such restrictions did much good anyway. We know that even vaccinated people are capable of spreading Covid, and in many places, more new cases are in vaccinated people than in unvaccinated people.
And we know that states and localities that had little or no restrictions did not have any worse Covid problems than those that had more draconian restrictions.

Most reported U.S. Omicron cases have hit the fully vaccinated -CDC
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mos...dc-2021-12-10/

The CDC has much more data about the ineffectiveness of vaccines, and how they have failed to slow the spread, but refuses to release it because by their own admission, they are afraid the "stupid public" will misinterpret it and get the impression that the vaccine isn't as effective as they have been telling us all along (which it isn't).
So, yes, I would call their Covid policy extreme.

By the way, if anyone is planning on attending the Women's MVC Tournament the following weekend in the Tax Slayer Center in Moline, they have not had any mask, distancing, or vaccination requirements since they reopened to spectators last June-
https://www.wqad.com/article/news/lo...1-26d30721a283

 

[Dub]

To Cousins’ point, it’s likely legal for a private company to require this. To Tommy’s point, it is intrusive and preposterous. To coach’s point, it’s ineffective.

For people who feel strongly about Bradley hoops, vaccine autonomy, and medical privacy the problem becomes this:

The only way to make your opinion truly heard is to boycott Arch Madness and deprive yourself of your favorite thing in life. And so regardless of the decision you make, you’ve been forced to compromise on something you’re passionate about.

It’s a terrible position they have put people in.
I’m really sorry this is still plaguing our society.

 

[Braves2006]

I don't know what's so extreme about taking 1 COVID test. They didn't ask for one every day. I'm sure there will still be plenty of Bradley fans there. If not I'll have to be louder to make up for it.

Take a test… wear your your mask… show your card…. Perhaps not extreme for someone who will do anything anybody tells them to. This is why these “mandates” exist and will never go away. I’m not paying good money to be controlled and told what to do to watch a basketball game. I’m not going to encourage such behavior. But to each his own.

 

[BravesWinINStyle]

People who purchased all session tickets through Bradley will be sent them via the e-mail address they have on file with the ticket office by 8:00 PM Monday. People must have a registered Enterprise Center Ticketmaster account with that e-mail on file. You'll be prompted to do so if you don't have one. Once you're registered you'll be able to access your tickets via the GO Braves App or the Arch Madness App.

They still haven’t delivered mine.

 

[houstonbrave]

Just talked to the ticket office and they said they would be loading the tickets this morning.

 

[Mikovio]

I think the mandate is silly but I think the protesting can be equally silly. Studies are finding that people who get vaccinated are far more likely to avoid Covid hospitalization. If anybody doesn’t want to get vaccinated and risk getting it and spending a weekend in lovely Unitypoint that’s their decision. These mandates made sense earlier on when it was more deadly and we didn’t have any data. They’re just being too cautious to roll it back.

 

[Canton BU fan]

I don't know what's so extreme about taking 1 COVID test. They didn't ask for one every day. I'm sure there will still be plenty of Bradley fans there. If not I'll have to be louder to make up for it.

Here's an example made you'd understand...what if they didn't provide handicap access? Oh, we have laws for that you say? We also have medical privacy laws but in this case that laws are being broken.

 

[Mikovio]

HIPAA laws aren’t being broken. That just prevents medical providers from releasing info. Enterprise isn’t a hospital.

 

[Cousins Cuts podcast]

Here's an example made you'd understand...what if they didn't provide handicap access? Oh, we have laws for that you say? We also have medical privacy laws but in this case that laws are being broken.

There's no law against requiring these things. You don't have to tell them anything. If you don't like it, don't go. I won't enjoy it any less. No amount of protesting from Bradley fans will change their governor or whoever made the restrictions mind.

 

[Canton BU fan]

There's no law against requiring these things. You don't have to tell them anything. If you don't like it, don't go. I won't enjoy it any less. No amount of protesting from Bradley fans will change their governor or whoever made the restrictions mind.

You ignored what I said. Also, going along to get along never got anyone anywhere. Only more restrictions.

 

[Tommy]

I enjoy a good debate. Let me throw this one out there:
Black people must provide a negative COVID test, but white people don’t. Would that be allowed or does that break discrimination laws? Forgetting the 4th amendment right now.
How is that different than this current policy when vaccinated and unvaccinated can both spread and catch COVID?

Would love to hear a counter argument to this question.

 

[LongTimeFan]

DC, a daughter of a friend had a miscarriage due to the Omicron. I wonder if we would still have polio with this attitude?

 

[BUfan17]

I think the mandate is silly but I think the protesting can be equally silly. Studies are finding that people who get vaccinated are far more likely to avoid Covid hospitalization. If anybody doesn’t want to get vaccinated and risk getting it and spending a weekend in lovely Unitypoint that’s their decision. These mandates made sense earlier on when it was more deadly and we didn’t have any data. They’re just being too cautious to roll it back.

I completely agree.

 

[LongTimeFan]

That daughter had the miscarriage in the last two weeks.

 

[Da Coach]

DC, a daughter of a friend had a miscarriage due to the Omicron. I wonder if we would still have polio with this attitude?

I am not sure how your story relates to the current issue. I am not arguing against vaccines. I am arguing against mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and proof of vaccine/vaccine passports to participate in social activities.

I am as strong a proponent of vaccines as there is. Polio has been nearly eradicated from the world because of vaccinations, and a number of other serious diseases have as well. Smallpox is estimated to have killed 500 million in just the 100 years before it was eradicated in 1977. And even the common childhood diseases use to kill thousands in this country, and now are rarely seen because of vaccines.
And the Covid vaccine has saved many lives. That is not in dispute. But it certainly has not stopped the spread of Covid, nor has masks and mask mandates.
I stated my case above. The current state of the Omicron phase is declining sharply, and the disease is mild with extremely rare deaths or serious complications. In addition, there is simply no evidence that mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and lockdowns have made any significant difference. There are states and countries that have never instituted any mandates or lockdowns, and their case numbers and death numbers are not significantly higher than comparable states and countries that have.
On the other hand there are real down sides. Suicides, opioid deaths, and other health issues related to masking, lockdowns and vaccines are reaching record highs, and killing hundreds of thousands of young people.
Are you in favor of continuing these extreme restrictions forever? Because there will always be viruses capable of causing illness, miscarriages, and death.
And as I said, there is now as much or more Covid spread by vaccinated people than by the unvaccinated. So pretending you are protecting the public by checking a vaccine card is not based on science, and has never shown scientifically that it has slowed or stopped the spread.
Why have over 90% of states and localities now lifted all restrictions? But St. Louis hasn't. I believe it is now more political than based on any science. Even the CDC has now recommended dropping the restrictions. But not St. Louis.
Sick people still need to be isolated or "quarantined", which is the way quarantines have always worked, not by isolating healthy people. But we have seen perfectly healthy people punished with restrictions that have never been proven to do any good.