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Don Nelson to return for one more season

Da Coach said:
In June of 2006 there were many NBA experts who thought he was ready and had the potential to be a very good NBA player. Even the executives who ran the Golden State Warriors believed that, and if they hadn't picked POB at #9 he would have been taken within the next 4 or 5 picks, probably by Seatle at #10 or New Orleans at #12.

It's easy for us to say he wasn't ready, based on his lack of production the last 2 years. But if given the right chances, I believe he could be well on his way to developing into a good NBA center. There is no question that the coaching style of Don Nelson has hurt POB's development. With the right team, he will get a real chance.

I am not worried about his financial future. He will get a nice contract somewhere this summer, and be playing pro ball for many years.
The going rate for backup NBA centers has been as much as $5 million a year. Remember the free agent centers from 2006--
Journeyman Joel Przybilla signed a $32 million, 5 year contract in 2006 with Portland.
Seldom-used backup center Nazr Mohammed signed with the Pistons in 2006 for 5 years at $5 million a year. He was traded for Primoz Brezec and Walter Herrmann in Dec., 2007 to the Charlotte Bobcats.
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I'm not sure of where POB would of bene picked if GS hadn't taken him when they did. You probaby know more about that than I. As for Don Nelson and his coaching style, I'm not sure where you are coming from. I'm sure Don has coached meny good young players through out his career. The centers Don is playing in front of Pat are not really setting NBA records. All I know is if you are picked in the top 10 or for that matter the 1st round, you are asspected to contribute if not so much in your 1st yr. but from there foreward. And most the time are given every chance by the coach if not by the owners.
As for POB financial and career future I wise him the best of luck where ever it may take him!
 
Out of Bounce said:
I'm not sure of where POB would of bene picked if GS hadn't taken him when they did. You probaby know more about that than I. As for Don Nelson and his coaching style, I'm not sure where you are coming from. I'm sure Don has coached meny good young players through out his career. The centers Don is playing in front of Pat are not really setting NBA records. All I know is if you are picked in the top 10 or for that matter the 1st round, you are asspected to contribute if not so much in your 1st yr. but from there foreward. And most the time are given every chance by the coach if not by the owners.
As for POB financial and career future I wise him the best of luck where ever it may take him!
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Splejjjing is fun!

POB doesn't fit into Nelson's style as he has a track record of not playing (or developing) young players. He plays small like-ups and likes to run. Those are not two features of POBs game. Maybe you haven't ever seen Biedrins or Harrington play. They are both far better than POB at this stage. That team was trying to make the playoffs again instead of developing players.

NBA players, unlike NFL players, typically make far more money on their second contract. I don't think POB is in line for any Przybilla money. POB averages less than 1/2 the points of Przybilla. A lot of GMs were high on him as he looked to be improving up through the 05-06 season. He regressed significantly in the past couple seasons. I think POB would be very lucky to get Przybilla's second contract of $3.35 mil for 2 years.

You can't blame POB for taking money since someone was stupid enough to give it to him, but it appears to be a gamble that isn't working out well.
 
One can only blame GS for drafting POB and that is not saying POB was not any good. My point is a team like GS (and so many other teams do the same thing) was looking for a head coach. The draft came along and they drafted POB, then went out and hired Nelson who has a reputation fort not playing 1st or 2nd year players and also not playing a true center. This has never been a part of Nellie's style of play. This makes POB's problems GS's problem and no one else can really be blamed, except possibly POB as he may not have really worked that hard. If a team drafts a player then you need to have a coach in place that will work w/ that person so they will develop or you shoul not have drafted him to begin w/.
Will POB play next year in the NBA? Only time will tell but I wouldn't be overly surprised to see him play a year or 2 overseas.
 
Lakeview Brave said:
Old by very relevent article.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E07E3D7113FF930A15755C0A9649C8B63
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This was a great article, with alot of merit because of some of the people being quoted. The one quote really hit me was by Babcock (below).
Pete Babcock, the Atlanta Hawks' general manager, added: ''In a sense, our league is becoming a developmental league. If you're drafting in the top 15 now, you're getting players that have tremendous potential. But you're drafting for upside, for the long haul. It complicates matters.''
Now, as you say this article is old (June 23, 2002) POB was drafted in 2006, so 4 yrs. between and 6 as today. Things change! He talked about becoming a developmental league and getting players that have tremendous potential.
This yr.s draft will have a number of kids leaving school early for the NBA draft. Some are Beasley, Rose, Mayo, Gordon and more. Most of these will be top 10 or 1st rounders. Now to me all these players already have tremendous playing skills and potential today, They will be drafted by teams and receive hugh amounts of money. None will be drafted with the intent to be sent to the development league to learn their way to the big league. I think for the most part I think the owners want a return on their money next yr. and the players will be aspected to earn their money now rather than later. POB for a 9th pick in the first round had avg. skills and the word "tremendous" could not be used with his potential. He was a 7'er and that counts for a lot, that yr. more than others.
I will stay with what I said in my first post that POB was not ready for the NBA! He made great improvement from his 1st yr. to his 2nd. more than anyother player I have seen. One more yr. with R. Wright and JL may have made things easier for the guy in the NBA.
I also said, I would of taken the money just like him!! I'm NO HANSGROVE!!
 
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Out of Bounce said:
This was a great article, with alot of merit because of some of the people being quoted. The one quote really hit me was by Babcock (below).
Pete Babcock, the Atlanta Hawks' general manager, added: ''In a sense, our league is becoming a developmental league. If you're drafting in the top 15 now, you're getting players that have tremendous potential. But you're drafting for upside, for the long haul. It complicates matters.''
Now, as you say this article is old (June 23, 2002) POB was drafted in 2006, so 4 yrs. between and 6 as today. Things change! He talked about becoming a developmental league and getting players that have tremendous potential.
This yr.s draft will have a number of kids leaving school early for the NBA draft. Some are Beasley, Rose, Mayo, Gordon and more. Most of these will be top 10 or 1st rounders. Now to me all these players already have tremendous playing skills and potential today, They will be drafted by teams and receive hugh amounts of money. None will be drafted with the intent to be sent to the development league to learn their way to the big league. I think for the most part I think the owners want a return on their money next yr. and the players will be aspected to earn their money now rather than later. POB for a 9th round pick had avg. skills and the word "tremendous" could not be used with his potential. He was a 7'er and that counts for a lot, that yr. more than others.
I will stay with what I said in my first post that POB was not ready for the NBA! He made great improvement from his 1st yr. to his 2nd. more than anyother player I have seen. One more yr. with L. Wright and JL may have made things easier for the guy in the NBA.
I also said, I would of taken the money just like him!! I'm NO HANSGROVE!!
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Please read your posts man. That hurt my brain.

POB was a #9 pick in the 1st round. Wright graduated when POB left so he wouldn't have another year with him (would have another year with Ruff and DC).

That NYtimes article was very good. I'm not sure how relevant it is not because of the age limit. "Potential" and "upside" are still terms that are thrown around too often (as well as comparing players "intangibles") when evaluating draft picks IMO. Some GMs have stayed away from drafting for potential and have done pretty well. The age limit knocked out the HS kids and gave GMs another year to evaluate them, and Europe seems pretty tapped out. I think that GMs are gun-shy after missing on players like Darko.
 
TRIMAN said:
Please read your posts man. That hurt my brain.

POB was a #9 pick in the 1st round. Wright graduated when POB left so he wouldn't have another year with him (would have another year with Ruff and DC).

That NYtimes article was very good. I'm not sure how relevant it is not because of the age limit. "Potential" and "upside" are still terms that are thrown around too often (as well as comparing players "intangibles") when evaluating draft picks IMO. Some GMs have stayed away from drafting for potential and have done pretty well. The age limit knocked out the HS kids and gave GMs another year to evaluate them, and Europe seems pretty tapped out. I think that GMs are gun-shy after missing on players like Darko.
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I think he ment Ronnie Wright not Boogie. Either way I have heard many NBA players who left early say that playing in the NBA even in practice is much better than staying in college to improve your game. That combined with the money made POBs choice easy and the right one for him.
 
TRIMAN said:
Please read your posts man. That hurt my brain.

POB was a #9 pick in the 1st round. Wright graduated when POB left so he wouldn't have another year with him (would have another year with Ruff and DC).

That NYtimes article was very good. I'm not sure how relevant it is not because of the age limit. "Potential" and "upside" are still terms that are thrown around too often (as well as comparing players "intangibles") when evaluating draft picks IMO. Some GMs have stayed away from drafting for potential and have done pretty well. The age limit knocked out the HS kids and gave GMs another year to evaluate them, and Europe seems pretty tapped out. I think that GMs are gun-shy after missing on players like Darko.
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Sorry for my mistakes! They were hard ones to figure out. But thank you so much for refreshing my mind about Wright ( he is that guy who played for the Harlem G's. for 1 yr. and is now playing ball over sea's). I think your brain was hurting way before you read my mistakes, maybe it's what you are smoking! Just Joking!! Any way I went back and corrected my type-o errors.
But thanks for the rest of your post, you brought out some good takes and I do agree that times have changed and GMs are gun-shy. After all there is a lot of money at stake!
 
Lakeview Brave said:
I think he ment Ronnie Wright not Boogie. Either way I have heard many NBA players who left early say that playing in the NBA even in practice is much better than staying in college to improve your game. That combined with the money made POBs choice easy and the right one for him.
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Thanks for helping Triman figure out things! My mistakes,been a long day on this end.
I agree it was a very easy choice for POB or anyone for that matter.
Take the Money and Run!
 
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Come on now. 29 years and no championships? With more losing and and mediocre seasons than strong ones? The only reason he is second on the all time wins list is because he's lasted so long. He's, also, 4th on the all time losses list for the same reason. He's a lot like the all time losses list leader, Bill Fitch, he's very likeable. He's made a fabulous career, from a longevity stand point, by playing the NBA game to the hilt.
I just don't think he's Hall of Fame calibre until he wins a title.
He is smart enough to have a house in Hawaii.
 
onetuffshot said:
Come on now. 29 years and no championships? With more losing and and mediocre seasons than strong ones? The only reason he is second on the all time wins list is because he's lasted so long. He's, also, 4th on the all time losses list for the same reason. He's a lot like the all time losses list leader, Bill Fitch, he's very likeable. He's made a fabulous career, from a longevity stand point, by playing the NBA game to the hilt.
I just don't think he's Hall of Fame calibre until he wins a title.
He is smart enough to have a house in Hawaii.
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Why has he lasted so long if he is only mediocre? Why is he 20th all time in winning percentage? Is 20 out of all the coaches ever mediocre? Again less than 40 coaches ever have one a championship.
 
BU RICK said:
TRIMAN, I agree with you, why not keep a dictionary next to the computer.
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I have one but don't know how to use it or to lazy to open it. I am not a good typer and when this old body gets going to fast, on top of being a p--- p--- s splejjjer, anything can happen! Thats why I have had a secretary. I hope Triman's brain is OK today! Got to get back to my work. Thanks for you take!
 
Why not compose your post in Word? Then hold down the CTRL key and press the A key to select the entire text. Then press the C key while still holding down the CTRL key to copy the entire text into a buffer. The click in the reply display of your post and press the V key while still holding down the CTRL key to paste the text. This way you can speel (just having fun here) check and grammer (more fun) check.
 
Lakeview Brave said:
Why has he lasted so long if he is only mediocre? Why is he 20th all time in winning percentage? Is 20 out of all the coaches ever mediocre? Again less than 40 coaches ever have one a championship.
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Very will said Lakeview, I am with you on this one. Name me another mediocre coach that has been around in the NBA with these stats! You can't! Thats because if you are a mediocre in the NBA you are not around very long and 29 yrs. in my book is a long time no matter where you are! As for no championship, and the Hall of Fame calibre, there are meny coachs and players without championships in all sports that are in Hall of Fames. They don't keep you around because they like you and you are a fun guy to be around! Its all about MONEY! He puts teams on the floor, people in the stands and $ in the owner's pockets! END of Story!!
 
Mike Radigan said:
Why not compose your post in Word? Then hold down the CTRL key and press the A key to select the entire text. Then press the C key while still holding down the CTRL key to copy the entire text into a buffer. The click in the reply display of your post and press the V key while still holding down the CTRL key to paste the text. This way you can speel (just having fun here) check and grammer (more fun) check.
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Now I am in real trouble here! Thanks Mike but you guys will just have to read between my lines and mistakes, as most of you can/do. Someone will have to help Triman, maybe it will have to be his step brother BU RICK!
You guys are having just to much fun with this! I'm OK with it! See Ya!
 
Don't worry about it Out of Bounce. I think we all knew what you were saying. I don't think any of us made it to the final 8 in the National Spelling Bee.
 
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