Bradleyguy10
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hmm..if they are already doing CBI teams..I'd be pretty surprised if we break 100..just imo
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CollegeHoops.net Top 144 countdown -- 2008-09
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Bradleyguy10
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wow if all I saw out of that was that this team "A" was in the big 10 and they have 3 guys returning that averaged over 10 ppg coming back (one of them as a freshmen)...I'd say they were sitting pretty..and definitely higher than #128..
but one line sums it up: "This year will not be a whole lot better, after all this is Northwestern we are talking about.."
but one line sums it up: "This year will not be a whole lot better, after all this is Northwestern we are talking about.."
Northwestern should definitely be improved, and Carmody actually has things on the upswing at Northwestern with back-to-back decent recruiting classes. Michael Thompson, Craig Moore, and Kevin Coble actually form a pretty nice top 3 players, so the real question is who steps up to form the rest of the rotation. Fruendt, Shurna, Mirkovic, and Rowley all come in as 3-star recruits, so there's reason to believe they can be contributors before too long. I think 9th in the Big Ten this season sounds accurate - I assume that's ahead of Indiana and Iowa, who should both be awful.
They should continue to improve next year, as Craig Moore will be the only real loss. If things go right, Northwestern could be an NIT or CBI team in 2009-10.
They should continue to improve next year, as Craig Moore will be the only real loss. If things go right, Northwestern could be an NIT or CBI team in 2009-10.
The writer also suggests that Kyle Rowley will play and contributr right away, but I don't see it. He is big and slow, and really needs work to get to the level he needs to compete against some of the big bodies the Big Ten have. It's not impossible he could develop quickly, but I just don't see him playing a lot this year.
There is not much said about Nick Freundt. It will be interesting to see if he can contribute. They really need more shooters with that boring offense Carmody runs. In every game of theirs I saw last year, they had many possessions that came down to a futile, last second, heave by someone to beat the shot clock.
There is not much said about Nick Freundt. It will be interesting to see if he can contribute. They really need more shooters with that boring offense Carmody runs. In every game of theirs I saw last year, they had many possessions that came down to a futile, last second, heave by someone to beat the shot clock.
MacabreMob
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You confused me for a sec DC... I thought you were talking about UIUC. LOL!
Pac 10 was probably the best conference last year IMO. Trust me I would never ever say that unless I believed it, I'm not a west coast team fan! They have good coaching all around, tradition (UCLA) and some good all around programs. CAL has a new coach and it will be interesting to see what he will do. I wonder where they have Stanford?
Braves4Life
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The Pac-10 is probably the most over-looked, under-rated conference year in and year out. Because most of their games end after the elitist Eastern media go to press they are rarely reported on and watched by those who write and rate teams in the polls. The Pac-10 seems to routinely have 1-2 teams each year in the Elite 8, whereas the "power conferences" often have one or none.
BUBraves2006
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You think the Pac-10 isn't a power conference? Are you kidding me?
mike radigan
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Dang, BUBraves2006, he posted just the opposite. He said underrated not overrated.
Braves4Life
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Media "Power Conferences" :
ACC
Big East
SEC
B-10
B-12
(I know I'm leaving someone out)
Pac-10 -- NOT a "power conference" as far as eastern media is concerned (isn't that what I originally said?)..... but OBVIOUSLY a power conference based on what I just said.
MacabreMob
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IMO:
1) B4L knows the PAC10 is a "power conference"
2) the Media considers the PAC10 a "power conference"
3) B4L, living on the East Coast, knows the Eastern coverage thinks of the PAC10 as last of the BCS 6
But here's something for ya B4L....
Looking at the past 10 years NCAA Tourneys and counting up representatives in the Elite 8....
Conference ----- # of Reps
Big12 ----- 14
Big10 ----- 13
ACC ----- 10
BigEast ----- 10
PAC10 ----- 10
SEC ----- 8
NonBCS ----- 15
>A10 -- 5
>CUSA -- 5
>Colonial -- 1
>MAC -- 1
>Southern -- 1
>WAC -- 1
>WCC -- 1
1) B4L knows the PAC10 is a "power conference"
2) the Media considers the PAC10 a "power conference"
3) B4L, living on the East Coast, knows the Eastern coverage thinks of the PAC10 as last of the BCS 6
But here's something for ya B4L....
Looking at the past 10 years NCAA Tourneys and counting up representatives in the Elite 8....
Conference ----- # of Reps
Big12 ----- 14
Big10 ----- 13
ACC ----- 10
BigEast ----- 10
PAC10 ----- 10
SEC ----- 8
NonBCS ----- 15
>A10 -- 5
>CUSA -- 5
>Colonial -- 1
>MAC -- 1
>Southern -- 1
>WAC -- 1
>WCC -- 1
Braves4Life
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But I would venture to guess that if the media or the average-joe basketball fan were picking the NCAA Tourney teams that the Pac-10 would have even less representation and the ACC and Big East would lead the way. That's what I mean when I said "over-looked, under-rated". This is a case where the NCAA Selection Committee has done a decent job.
Fortunately, the good fans here at Bradleyfans know their basketball
MacabreMob
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But I would venture to guess that if the media or the average-joe basketball fan were picking the NCAA Tourney teams that the Pac-10 would have even less representation and the ACC and Big East would lead the way. That's what I mean when I said "over-looked, under-rated". This is a case where the NCAA Selection Committee has done a decent job.
Fortunately, the good fans here at Bradleyfans know their basketball
Oh - I agree with ya B4L. and I must admit I am also a little biased against the PAC10. Not because of the media... but because I miss a lot of their games. I am surprised at those numbers (I provided) a little. I think as Conferences go, I think the B10 and B12 have weakened recently and to see their strong representation in the past 10 years is something to be noted. Then seeing how the PAC10 fits right in with the ACC and BigEast... hmmm. And rounding out the bottom is the SEC which leaves me a little surprised.
But then I think about Conferences ascending, namely the MVC. A conference that has ranked (by RPI's) strongly in the top 10 very recently, and the MVC has ZERO Elite 8's in the past 10 years. As much as I like and want to beat my chest about the MVC and the recent success.... it is deflating to see success from other Non-BCS conferences in the Elite 8 (and I'm not talking about the A10 and CUSA).
As good as we think we are, we are NOT that good UNTIL results show we are.
That is frustrating. The MVC consistently sends teams to the dance, but the strongest candidates to break through (SIU and CU, based on their consistent ability to make the tournament) have not advanced to the Elite 8
Well, it sure helps when half (or more) of your conference gets bids every year. Put 5 Valley teams in there every year and I bet those numbers start to even out. Take a top-10 conference and invite only Drake and I have a pretty good idea who will not be represented in the Elite 8. BTW, if you extend that out one round to Sweet 16, I think the Valley does OK.
BUBraves06
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But they had three teams in the Tourney, the Valley had just one, that's one of, if not the most, important measure to me. Though I agree that St. Joe's was an iffy selection, especially with how they looked in the first round against Oklahoma.
It is kind of surprising that this guy believe that 10 of the 120 best teams in the country are in the A-10.
According to Pomeroy ratings, the A10 had 8 teams in the top 85 last season, so it doesn't seem like a huge stretch to say that two of the other teams will climb from the 130-140 range into the top 121.
http://kenpom.com/conf.php?y=2008&c=A10&t=p
I will give this guy Joel Welser credit - he obviously does a lot of research for this countdown.
http://kenpom.com/conf.php?y=2008&c=A10&t=p
I will give this guy Joel Welser credit - he obviously does a lot of research for this countdown.
MacabreMob
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Hey - someone even thought Fordham could wind up in some Top 65 rankings and would be better than Bradley.
