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New Jamar Smith Trouble

This is very sad, if true.

Here are a couple more reports from different media.
The News-Gazette article has slightly more info than the other reports.--
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2008/07/29/prosecutor_seeks_to_revoke_jamar_smiths_probation

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...mar-smith-illinois-basketball,1,4915204.story

Just recently there have been several articles that have reported how well Jamar was shooting and how he was looking forward to returning to the Illini--
High hopes for Smith rebound (7/16/08 )-
http://media.www.dailyillini.com/me...ts/High-Hopes.For.Smith.Rebound-3391179.shtml

Extended 3-point arc doesn't faze Illini (7/14/08 )-http://media.www.dailyillini.com/me...d.3Point.Arc.Doesnt.Faze.Illini-3390435.shtml
 
He was hanging out in local Peoria bars earlier this year. This doesn't surprise me. It's sad, he's a talented kid. Unfortunately it looks like basketball isn't very important to him.

I wonder if Kyle Whelliston will be calling for Weber's job. If he called for Jim's because of the Ruffin situation, the THIRD repeat offender in the Weber regime (Luther Head, Richard McBride) should be enough garner the 'Renegade Program' tag from Mr. Whelliston. But for some reason, I don't think Kyle will ask for Weber's job.
 
C'mon Jamar, not only are you gonna screw up, you're going to do it at a place named "Fubar?" The irony is almost too much.....
 
BradleyBrave said:
This doesn't surprise me. It's sad, he's a talented kid. Unfortunately it looks like basketball isn't very important to him.

I wonder if Kyle Whelliston will be calling for Weber's job. If he called for Jim's because of the Ruffin situation, the THIRD repeat offender in the Weber regime (Luther Head, Richard McBride) should be enough garner the 'Renegade Program' tag from Mr. Whelliston. But for some reason, I don't think Kyle will ask for Weber's job.
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Seeing as how Kyle pays zero attention to the BCS schools, why would he?

If he did, he has never shown to be inconsistent, and I'm sure he would have some choice words for this situation.
 
Definitely bad news for Illinois basketball fans, but way worse for Jamar Smith himself. If this proves to be true, he may have effectively ended his basketball career. I hope Jamar can work through his personal issues and lead a productive life.
 
squirrel said:
Seeing as how Kyle pays zero attention to the BCS schools, why would he?

If he did, he has never shown to be inconsistent, and I'm sure he would have some choice words for this situation.
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He's never shown to be inconsistent? Really? SIU had drinking incidents a few years back involving Stetson Hairston and Jamal Tatum, and before that harbored a convicted felon in Rolen Roberts. ISU has had a myriad of incidents over the past year involving drinking, alcohol, and driving. I don't read Whelliston as much as you, but I don't recall Weber, Lowery, or Jankovich's job status being questioned.

I emailed Kyle to ask him about this, so you won't need to stick up for him anymore. I would like to know what his real motivation was for writing the Jim Les blog, and where he's really getting his information from.
 
squirrel said:
I don't recall SIU and ISU players being given scrubbing floors as adequate initial punishment, either.
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Yeah, missing that Athletes in Action game was a real harsh punishment for Jamal Tatum. Did Levi Dyer even get punished? According to you and Whelliston, Lowery and Jank should be canned along with Les. Yet I only hear the cries for one firing. I'd like to know why.
 
Maybe it was all the pressure dooming JS to failure.

He shoulda just gone pro.

McClain said he could be a future lottery pick... that means he's at least good enough now to get on somewhere.
 
After what happened the 1st time Illinois should revoke his scholarship as a person almost died in that accident and he has not learned his lesson if he broke his probation . There is simply no excuse for this and he should be sent home.
 
The following is just my opinion after reading the reports today-

At this point in his life, I think Jamar and his family have more to worry about than his basketball future. They need to be concerned for Jamar's life and wellbeing. I think he needs to get away from Champaign and the people who he thinks care for him and call themselves his friends. They are not his friend if they allow him to continue to pursue this course of self-destructive behavior. Jamar is lucky to be alive and that he hasn't killed anyone with his behavior.
Where is the support staff in the Illinois Athletic Department?
Where are the rules and discipline that might have prevented this?

I hope he gets the help he needs, but I do not see that such help is there at UIUC. In fact, all I see are enablers.
It's not too late to transfer to a D2 school, get well, play out his career, and then pursue a pro career. I wish the best for him.

By the way, the penalty for violating his probation, which he has already apparently admitted to is 1 to 14 years in jail.
http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=22801
 
Smith was not arrested, he was not tested for alcohol in his bloodstream, Rietz said. WHY WASN'T IT DONE THAT NIGHT.

But prosecutors don’t have to prove beyond a doubt that he was drinking for a judge to revoke his probation, according to Rietz — only that he was "more likely than not" drinking. NOT SURE THIS STATEMENT IS CORRECT!
Did he admitt to drinking or didn't he? If you read and believe the pjstar he admitted he had but the dailyillini reads nothing about admitting to have.
First let me say this, I think he shouldn't of been there at 2:30 AM in the first place, after all that has happen to him and being on probation. Second he was ordered to leave by the police (not once but twice maybe a third) along with the group he was with and returned each time. My first ? is why the police did not make an arrest for that after the first order to leave when he returned, let alone two more times after that. Next it has been reported by the police that he was not involved in any of the wrong doings (criminal damage to a business or the verbal altercation) there that night. Then 3 days later police said a police officer smelled alcohol on him that night and the officer knew at that time he was not to be drinking while on probation, why the wait and why was he not arrested that night for possible violation of probation and given a test for alcohol.
Another ? I have is how the officer with all that going on there that night had the time to single out (knew) Jamar and knew the terms of his probation off the top of his head. Also at the location where this happen (Green St.) how the officer could have smelt anything but alcohol in the air at 2:30 AM and could single out one person out of a group for drinking.
I'm going to hold judgement here as there are to meny ?'s and not enough answers yet. If there is no written confession, or arrest and test, then it looks to me it would be a very hard case to prove.
No matter what happens here this guy needs help and he isn't going to get it in Champaign at 2:30 in the morning on Green St. at the Furbar with the people he is was with.
 
Out of Bounce said:
Smith was not arrested, he was not tested for alcohol in his bloodstream, Rietz said. WHY WASN'T IT DONE THAT NIGHT.

But prosecutors don??™t have to prove beyond a doubt that he was drinking for a judge to revoke his probation, according to Rietz ??” only that he was "more likely than not" drinking. NOT SURE THIS STATEMENT IS CORRECT!
Did he admitt to drinking or didn't he? If you read and believe the pjstar he admitted he had but the dailyillini reads nothing about admitting to have.
First let me say this, I think he shouldn't of been there at 2:30 AM in the first place, after all that has happen to him and being on probation. Second he was ordered to leave by the police (not once but twice maybe a third) along with the group he was with and returned each time. My first ? is why the police did not make an arrest for that after the first order to leave when he returned, let alone two more times after that. Next it has been reported by the police that he was not involved in any of the wrong doings (criminal damage to a business or the verbal altercation) there that night. Then 3 days later police said a police officer smelled alcohol on him that night and the officer knew at that time he was not to be drinking while on probation, why the wait and why was he not arrested that night for possible violation of probation and given a test for alcohol.
Another ? I have is how the officer with all that going on there that night had the time to single out (knew) Jamar and knew the terms of his probation off the top of his head. Also at the location where this happen (Green St.) how the officer could have smelt anything but alcohol in the air at 2:30 AM and could single out one person out of a group for drinking.
I'm going to hold judgement here as there are to meny ?'s and not enough answers yet. If there is no written confession, on arrest and test, then it looks to me it would be a very hard case to prove.
No matter what happens here this guy needs help and he isn't going to get it in Champaign at 2:30 in the morning on Green St. at the Furbar with the people he is was with.
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I agree completely. I share your "questions" as well.

But one thing I would like to point out... JS and his accident with BC and all the news about the incident (I believe) are pretty common knowledge among the police and therefore are pretty aware of his 2 year probation.

What puzzles me most is... JS KNOWS his probation requirements. If he had any alcoholic beverages that night, why the flip-flop would he return to interact with police a 2nd and then 3rd time???

Jeezle-Pete!

If me, and I had a couple pints, then run into the law, then able to get away from the scene I had nothing to do with... I would NOT go back a 2nd or 3rd time. Unless I was sober and KNEW I did not break my probation.

I think we need to sit back and wait for more details to come from the story. In the meantime, excuse me as I crack open a jar and wait. ;)
 
Out of Bounce said:
Smith was not arrested, he was not tested for alcohol in his bloodstream, Rietz said. WHY WASN'T IT DONE THAT NIGHT.
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This is answered by the next sentence.
Out of Bounce said:
But prosecutors don??™t have to prove beyond a doubt that he was drinking for a judge to revoke his probation, according to Rietz ??” only that he was "more likely than not" drinking. NOT SURE THIS STATEMENT IS CORRECT!
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Not sure if I'd doubt a state's attorney's knowledge about a legal matter.

Out of Bounce said:
Did he admitt to drinking or didn't he? If you read and believe the pjstar he admitted he had but the dailyillini reads nothing about admitting to have.
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The part you bolded from the story answers this. In any case, we'll see his plea when he goes to court. Also the PJStar story is from the Associated Press.

Out of Bounce said:
Another ? I have is how the officer with all that going on there that night had the time to single out (knew) Jamar and knew the terms of his probation off the top of his head.
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Like MMob said, Jamar's situation was well publicized and his probation I'm sure was very well known by local police. As for singling out Jamar, if you live in Champaign you could likely recognize any UIUC player just like you could with BU players in Peoria.
 
Out of Bounce said:
Smith was not arrested, he was not tested for alcohol in his bloodstream, Rietz said. WHY WASN'T IT DONE THAT NIGHT.

But prosecutors don??™t have to prove beyond a doubt that he was drinking for a judge to revoke his probation, according to Rietz ??” only that he was "more likely than not" drinking. NOT SURE THIS STATEMENT IS CORRECT!
Did he admitt to drinking or didn't he? If you read and believe the pjstar he admitted he had but the dailyillini reads nothing about admitting to have.
First let me say this, I think he shouldn't of been there at 2:30 AM in the first place, after all that has happen to him and being on probation. Second he was ordered to leave by the police (not once but twice maybe a third) along with the group he was with and returned each time. My first ? is why the police did not make an arrest for that after the first order to leave when he returned, let alone two more times after that. Next it has been reported by the police that he was not involved in any of the wrong doings (criminal damage to a business or the verbal altercation) there that night. Then 3 days later police said a police officer smelled alcohol on him that night and the officer knew at that time he was not to be drinking while on probation, why the wait and why was he not arrested that night for possible violation of probation and given a test for alcohol.
Another ? I have is how the officer with all that going on there that night had the time to single out (knew) Jamar and knew the terms of his probation off the top of his head. Also at the location where this happen (Green St.) how the officer could have smelt anything but alcohol in the air at 2:30 AM and could single out one person out of a group for drinking.
I'm going to hold judgement here as there are to meny ?'s and not enough answers yet. If there is no written confession, or arrest and test, then it looks to me it would be a very hard case to prove.
No matter what happens here this guy needs help and he isn't going to get it in Champaign at 2:30 in the morning on Green St. at the Furbar with the people he is was with.
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Yes, it's everyone else's fault. I love how in today's society no one is responsible for their own actions, and it's always someone else's fault. It's even worse with athletes. "He's a good kid" and "He just made a mistake". News flash - A large number of athletes aren't good kids, and get away with murder (sometimes literally) because of what they can do on the field of play. Jamar has been hanging out in local watering holes in Peoria and Champaign since school got out. These are the consequences of his actions, and his alone. Whatever punishment he gets, he deserves. No one is above the law, not even the great Jamar Smith.
 
Scouter said:
This is answered by the next sentence.
[[/I]Not sure if I'd doubt a state's attorney's knowledge about a legal matter.
[I]Why not, after some of the things thats happen in recent years. The Duke Lacross teams case and the states attorney who handled that case.[/I]
The part you bolded from the story answers this. In any case, we'll see his plea when he goes to court. Also the PJStar story is from the Associated Press.
I'm not sure stories in the PJStar are not edited and reedited no matter where the story comes from to their liken.


Like MMob said, Jamar's situation was well publicized and his probation I'm sure was very well known by local police. As for singling out Jamar, if you live in Champaign you could likely recognize any UIUC player just like you could with BU players in Peoria. I agree
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But I fine it hard to understand why an officer in the heat of battle, investigating 2 calls (criminal damage to a business and a altercation) has time to smell alcohol on someone in a group on probation thats not to have alcohol and then does not have the time arrest and test or even call for back up help to do it.
Three days later files charges. I worked with the Peoria PD for years and know meny of the officers from the top-down, and I know it wouldn't of been handled the way this was. Not sure the % of Peoria officers that would know all or any of the BU players.
Also I fine it more harder to understand WHY Jamar would even be there, drinking or not. Like I said, the guy needs help and he isn't going to get it from the people he was with that night, at Furbar on Green Street. This whole thing makes no sense to me, but I will hold judgement until all the facts are on the table.[/I]
 
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