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MVC First Exhibition Attendance

The selling alcohol on campus is cost prohibitive due to the insurance that would be necessary to risk the exposure. I'm sure there are one time loop holes but they probably need to be passed through the insurance company for acceptance.
DoubleJayAlum, I'm sure when the time comes you will be able to have all your questions answered.
 
Stryker said:
Notify me if I am wrong here. Alcohol is not served at on-campus facilities when an official NCAA sporting event is taking place. I am pretty sure this is for basketball, idk about football.
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You may be right Stryker, I don't no. I do know that I attend a lot of football and basketball games at Purdue where my daughter teaches and there is no alcohol at either. But then again, in Indiana there is a law that unless you are 21 years of age, you cannot drink or even be in a restaurant that has a bar unless the bar is some way isolated from the eating area.
 
Out of Bounce said:
You may be right Stryker, I don't no. I do know that I attend a lot of football and basketball games at Purdue where my daughter teaches and there is no alcohol at either. But then again, in Indiana there is a law that unless you are 21 years of age, you cannot drink or even be in a restaurant that has a bar unless the bar is some way isolated from the eating area.
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Yeah, but I don't think that's the reason. I was at the Colts-Pats game and enjoyed a coupe of Brews. So I think its a campus or NCAA decision.
 
I wasn't trying to say that we need an on campus arena...I was merely pointing out the fact that ISU's attendance is lame. :twisted:
 
amckillip said:
Yeah, but I don't think that's the reason. I was at the Colts-Pats game and enjoyed a coupe of Brews. So I think its a campus or NCAA decision.
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Your probaby right. One thing after I posted, I started thinking. Out side the stadium on university property, in the parking lots where the tail gaters are there is a lot of alcohol but I don't ever remember seeing any tents or places selling it to the general public. Could be wrong!
 
DoubleJayAlum said:
... many of you know, Creighton plays at a non campus arena too. .....
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not sure why there are still questions about this after so many pages of discussion and clear answers.

here are the two most salient points...take them or leave them...regarding the building
of all the new facilities in/on a tiny, land-locked campus like Bradley---

--BU (men's basketball) is a lock to draw 10,000+ and so they simply will not now or ever want to play in a home arena that fails to seat at least 10,000
....it is just an absolutely suicidal giveaway of tens of millions of dollars of revenue for no good purpose whatsoever.

--there is no way ever BU could have built a 10,000 seat arena (or anything even remotely close to 10,000) on or anywhere near campus.
The amount of available land, traffic considerations, infrastructure, water, sewers, parking, noise, nearby hotels, restaurants, and ingress/egress for safety/emergency vehicles & media are all woefully insufficient and could not POSSIBLY be brought up to sufficient standards no matter how much land Bradley bought and no matter how much anyone or everyone would have tried or wanted to try to help solve all those problems.
If there is still anyone who simply doesn't know this by now and who thinks BU still should have built on campus, then it a total waste to try to discuss it further.

In fact...choose to believe it or not, as I won't again waste time trying to convince, but....

The very fact that BU IS getting the project done that is bringing an incredible student athletic center (the Markin Center) then subsequently the new arena for 4,500, training facilities, and athletic department facilities is----given the opposition, hostility (go back and read KW), and limitation of all factors like parking, infrastructure, etc.....
......is NOTHING SHORT OF A MIRACLE, and when completed will rank as one of the most ambitious and successful building and engineering projects that this city and even this state has ever seen!!
 
tornado said:
when completed will rank as one of the most ambitious and successful building and engineering projects that this city and even this state has ever seen!!
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That's a stretch...If you want then do explain, but I'd have to disagree about that.

However, I do agree that an on campus arena is unnecessary and dang close to impossible.
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
That's a stretch...If you want then do explain...
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the difficulties in acquiring the property (which unlike OSF's projects they did not already own
and unlike the Civic Center projects they couldn't just grab by the eminent-domain ruse),
the re-zoning, the planning & preparation, and then getting the finances & actually doing the project
so that it can be completed in just a couple short years time - have not been told and mostly
because Bradley is a private institution and the way they and news about them have been treated
so negatively in the local press, they have chosen to keep 99% of it quiet.
But if it were known, then you might agree. Other than OSF's $280 Million addition that has been in the works
for the past 4-5 years and is still a couple years away....and maybe the Civic Center and its upgrading,
then give me your short list of building projects in and around Peoria that are more impressive and successful
given that NOT ONE PENNY of taxpayer & public money has been ferretted from the people in the city & the state in order to get it done.


btw-- the Civic Center upgrade cost $55 million and the cost to build it in the first place was about the same, yet
BU's complete campus upgrades will probably end up at over $100 million all privately funded.
Did you notice the city and some individuals are trying to get a museum built downtown with private funds...
But they are asking for big bucks from state, local, and federal sources......the project started out around
$20 million numerous years ago...and has now ballooned to over $50 million and is going NOWHERE!!!
All told....they've been at it for nearly a decade, and ....ahem.....just tell me how successful they've been to date????
 
Interestingly enough, I just did a quick search for tickets for isu's home opener and you can still purchase 10th row, lower bowl, end-court tickets.

The best available tickets for Bradley's home opener are in the 21st row of the upper bowl!
 
dogsrus said:
cpacmel said:
Enrollment of students has little to do with overall attendance at games.


Hogwash.....do you think BU would draw more students if it was on-campus? I do. And IF we had an on-campus arena and 3 times as many students as we do now I bet attendance would be increased to the extent tickets would be hard to get.
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I can show you plenty of places where their arena is on campus and it hasn't helped them at all. It might make getting to the games alittle more convenient but it isn't keeping 1000's upon 1000's of students from attending games.
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tornado said:
when completed will rank as one of the most ambitious and successful building and engineering projects that this city and even this state has ever seen!!
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Wow. One of the most successful building and engineering projects ever in the state?

Tornado have you ever been to Chicago? :biggrin:
 
tornado said:
The very fact that BU IS getting the project done that is bringing an incredible student athletic center (the Markin Center) then subsequently the new arena for 4,500, training facilities, and athletic department facilities is----given the opposition, hostility (go back and read KW), and limitation of all factors like parking, infrastructure, etc...
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Pretty sure KW wasn't opposed or hostile toward the new facilities being built. So maybe you should read his stuff again. In fact, there's a pretty good chance he helped pay for them.
 
tornado said:
the difficulties in acquiring the property (which unlike OSF's projects they did not already own
and unlike the Civic Center projects they couldn't just grab by the eminent-domain ruse),
the re-zoning, the planning & preparation, and then getting the finances & actually doing the project
so that it can be completed in just a couple short years time - have not been told and mostly
because Bradley is a private institution and the way they and news about them have been treated
so negatively in the local press, they have chosen to keep 99% of it quiet.
But if it were known, then you might agree. Other than OSF's $280 Million addition that has been in the works
for the past 4-5 years and is still a couple years away....and maybe the Civic Center and its upgrading,
then give me your short list of building projects in and around Peoria that are more impressive and successful
given that NOT ONE PENNY of taxpayer & public money has been ferretted from the people in the city & the state in order to get it done.


btw-- the Civic Center upgrade cost $55 million and the cost to build it in the first place was about the same, yet
BU's complete campus upgrades will probably end up at over $100 million all privately funded.
Did you notice the city and some individuals are trying to get a museum built downtown with private funds...
But they are asking for big bucks from state, local, and federal sources......the project started out around
$20 million numerous years ago...and has now ballooned to over $50 million and is going NOWHERE!!!
All told....they've been at it for nearly a decade, and ....ahem.....just tell me how successful they've been to date????
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Sure it's nice for Peoria and the Peoria area, but I was more referencing the "state" comment.

It is also impressive it's funded privately and all that other jazz, but let's stay real here. It's a recreation center. Believe me I"m as excited as anyone but zoning regulations and that stuff is more like "diplomacy" than engineering. The actual engineering part of the project I bet was pretty run in the mill.

In Peoria...I'd say the Michel bridge is a pretty good engineering feet. The water/wastewater treatment facilities are pretty big. The twin buildings I'm sure was a big deal. The fermentation plant probably had loads of engineering through out the years...I'm not really sure what it does now though besides put off a bad smell.

Did you know Peoria used to be the #1 maker of alcohol in the WORLD. That was probably masterful "engineering" for it's time ;-)
 
Chico said:
Looks like cpacmel accomphished his goal of irritating BU fans. But IMO a fan of a team, with a student population much larger than Bradley, which in the past has been lucky to draw 6000 fans to games except when Bradley comes to town, shouldn't talk about BU's lack of attendance at an exibition game.
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Exactly right Chico... I did not even read most of the posts, just was scanning until I came to yours and didn't go further. Capmal had one objective in mind when s/he started the thread (and I guess accomplished that). Attendance is not an issue for the Braves.
 
Bradleyguy10 said:
In Peoria...I'd say the Michel bridge is a pretty good engineering feet. The water/wastewater treatment facilities are pretty big. ...
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yes, those are all nice feet but hardly in the same ballpark as they were built with public funds and way, way overbudgeted, and then over spent.
 
You are right...and I did credit you and agree with you that it is impressive how BU got this done with no public funds...that truly is amazing. But I'm going to salvage my argument by saying I'm not looking at funds just at pure engineering...:razz:
 
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