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Whelliston at Carver tommorrow

so now, in an effort to spin Whelliston's horrific jumping to conclusions and unfairly branding BU as somehow worse than all those other schools with far, far more serious violations...
suddenly it isn't "renegade behavior", it's just "embarrassing facts".....hmmmm



PS-- I think I'll print this off and give it to Whelliston if I see him tonight, surely' he'll want to know..
I suspect he already knows about Binghamton as much as they've been in the news.
http://www.sbindependent.org/node/2571
And does he know one of Wisconsin's starters now has 3 DUI's?
 
I think he would be an interesting guy to talk with over a drink before or after the game.

Hopefully, he makes it up to campus to check out the new construction.
 
ER3 said:
Kyle Whelliston doesn't owe anyone at BU an apology...and I really don't understand why anyone really cares all that much about what he wrote. There were multiple instances last year where BU players were arrested/ticketed after their involvement in criminal/illegal activities. He labeled us as a "renegade program" as a result.
Do I consider the BU program a "renegade program"? No...but I don't think he needs to retract his statement or offer some formal apology either. There were bad "police blotter" instances that happened with this team last year...Whelliston saw that and voiced his opinion on the matter...He never labeled us as the most blatantly corrupt program in the country or the only program to have any legal problems in the country...If he had portrayed us in that light, then yes, I would call those inaccurate statements and would expect a retraction of some sort.
A national reporter is here to cover the BU program tonight...it would be really nice if he was able to walk away from this experience with positive things to write about our team, our fans, our basketball environment, etc...rather than having an article come out talking about getting hassled by a bunch of petty fans that threw beer on him and demanded apologies from him for using the phrase 'renegade program'...Let it go...it's really not a big deal.
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ER3, I usually agree with the majority of your posts.. However, I disagree with portions of this post. A national reporter labled us a a "renegade program". I believe this is an innaccurate and excesive label. Why? A true renegade program would have swept a lot of this under the rug. In our case, suspensions were handed out to the players and the issues were confronted.. Last year's issues are social issues that can and do happen at any school. If Whelliston wants to travel the country to look for renegade programs, I have a couple of suggestions for his itinerary.
 
Tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't he call for OUR HEAD COACH'S RESIGNATION.

I think that is going a little farther than using BU as an example and "stating some embarrasing facts."

If I were KK, Bobby Parker, or esp. JL, I would have a hard time just pretending that never happened. I also don't believe if I were Kyle W. that I would simply show up to cover a game and expect everyone to ignore that type of statement.

I think he needs to state either in his blog or the article he writes about our game if he still believes JL should resign. Obviously nothing has happened since then to change what happened last winter.

Again, I want to have the Whellitson visit to be nothing but a positive thing and I'm not agruing someones right to say what happened here last year was wrong, but I don't know how BU or Kyle W, can expect to completely ignore what was written.
 
amen....true renegade programs actually go out and recruit kids who are troublemakers, and known violators, or keep them and let them play undisciplined even when they DO commit serious violations.

NONE of that has ever occurred at Bradley, but it sure has at numerous other D-I programs even within driving range of Peoria....even kids with felonies have been allowed to remain on the team until they embarrassingly self destructed.
 
tornado said:
so now, in an effort to spin Whelliston's horrific jumping to conclusions and unfairly branding BU as somehow worse than all those other schools with far, far more serious violations...
suddenly it isn't "renegade behavior", it's just "embarrassing facts".....hmmmm
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But where did he ever actually say that BU was "worse than all those other schools with far, far more serious violations"?
That is what you infer from his "renegade program" statement...but that was not his statement. We had a bad stretch last year where multiple players got in trouble with the law...those incidents wound up in the paper...an outsider read about those incidents, and obviously had the thoughts, "wow, what the heck is going on there at BU?...Has Les lost control of his program or what?"...so he gave his opinion on our program based his interpretation of the legal issues going on...
He never said BU is the worst program in America, he never said no other school in the country has legal issues come up...He just noticed our couple of problems last year and formed an opinion based on them. You don't agree with his opinion, I think that it was a little blown out of porportion...that's fine...but it really shouldn't be something that anyone is still angry about or bothered by. He didn't misrepresent any facts about BU, it was just an outsider's opinion based on some embarrassing events that took place off the court for our program last year.
Tonight we have the opportunity to show him an on court experience that paints us in a much better light...that is what we should be talking about now that Whelliston is going to be in Peoria tonight...
 
OK..you're right, since Whelliston didn't actually SAY Bradley is the worst program ever, then I guess I still like him a lot and will kiss up to him tonight. ;)
 
Beninator said:
ER3, I usually agree with the majority of your posts.. However, I disagree with portions of this post. A national reporter labled us a a "renegade program". I believe this is an innaccurate and excesive label. Why? A true renegade program would have swept a lot of this under the rug. In our case, suspensions were handed out to the players and the issues were confronted.. Last year's issues are social issues that can and do happen at any school. If Whelliston wants to travel the country to look for renegade programs, I have a couple of suggestions for his itinerary.
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Don't agree with the bolded statement. TW and TCS suited up to play against ISU the night after their incident. TW even scored the game-winning points. It's not like their suspensions were handed out right away. Wasn't their punishment originally kept in-house and handled by having them do extra work after practice? It wasn't until JoJo Glasser stepped in that they were suspended for the WSU game.
 
Scouter said:
Don't agree with the bolded statement. TW and TCS suited up to play against ISU the night after their incident. TW even scored the game-winning points. It's not like their suspensions were handed out right away. Wasn't their punishment originally kept in-house and handled by having them do extra work after practice. It wasn't until JoJo Glasser stepped in that they were suspended for the WSU game.
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And it was after THAT the comments were written.
 
they were disciplined as you well know.....
TW was docked the start, and the discipline was definitely MORE and MORE visible than what has occurred at Illinois State, SIU, etc...even though those violations were CONSIDERABLY more serious.
 
tornado said:
they were disciplined as you well know.....
TW was docked the start, and the discipline was definitely MORE and MORE visible than what has occurred at Illinois State, SIU, etc...even though those violations were CONSIDERABLY more serious.
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Ah, yes .. he sat what, two minutes? Three minutes?
 
I don't think anyone here is actually suggesting that Whelliston was implying or downright saying we were the worst program last year....I'm pretty sure nobody believes that that's what he was doing. What it is that has everyone so vexed by it is that out of allll the programs that he could have chosen from to label a renegade program..and the majority of them much worse than ours...he chose to label us and called for JL's job over a couple of citations and an arrest that ended up getting about the same amount of penalty as a bad speeding ticket (please don't blow up over that comment..you know what i mean). It's just the principle of the matter not necessarily the matter itself. It's slightly unjust and unfair (where is he at calling for other head coach's jobs?)..but hey it's an unfair world and it was our turn to take some criticism on the national level. Did we do stupid stuff...yeah...did we deserve to be called a renegade program...no but oh well.

Overall I don't care...nobody else outside of Bradley-nation or even outside of bradleyfans.com cares anymore.

Let's beat UIC
 
Scouter said:
Don't agree with the bolded statement. TW and TCS suited up to play against ISU the night after their incident. TW even scored the game-winning points. It's not like their suspensions were handed out right away. Wasn't their punishment originally kept in-house and handled by having them do extra work after practice? It wasn't until JoJo Glasser stepped in that they were suspended for the WSU game.
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JoJo really didn't do much of anything. I love President Glasser, but I don't understand why people really give her credit for that. Everything I have heard is that she didn't even weigh in until the last minute and even then, no decisions were changed... She did use the incident to spearhead an interesting, albeit, seeming inffective (to-date), new alcohol program on campus. But she really didn't have much to do with their disciplinary measures.
 
Double D said:
If I were KK, Bobby Parker, or esp. JL, I would have a hard time just pretending that never happened. I also don't believe if I were Kyle W. that I would simply show up to cover a game and expect everyone to ignore that type of statement.

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You know, I say this as one of the biggest JL critics still around. . .JL wasn't very well liked in the coaching community when first hired, but he took it in stride and has built some very strong relationships amongst colleagues and in some instances even rival coaches.

He has also endeared himself in many ways in the coaching community which doesn't take well to outsiders. . .which JL was when he was hired.

In short, I'm sure he brushed it off and will be very cordial to Kyle.
 
amckillip said:
JoJo really didn't do much of anything. I love President Glasser, but I don't understand why people really give her credit for that. Everything I have heard is that she didn't even weigh in until the last minute and even then, no decisions were changed... She did use the incident to spearhead an interesting, albeit, seeming inffective (to-date), new alcohol program on campus. But she really didn't have much to do with their disciplinary measures.
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That's because she was unaware of the incident until immediately prior to the second game after the incident, when a fan who had just read it in the paper that afternoon approached her about it. Now, granted, it was the police's fault for not releasing the report immediately to the media which fueled the fire.

Meaning the staff kept the incident and the discipline from her. A big no-no for a President whose #1 priority is establishing positive public relations and made it known on day 1 of her administration to be notified the instant anything remotely tarnishing the university image occurs. And that did not happen.
 
it's boogie time said:
I think he would be an interesting guy to talk with over a drink before or after the game.

Hopefully, he makes it up to campus to check out the new construction.
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I hope so too. . .it would make an interesting article about how Courtney Lee spurned BU for WKU because of "facilities" and the aggressive addressing of the issue by Bradley.
 
Here's something Whelliston will like.........

In last night's 2K Sports Classic game at UCLA, the UCLA Bruins found themselves in a real dogfight, and after a relatively easy first win against Prairie View A&M, in the Regional Final and for the rights to go to Madison Square Garden....they were battling for their lives against Miami (OH).

Miami actually led late in the game, and was within ONE-TWO POINTS even as deep into the game as the final minute!

So....with so many youngsters and freshmen on the UCLA roster, they decided to play their experienced guy Nikola Dragovic, who just a few days ago was bailed out of jail for beating up his girlfriend...and it was a move that actually made a difference in the game.

So just maybe Whelliston would have one of those "R"-words to describe UCLA as well.???
 
How can you call a program (entire program!!) that has had next to no "incidents" before last year a renegade program.

I'm not saying what TCS, TW, and Ruff did was ok...it wasn't
but you call the entire Bradley Program a renegade program and call for Les to retire???
that seems a little too extreme for me

there are otehr programs *cough* uofi *cough* that has done SOOOO many worse things (see Luther Head)
and Bruce Weber was barely slapped on the wrist.

this guy was just making trouble where trouble wasn't deserved

also,
Andy...cold words on the Pres...Alcohol program not working? cooold
 
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