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I'm a big Obama fan...he's pretty legit

I just don't get why McCain became such a "politician" during the race. He is a very level headed, fun guy normally. But as the election went on he turned into an ___-hole...fill in your own blank there.

If he had stuck to what he did best...being himself...he coulda won. And didn't pick a bimbo for a running mate. I don't care what you think of her...if she were pushed into presidency from a tragedy...I would move STRAIT to Canada...no questions asked.

and agreed...McCain was very classy in his recession speech
 
I know what you mean, but I still don't think McCain could have won under the present political and economic circumstances. He was being managed by some people who gave him bad advice. These same McCain people are now trying to make Sarah Palin the reason they lost by knocking her. I don't ever recall any presidential candidate in history who's people did this. I think the Republican party will be much better when it's out of the hands of the McCain people.
 
I can agree w/ that
As much as I would like to believe the nation votes w/ whose policies make the most sense...i think most vote w/ who they like more...McCain coulda done that if he...for the lack of a better term "stayed the course" ;)

yea, i agree that most of mccains people were pretty nuts...wouldn't have liked him as pres...much happier this way
 
Da Coach said:
I know what you mean, but I still don't think McCain could have won under the present political and economic circumstances. He was being managed by some people who gave him bad advice. These same McCain people are now trying to make Sarah Palin the reason they lost by knocking her. I don't ever recall any presidential candidate in history who's people did this. I think the Republican party will be much better when it's out of the hands of the McCain people.
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A couple of points to add here...

agree--The current conditions were certainly an anchor to the Mccain campaign and certainly to most Republicans running for office this year.

The fallout with staff and candidates often falls through the cracks after the election. A lot of times (especially with the loosing party) there are reports of the fallout but most of the interest is with the winning candidate. There was a lot of fallout in the aftermath of the Dole-Kemp campaign as well as the Kerry-Edwards campaign.
 
BUconnorD said:
I'm a big Obama fan...he's pretty legit

I just don't get why McCain became such a "politician" during the race. He is a very level headed, fun guy normally. But as the election went on he turned into an ___-hole...fill in your own blank there.

If he had stuck to what he did best...being himself...he coulda won. And didn't pick a bimbo for a running mate. I don't care what you think of her...if she were pushed into presidency from a tragedy...I would move STRAIT to Canada...no questions asked.

and agreed...McCain was very classy in his recession speech
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Not into politics much although I did hold an elected position once:

Palin is NOT a bimbo and was mishandled, as was Mccain. What a mountain to climb, given current economy.

You wouldn't move to Canada anymore than I would given Obama's election as Pres.

I did not vote for Obama, but as for me and my house....we will pray for him and that he does a great job and God Bless him....
 
I pretty certain that Palin isnt a bimbo, but I really feel that McCain made a very poor choice in having her as his running mate. She presented him way to many surprises and in the end his message was lost in her attempt to become the focal point of the campaign, or more specifically her attempt to set her ground for 12.

I honestly feel she is a lighting rod for both those who believe in her and those who completely opposed her ways. She may not have been a "THE" reason for lose by McCain but she certainly did not help him in the way he/the RNP had invisioned.

She is a rock star now, and she now going to do all she can to be the face of RNC. It will be very interesting how she navigates the next 4 years. I personally think she will do all she can to be the candidate for the RNP in 12 but and this is my opinion that run will be like throwing the lambs to the lions. I dont think the full Republican party takes her serious nor would they support her completely for an election.

Now Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jinda is a different story. He is who I expect the Republicans to push into the spot light and challenge Obama.
 
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tornado said:
but isn't Obama considering a bimbo for Secretary of State?
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No. But I am not certain of the definition of a Bimbo. Maybe I missed something but it appears individuals think a bimbo is a female politician? Everyone better becareful Amy Madigan might find that definition offensive and sladerous... even on a message board :)

For the record neither Palin nor Clinton are Bimbo's. Just strong minded opinionated politicians.. but what politician isnt?
 
I'm not into politics either, especially on a sports board, but I think Palin was a poor choice for VP because not too many had ever heard of her. She definitely is not a bimbo. Madigan maybe, but not Palin. Even though I like McCain, I think the GOP could have had a stronger candidate. IMO, he should have pushed the Ayers and Wright friendships more than he did. Of course the country has been changing Presidents every 8 years lately, so JM probably wouldn't have won anyway. One thing I find funny out of all this is that the Hollywood left is praising the fact that this election shows that democracy works in this country. But boy are they raising cain because the voters voted down gay marriages. Does democracy work or not, can't have it both ways.
 
houstontxbrave said:
Now Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is a different story. He is who I expect the Republicans to push into the spot light and challenge Obama.
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Too early to tell, but Jindal is the person I think the Republicans will push as well. It is going to be a crowded field though... Charlie Christ, Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Meg Whitman are already looking toward
2012.imo
 
Chico said:
I'm not into politics either, especially on a sports board, but I think Palin was a poor choice for VP because not too many had ever heard of her. She definitely is not a bimbo. Madigan maybe, but not Palin. Even though I like McCain, I think the GOP could have had a stronger candidate. IMO, he should have pushed the Ayers and Wright friendships more than he did. Of course the country has been changing Presidents every 8 years lately, so JM probably wouldn't have won anyway. One thing I find funny out of all this is that the Hollywood left is praising the fact that this election shows that democracy works in this country. But boy are they raising cain because the voters voted down gay marriages. Does democracy work or not, can't have it both ways.
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McCain tried as best as he could to keep tact in this race. But keeping the whole Ayers..which is a silly thing to begin with or the Wright thing... which is not as silly, off the board a bit, were McCain's decisions, but I am guessing those were decisions based on some of his relationships that could have used some further explaination and focus.

The California thing to me is a little ironic, yes the Hollywood left is pleased with Obama, but and this is from the Gay rights advicates, that the infulex of new voters... mostly African American really affected the voting against gay marriage. My thinking though is that most new voters went with a straight ticket vote, which would not include the gay marriage vote. And the voters who were more experienced went into the vote and voted either way and the will of the "experienced voters of California" spoke on that issue.

Democracy works because everyones vote counts for exactly one vote and that one vote can be in one instance with one opinion and the next decison can be with a completely separate opinion. But mostly, in my opinion, it comes down to laziness... straight party voting. That type of voting can have a huge effect on non party related votes.

I guarantee that the backers of the gay marriage in California were convinced that there was no way that vote would go against, especially with the many Democrat voters, I think they misinterpreted why those people were voting or that they even gave a thought to that part of the ballot.
 
I hesitated getting into politics here, but find this very civil....

Just my humble opinion, but McCain gets blown out of the water without Palin. Like I said before, I think some folks mishandled her and McCain.

Agree that Jindal is a leading candidate.....Newt is a lurker from what I hear..
 
mrcoachdude said:
I hesitated getting into politics here, but find this very civil....

Just my humble opinion, but McCain gets blown out of the water without Palin. Like I said before, I think some folks mishandled her and McCain.

Agree that Jindal is a leading candidate.....Newt is a lurker from what I hear..
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The wise old salesman once said....If my customer is a democrat I'm a democrat, if my customer is a republican I'm a republican......;)
 
mrcoachdude said:
I hesitated getting into politics here, but find this very civil....

Just my humble opinion, but McCain gets blown out of the water without Palin. Like I said before, I think some folks mishandled her and McCain.

Agree that Jindal is a leading candidate.....Newt is a lurker from what I hear..
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Curious, do you think that if he chooses, Romney, Guliani someone such as those two he still gets blown out of the water? Those two would have brought stablity, less surprises and much more of a "team".

Just my opinion but I think Palin and her surprises really distructed McCains campaign.
 
I am thinking Palin created a huge following that energized folks to get out and vote.

I felt that Romney would have been the best choice from the people that I knew. I had never heard of Palin, until her appointment to the ticket.

I just don't think it would have made much difference. McCain was buried by the economic callapse.
 
houstontxbrave said:
McCain tried as best as he could to keep tact in this race. But keeping the whole Ayers..which is a silly thing to begin with or the Wright thing... which is not as silly, off the board a bit, were McCain's decisions, but I am guessing those were decisions based on some of his relationships that could have used some further explaination and focus.

The California thing to me is a little ironic, yes the Hollywood left is pleased with Obama, but and this is from the Gay rights advicates, that the infulex of new voters... mostly African American really affected the voting against gay marriage. My thinking though is that most new voters went with a straight ticket vote, which would not include the gay marriage vote. And the voters who were more experienced went into the vote and voted either way and the will of the "experienced voters of California" spoke on that issue.

Democracy works because everyones vote counts for exactly one vote and that one vote can be in one instance with one opinion and the next decison can be with a completely separate opinion. But mostly, in my opinion, it comes down to laziness... straight party voting. That type of voting can have a huge effect on non party related votes.

I guarantee that the backers of the gay marriage in California were convinced that there was no way that vote would go against, especially with the many Democrat voters, I think they misinterpreted why those people were voting or that they even gave a thought to that part of the ballot.
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I doubt if any of McCain's friends blew up police stations, etc and said they weren't sorry, or said God****America. But you're right he might have had a few shady friends, as we all do at one time or another. As for the Hollywood group, I still say they can't have it both ways. In real America, not 'R' rated land evidently, voters decide who wins and loses and that's why it's a Democracy. In closing, I think we all have to hope Obama does the job and everybody works together, not like the last 8 years. Gotta go, Hannitys on.
 
Chico said:
I doubt if any of McCain's friends blew up police stations, etc and said they weren't sorry, or said God****America. But you're right he might have had a few shady friends, as we all do at one time or another. As for the Hollywood group, I still say they can't have it both ways. In real America, not 'R' rated land evidently, voters decide who wins and loses and that's why it's a Democracy. In closing, I think we all have to hope Obama does the job and everybody works together, not like the last 8 years. Gotta go, Hannitys on.
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Ok this is sliding the wrong way when you start bring Hannity into a discussion.

I am honestly not even sure what you mean when you refer to a Real America? I was under the impression America was pretty much any state that was in the 50 United States but I guess somewhere there is a "Real America and their vote decide who wins and loses. How wrong I am to believe "everyones" votes counted equal.

Do you mean Hollywood cant have what both ways, a democratic president and what you believe is purely liberal/democratic issue? It is very assumpative of you to believe that gay marriage is strictly a liberal/democratic issue. I thought it was a people issue and news flash not every California gay person is also a liberal democrat. But I would imagine in the Real America that is what all beleive.

And Ill leave you with this when it comes to relationships...

G Gordon Libby
Charles Keating

What makes those relationships much more acceptable then the ones you have tried to focus on? Oh wait maybe those two are part of Real America and Ayers and Wright could never be, so one relationship is wrong while the other is ok... well because Real America says so??????
 
Worst thing you can do now days is tell it like it is. My point about Hollywood, which I thought would be easy to understand, is that they call it democracy when who they want elected is elected, but raise hell when the same voters don't vote for what they want. Thats it's for me on this subect, the elections are over and it's time for Bradley Basketball. You talk politics, I'll talk sports on this sports board.
 
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