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NCAA Decision on Indiana: No Penalties, Only Probation!

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according to Indianapolis Star
http://www.indystar.com/article/20081124/SPORTS0601/81124054


should we do a pick-em on how severe?

--nothing at all...they've suffered enough
--minimal penalties, since they've really suffered enough
--mild penalties, just to make it look like the NCAA people are earning their 6-figure salaries -- really - haven't they already been penalized enough?
--moderate penalties, like making their coaches attend seminars and self-imposed probation for 2-3 weeks -
since Tom Crean and the Big Ten Commissioner think they've already suffered enough
--severe penalties like maybe actually keep track of cell phone calls and giving up one or two days on the recruiting trail -
this is unlikely though, since their subsequently cancelled self-imposed sanctions would have been tough enough
had they actually been imposed and followed instead of being cancelled.

or the unthinkable....will the NCAA be bold enough to actually give IU penalties on par with what they've been doling out to
University of District of Columbia and Salem International University??
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9991
 
I'm thinking Dunce cap to be worn by all IU Athletic Department employees while in public for the entire year.:oops:


Seriously though, I expect some rhetoric by the NCAA on how IU moved quicky and imposed sanctions on themselves and removed the problem from the University, therefore there will be minimal penalties imposed by the NCAA.
 
There is apparently some info "leaking out"...

according to a report by the Bloomington (IN) Herald Times...
"The NCAA will announce today that Indiana University??™s basketball program will
be put on three years probation, but will receive no additional sanctions,
according to a source close to the investigation.

The announcement will be made during a 4 p.m. NCAA teleconference with
reporters from across the country. Reaction from IU officials, including coach
Tom Crean, is expected this evening."


If this is true...it is less than a wrist slap...it is just a caution not to break too many
more rules or they might then get the wrist slap!
I thought sure at least a meaningless one year post season ban....even tho we all know
there's not a chance in he!! of them actually getting to the post season this year,
would have at least looked like they were trying to be fair..but NOT!!

I am really disheartened if this is the case...looks like the first option on my pick-em wins!


"IU To Receive Three Years Probation"
http://blogs.heraldtimesonline.com/iusp/
 
The precedent is set, the BCS is rejoicing. Let the cheating commence.

If this were BU or any other mid to low major, they'd be receiving the equivalent of the death penalty.
 
Not exactly shocking. Even if the NCAA gave Indiana any sort of punishment it wasnt going to be significant. Instead they simply decided to essentially do nothing, and if Indiana did anything wrong in the next 3 years they would consider something harsh... whatever the NCAA has zero credibility.

Curious though does Sampson have any long term penalties from the NCAA like Bozeman where he essentially can not coach again in the NCAA?

If not I guess everyone just kinda walks away from all of this.
 
Not exactly shocking. Even if the NCAA gave Indiana any sort of punishment it wasnt going to be significant. Instead they simply decided to essentially do nothing, and if Indiana did anything wrong in the next 3 years they would consider something harsh... whatever the NCAA has zero credibility.

Curious though does Sampson have any long term penalties from the NCAA like Bozeman where he essentially can not coach again in the NCAA?

If not I guess everyone just kinda walks away from all of this.

The funny thing is, Indiana and Sampson were already on a sort of 'probation' when all of this happened. Indiana was warned, as was Sampson. Obviously those warnings meant nothing.
 
Not arguing with you guys at all... because I think it is BS that they won't have anything happen to them...

But would you consider the Michigan violations and penalties (fab 5 years) be the exception to the rule that BCS schools don't get penalized like they should? They had some pretty serious violations... and some pretty serious penalties as well...

Just wondering what your thoughts were on that?
 
Ha, glad you brought that one up...but your memory has failed..

THE NCAA totaly dropped the ball on this one when they did investigate...
Note their ruling completely exonerated Michigan!!
http://www.ur.umich.edu/9798/Oct15_97/ncaa.htm

those violations had happened more than a decade before, and only after years and years and years of embarrassing revelations of how the NCAA missed the evidence, turned a blind eye, ignore the facts, fumbled the entire investigation, swept the evidence under the rug to protect Michigan, then it still came down to the people at Michigan finally admitting it was all true and essentially forcing the NCAA to finally go along with the obvious and take the championships away.
But in the end, nobody at all actually got punished except the fans of UM who can no longer lay claim to the title.


The NCAA ignored the evidence and gave Michigan a pass for a full decade until federal investigators checking out tax fraud uncovered all the hundreds of thousands of dollars funneled to recruits to come to Michigan (even then it was only after the man who gave all the money had died and investigations into his assets and gambling connections proved what everyone already knew), and then finally the school itself admitted it was all true and voluntarily gave up the wins and the titles.
THE NCAA had nothing to do with this and obviously was completely caught with its pants down having given UM a complete pass despite the violations...but went along with the school's self-imposed penalties!
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-387795.html

This example you give is one of the strongest proofs of my contentions.

BTW-- Chris Webber lied to a grand jury and still got off scott-free!
http://www.michigandaily.com/content/chris-webber-pleads-guilty-criminal-contempt
 
Kinda related.. But I remember thinking when everything with steroids in baseball and grand juries and all that back to Webber's case. Just about everyone on earth knew he was bold face lying to a grand jury and nothing came of it. Sure, the guys death probably helped his cause but it wasn't the defining moment. I just laughed off the idea that anything would ever come of these steroid investigations and that people would tell the truth to make themselves good, avoid full disclosure to look good, and then lie to look good. I was shocked when I heard Bonds might be prosecuted. Still nothing has happened with any of that. So the lesson here is lie, cheat and snake your way to the top.. even if it involves a federal grand jury (as long as you don't have a few thousand employees that an fully vested in your retirement plans).
 
but oddly, at the times many of those players used steroids, the league actually had no rules against it
 
My memory didn't fail... I was only about 9 during the Fab 5 years... but thank you for the details surrounding that situation... I honestly didn't know any of it besides the end result... which was obviously more recently.
 
it wasn't meant to suggest too much about your memory, 21, more that the history seems to get "rewritten" and this isn't the first time I have heard someone point to Michigan as an example of the NCAA hammering a BCS school.
but to set the record straight, the NCAA acted on UM kicking a screaming, as they obviously wanted this one kept hush and swept under the carpet, and give UM a free pass.

the same was true at Kentucky as they only acted when news reports proved money was falling out of the packages their basketball coaches were sending to players.
Even then, if you review the ruling in that Kentucky case...they completely exonerated Kentucky of giving money to recruits, and instead found only that a recruit had been given some help in passing his ACT...thus they imparted rather soft penalties and UK was strong enough to win a national title within a couple years.


PS-- here's more on how easy the NCAA is on the major schools even when they are totally corrupt
http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1309
 
Can anyone say USC, OJ Mayo, Reggie Bush! The NCAA is nothing but a bunch of paid off mercenaries. Again let's compare them to what we have going on in our nation's capital. $$$$ talks and the he$$ with any moral or true justice being played out. Our complete moral and ethical breakdown in our society being played out again.

Large Corporate Business = BCS Schools
Small Medium Business = The Mid-Majors
Lobbyist = TV and commercial interest
NCAA = Our Politicians

Really not so different when you think about it.
 
Can anyone say USC, OJ Mayo, Reggie Bush! The NCAA is nothing but a bunch of paid off mercenaries. Again let's compare them to what we have going on in our nation's capital. $$$$ talks and the he$$ with any moral or true justice being played out. Our complete moral and ethical breakdown in our society being played out again.

Large Corporate Business = BCS Schools
Small Medium Business = The Mid-Majors
Lobbyist = TV and commercial interest
NCAA = Our Politicians

Really not so different when you think about it.

Basketball used to be an escape...
 
So just what does it say when your school gets handed its penalties by the NCAA, yet
the message boards are all celebrating and "cheering" at the news of the soft penalties?
What it says is that even all the Hoosier fans know they deserves way worse and got of essentially free & clear.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=170&f=2353&t=3473627



The other aspect is they are all hating on and blaming Sampson...the very guy the same people were celebrating as long as he got them 5-Star recruits and 25 wins. They wanted the guy bad enough to take a known cheater, so who should they really blame? The very people who are blaming Kelvin also supported the guy right up to when he was booted and supported his buyout, even though the evidence had been clear for MONTHS that he was still cheating.
 
A little longer write through from the AP

A little longer write through from the AP

The NCAA placed Indiana University on three years' probation Tuesday for a telephone recruiting scandal that decimated the once-storied basketball program.
The governing body also imposed stiff penalties on an assistant and former coach Kelvin Sampson, who made more than 100 impermissible phone calls to recruits made while still on probation for a similar phone-call scandal at Oklahoma.
The penalties cap a 20-month saga that began with Sampson's hiring in March 2006.
"It's bittersweet," said current Indiana coach Tom Crean, with the team in Hawaii. "We didn't want to lose postseason, scholarships or television. Thank God we didn't lose any of those so we can continue to move the program without the what-ifs."
The NCAA faulted the university for inadequate monitoring when Sampson was hired but acknowledged the former coach's conduct was "unprecedented."
Sampson, an assistant with the Milwaukee Bucks, repeatedly has denied the violations and did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
"He ignored signed compliance agreements with the institution in which he agreed to comply with the penalties imposed on him and his program due to his commission of violations in the Oklahoma case," the NCAA report said. "He ignored telephone penalties imposed on him in that case and committed the same type violations for which he had already been penalized during the same time that those penalties were in effect."
The NCAA imposed restrictions on Sampson through November 2013 should he return to college coaching. Former assistant Rob Senderoff, now an assistant at Kent State, also faces three years of NCAA sanctions.
The probation comes in addition to sanctions IU already has imposed.
Only two players from last season's team remain. The others were kicked off, transferred, graduated or left early for the NBA. The team has just nine scholarship players on the team instead of the 13 allowed after giving up scholarships because of the NCAA investigation and poor academic scores.
"I was gratified they accepted the penalties and added nothing new to it, and that's good," said Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, who's in Hawaii for the EA Sports Maui Invitational. "They recognized that the program had been devastated by the penalties and the departure of virtually of the whole team. While it's the end of a dark chapter, hopefully it is the beginning of a new chapter.
No Indiana sports program had been found guilty of a major NCAA violation since 1960.
Even though Indiana intended to closely monitor Sampson and his assistants, the university fell short, the report said. The school did not have a good system in place when Sampson was hired and had to develop one "on the fly," and compliance officials did not follow on phone record requests in a timely manner and focused too much on collaboration with the men's basketball program and not enough on adhering to requirements, the NCAA said.
Indiana officials discovered the violations during an investigation that began in July 2007. It reported the calls to the NCAA but characterized them as secondary violations.
The NCAA disagreed. In February, it charged the university with committing major infractions and accused Sampson of providing false and misleading information to investigators -- an allegation Sampson continues to deny. It added the failure to monitor charge in June after Indiana officials testified at a hearing on the initial charges.
"The way I look at in retrospect it was a hire that was questionable," Delany said. "At the time I, like a lot of people, thought the guy had made a mistake and it was giving a person a chance. The compliance program was geared up but not to the level necessary."
Indiana, however, contended it did everything possible to prevent the violations and argued that its self-imposed penalties should be sufficient. Those include stripping scholarships and strict limits on recruiting for Crean, who came from Marquette to take over the Hoosiers program after the university bought out Sampson's contract for $750,000 in February.
None of Sampson's assistants was retained, and athletic director Rick Greenspan announced his resignation the same day the failure to monitor charge was filed. He will leave at the end of December and be replaced by Indianapolis attorney Fred Glass.
When Glass was hired last month, he said removing the stain of basketball scandal was a priority.
"Our place is one that has always followed the rules," Glass said. "I think we can have that again."
 
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