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ISU 53 - Winston Salem State 33

Florida and Michigan State are great games to get... but if you lose, I don't see how it is much more beneficial then winning a bunch of cupcake games...

RPI and SOS are meaningless...

They are NOT used when it could help a non-BCS team and ARE used when it can help a BCS team get into the field of 65
 
RedbirdFan21 said:
Florida and Michigan State are great games to get... but if you lose, I don't see how it is much more beneficial then winning a bunch of cupcake games...

RPI and SOS are meaningless...

They are NOT used when it could help a non-BCS team and ARE used when it can help a BCS team get into the field of 65
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Yes, but being as our conference isn't considered of high merit by the committee means their conference schedule doesn't mean squat then what do you have left?

Your non con wins are not quality by any means....so really, what would there be to be proud of?

What could they say about the resume?


If Missouri State couldn't get in a few years back then why would ISU when they haven't played anyone at all?
 
I really wish that ISU would have challenged themselves this season. The program owes its fans and the players the opportunity to play good teams and give themselves a chance for an at large to the NCAA tourney.

It appears that the Head Coach and the schools AD took the thought of what their resume will look like to prosepective employers over everything else.

ISU will have to sweep the non conference and likely can only lose 3- maybe 4 conference games to get any consideration for an atlarge. Even then it would be a last in scenerio.

It really appears they did not learn anything from last season. Regardless of what Cp says their schedule hindered them from an atlarge and it will do the exact same this year, and it will also hinder the Valley.
 
RedbirdFan21 said:
Florida and Michigan State are great games to get... but if you lose, I don't see how it is much more beneficial then winning a bunch of cupcake games...

RPI and SOS are meaningless...

They are NOT used when it could help a non-BCS team and ARE used when it can help a BCS team get into the field of 65
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You're right.....that 7-0 record is extremely impressive and should get you in! Not sure how much respect or votes in the polls you'll be getting this week though!
 
houstontxbrave said:
I really wish that ISU would have challenged themselves this season. The program owes its fans and the players the opportunity to play good teams and give themselves a chance for an at large to the NCAA tourney.
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Really? What fans? The 4,000 that decide an isu game is worth their time, effort, and money?
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
Yes, but being as our conference isn't considered of high merit by the committee means their conference schedule doesn't mean squat then what do you have left?

Your non con wins are not quality by any means....so really, what would there be to be proud of?

What could they say about the resume?


If Missouri State couldn't get in a few years back then why would ISU when they haven't played anyone at all?
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I don't disagree with this statement.

Listen, no one is trying to justify ISU's horrendous schedule... it sucks... horrible... bad... embarrassing... I know...

But if we replaced FL and MSU with 2 of our cupcakes... and lost to both of them... would we be looked at in an more of a favorable light then we are now? Maybe some think so... but I dont...
 
RedbirdFan21 said:
Florida and Michigan State are great games to get... but if you lose, I don't see how it is much more beneficial then winning a bunch of cupcake games...

RPI and SOS are meaningless...

They are NOT used when it could help a non-BCS team and ARE used when it can help a BCS team get into the field of 65
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But the outcomes are not known until the games are played......just like the lotto you can't win if you don't play em.
 
dogsrus said:
But the outcomes are not known until the games are played......just like the lotto you can't win if you don't play em.
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I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until I'm proven wrong......someone is just passing through that town on their way to bigger things.
 
So a game against Michigan State on national TV on a Sunday afternoon is a meaningless game unless you win it?
Or game against a top RPI team like Butler, on midwest regional TV?


If that's what the folks at ISU think then it explains why you'd rather get Winston Salem State.
But-- I'll take the games against top opponents that get the team on TV over the kind of games that don't even fill 1/2 the lower bowl at RA.
 
tornado said:
So a game against Michigan State on national TV on a Sunday afternoon is a meaningless game unless you win it?
Or game against a top RPI team like Butler, on midwest regional TV?


If that's what the folks at ISU think then it explains why you'd rather get Winston Salem State.
But-- I'll take the games against top opponents that get the team on TV over the kind of games that don't even fill 1/2 the lower bowl at RA.
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I never said they were meaningless... I said that RPI and SOS are meaningless...

A game on national TV is always good for recruiting, amongst other things. But that can work both ways... if you lose to MSU by 40 on national TV (i.e. ISU/Drake MVC Final Last year)... I think that does more damage then good...

Again, no one is justifying the WEAK @SS schedule that ISU has. Would I rather play FL and MSU- YES!!! But my point is, just because you have these good games, they do not always have the good impact that it seems they will/do have...

And will you please stop saying "top RPI team in Butler"... its not funny anymore :lol:
 
tornado said:
Ha, ha....talk about blind and naive...

East Tennesse State - RPI 85


Nicholls State - RPI 235
Morehead State - RPI 338 (out of 343)
Wright State - RPI 336
Houston Baptist - RPI 339
Winston Salem - RPI 255

nice try.....but the opponents for ISU are in a whole different RPI-universe from BU's opponents.

See the thread about BU's upcoming opponent being the 31 RPI and #1 SOS team!
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10084
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I would say it is equally naive for anyone to be using realtimerpi.com as the primary means to compare teams at this point in the season. Just look at where some teams are slotted in the realtimerpi right now...it is comical.

Evansville is #6 in realtimeRPI right now...so you must believe they are going to run away with the Valley this year...right?

Illinois is #7 in the realtimeRPI right now...so I assume you must be penciling them in for a 30 win season and a Big Ten championship...right?

George Mason is #8 in the realtimeRPI right now...even though they have lost to the "powerhouse" Hampton squad already this year and have beaten no one of consequence. If this realtimeRPI is such a great tool to compare the strength of different teams, explain to me how George Mason is anywhere near the top of these rankings....can you?

Arkansas State is #11 in the realtimeRPI right now...do you believe they are one of the top 20 teams in the country? You must, since the almighty realtimeRPI says so.

Oh and if you still think there is any shred of credibility in these hoky early season RPI rankings...North Carolina is #15 right now...even though they are 5-0...they have demolished Notre Dame and every other team they have played...they are the undisputed #1 team in the country...and yet this silly realtimeRPI tool has Evansville 8 spots ahead of UNC...Evansville, who has beaten Buffalo and Austin Peay and gotten destroyed by a down Butler team...they have somehow graded out above UNC in this goofy realtimeRPI system...

So do you still put you blind faith in these RPI numbers this early in the season? I would certainly hope you aren't that naive.
 
shaunguth said:
Really? What fans? The 4,000 that decide an isu game is worth their time, effort, and money?
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Seriously if ISU puts a good product on the floor versus good competition Basketball fans will come out an support their program... they have in the past.

But when you play poor comepetition throughout your non conference only the die hards will make it a point to get out and support the program.

I truely believe you substitute Winston Salem State with lets say DePaul.. they have 7500+ in house.
 
ER3 said:
I would say it is equally naive for anyone to be using realtimerpi.com as the primary means to compare teams at this point in the season. Just look at where some teams are slotted in the realtimerpi right now...it is comical.
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True. But I'm sure if you looked at ETSU's RPI over the last 10-15 years you would also see that they are a Top-100 school.
 
I think he's admitted enough that there are teams where the rpi is going to shift significantly and that there are flaws in it this early. However, I think the reason why he is posting the rpi's for those teams that ISU has played so far is because those rpi's aren't likely to change much. Let's come back to reality a bit and look at this logically. Yes Evansville will not be a top 10 rpi team but every single team that ISU has played so far will not likely finish above 200 rpi barring Wright State. The bottom line is ISU is playing a terrible schedule and people need to stop complaining about it and about listing their rpi's. We all know they are bad teams and its fun to poke fun at how weak of a schedule ISU has...and rpi does that.

cool your jets
 
RedbirdFan21 said:
...

RPI and SOS are meaningless...

They are NOT used when it could help a non-BCS team and ARE used when it can help a BCS team get into the field of 65
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I am late to this discussion, but I must admit I agree with this. The RPI is a tool created to help the selection committee (explain why they selected 20-7 Syracuse over 18-12 Non-BCS team). Then SOS was discussed as reasons for taking BCS schools over Non-BCS.

Now the hot talk has been why the RPI is an out-dated junk tool the Mid-Majors have exploited to get at-large considerations.
 
MacabreMob said:
I am late to this discussion, but I must admit I agree with this. The RPI is a tool created to help the selection committee (explain why they selected 20-7 Syracuse over 18-12 Non-BCS team). Then SOS was discussed as reasons for taking BCS schools over Non-BCS.

Now the hot talk has been why the RPI is an out-dated junk tool the Mid-Majors have exploited to get at-large considerations.
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Explaining the pluses and minuses of RPI and SOS to the committee is like explaining to a child why you didn't tell them that Santa Claus isn't real.
 
SaintLouBrave22 said:
Explaining the pluses and minuses of RPI and SOS to the committee is like explaining to a child why you didn't tell them that Santa Claus isn't real.
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Whew - wow.

Ok - they don't believe in Santa Claus. They ARE Santa Claus and they are deciding on who gets a new toy this Christmas. And they change their criteria every year to fit their field of participants.
 
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