ALL is well now...

[MacabreMob]

I can believe it was for that instead of the "hanging on the rim" rule. Maybe the interpretation got confused in transmitting the ruling to the scorer's table. Although it's hard to believe that since the officials were at the scorer's table for a long time, and the PA guy is right there.

All I heard was the T had to be called when he (TW) slapped it with 2 hands. I didn't know what that meant, what he slapped, and didn't ask. The officials were communicating info first that the basket counted, then a foul, then a technical called by a different official... all this was told to the Official Scorer, which they then had to describe whether it was a type A or type B technical (this case a B so no personal foul or team foul counted against Wilson and Bradley). All this was told to the Official Scorer which btw - is usually 2-4 seats away from the PA and doesn't hear what is said - so the PA makes some assumptions, some being errors from time to time.

 

[Buesch N Chips]

AT got some time, certainly has energy, almost a little too manic out there. Still, he runs the floor very well for a big man. Getting him time now will help him in the future.

 

[BradleyBrave]

AT got some time, certainly has energy, almost a little too manic out there. Still, he runs the floor very well for a big man. Getting him time now will help him in the future.

He is so smooth running the court and so long, I really think the sky is the limit as far as what he can be, especially defensively. I want him getting big minutes the rest of the year.

 

[SFP]

I still say we should be able to see AT and DC at the same time.

I would like to see DC getting the basket further from the rim and taking 10-15' shots. He has a good shot and should be used more like a 4 in a true offensive set. Just because he is a 7' does not mean he is a center. You ned a little bit more toughness as a 5 and DC just does not have that in him.

AT on the O should be around the basket only and please keep him from setting screens up top, he's just not big enough to make that much of a difference.

So have DC set the screens step towards the basket for a high pass ans then the shot. He did hit a few from inside the key last year during the CBI. We have not run any of those plays and I ma wondering if JL is keeping a few plays for conference play.

 

[dogsrus]

On a side note, what happened to that guy just before halftime near section 20? I saw everyone looking up that way and I turned around just in time to see them carrying him into the corridor. Then saw the medics wheeling the stretcher in a couple minutes later during halftime.

Jason

When I saw him down in the section below me I ran down to help. They were carting him off to find a flat surface. I backed off when it appeared he was in good hands. Hats off to the PCC who had a nurse and called 911 very quickly.

I was impressed with how they handled the entire situation. It appeared as if it was a cardiac problem as they had his shirt open and looked as though they were doing CPR.

Again I stepped away when I saw they had it under control.

He was given an IV and taken away after about 20 minutes......I hope and pray he was/is OK.

Again EXCELLENT job by those standing by AND the PCC.

 

[Out of Bounce]

When I saw him down in the section below me I ran down to help. They were carting him off to find a flat surface. I backed off when it appeared he was in good hands. Hats off to the PCC who had a nurse and called 911 very quickly.

I was impressed with how they handled the entire situation. It appeared as if it was a cardiac problem as they had his shirt open and looked as though they were doing CPR.

Again I stepped away when I saw they had it under control.

He was given an IV and taken away after about 20 minutes......I hope and pray he was/is OK.

Again EXCELLENT job by those standing by AND the PCC.

Just before they wheeled him off, he was sitting half way in a up right position on the cart. He was wearing a oxygen mask and appeared to be conscious. I felt bad as his wife was there by his side watching them work on him. I to thought it was an excellent job to get the guy out of the seating area and to a area where they could go to work on him. I to hope for the best for him and his family.

 

[Chico]

I didn't mind the T called on TW. Hopefully that will cure him of his hot dogging on practically every shot around the basket and the glaring at opponents after he scores. He did it against Butler and we were down by 10. I thought I saw the Butler player look at the scoreboard to remind him what the score was. The only really bad call I saw was when a Bradley player, I think DD or TW, was driving to the basket for an easy layup and the SEMO defender grabbed his arm. Should have been an intentional foul call.

 

[Out of Bounce]

I didn't mind the T called on TW. Hopefully that will cure him of his hot dogging on practically every shot around the basket and the glaring at opponents after he scores. He did it against Butler and we were down by 10. I thought I saw the Butler player look at the scoreboard to remind him what the score was. The only really bad call I saw was when a Bradley player, I think DD or TW, was driving to the basket for an easy layup and the SEMO defender grabbed his arm. Should have been an intentional foul call.

I saw that one to Chico, it was TW.

 

[braves12]

I am glad BU won. I liked the intensity on defense to start the game. Thought it relaxed after the big lead was gotten. Outside shooting is an issue for this team right now. I think BU has some good freshman, but they need time and experience. I actually saw some good block outs on rebounding, TW crashed for the boards, and TW actually fake pumped under the basket and got the defense in the air before going up to lay it in......woohooooooooo!

I have a question that some of the smarter basketball minds can answer. I notice that most of the time when the bigs set a screen out towards the top, they roll the opposite way that I learned decades ago. They do not roll where they can always see the man with the ball. Why is this?

 

[tornado]

Singh appeared to have a couple stitches put in the bridge of his nose when he went to the lockerroom.
He caught an elbow and had a gash and was bleeding.
He came back out and sat the rest of the first half, word was he felt a little dizzy.
He did not come back out in the 2nd half until only about 10 min. left but still didn't play.
He will be fine by next game.

 

[SaintLouBrave22]

Singh appeared to have a couple stitches put in the bridge of his nose when he went to the lockerroom.
He caught an elbow and had a gash and was bleeding.
He came back out and sat the rest of the first half, word was he felt a little dizzy.
He did not come back out in the 2nd half until only about 10 min. left but still didn't play.
He will be fine by next game.

If he has a broken nose like was stated in post-game, I would expect him to miss at least the next 2-3 games while they have to fit him for a face guard...

They then will wait until after the season most likely to fix the break...


I would be astonished to see him play Sat. unless the diagnosis was not true.

 

[BU_EMT128]

...they had his shirt open and looked as though they were doing CPR.

Just to clarify some things from a medical standpoint, having a shirt open is often done simply to place a monitor on a patient. Does this indicate cardiac problems? Not always, as I tend to put a monitor on for difficulty breathing, anxiety, etc just to get a feel for what is going on.

Just before they wheeled him off, he was sitting half way in a up right position on the cart. He was wearing a oxygen mask and appeared to be concuss...

Being conscious (I assume that was the word you were looking for OOB, lol), wearing an O2 mask, and sitting up makes me highly doubt that CPR was being done. Although I was not at the game today (my time was occupied with work), if CPR has to be done, the patient does not sit up and wear an oxygen mask, they lay down so CPR and various other medical procedures can be performed (and then the fact they are not breathing makes it difficult to sit up). Based on my experience, and judging by the descriptions i read, it sounds like a heart attack.

 

[BU_EMT128]

He was given an IV and taken away after about 20 minutes......

Also, we EMT's don't like to sit around for 20 minutes if we have a patient in full arrest requiring CPR!

 

[warren5]

i for one am not pleased

they played too much in spurts, were up 14 at haltime but then with 18:20 left in the second half were only up 7 you cannot do that against teams like Creighton, SIU or ISU.

SEMO is/was terrible. They didnt even make shots in warmups.

Our opponent seems like they always have a guy score 20 on us.

When they gave up the quick 7-0 run to start the half, I call a timeout Jim Les. Your trying to prove to your guys that not putting in 110% is going to get you benched, well i believe that is the perfect opportunity to send that message. Pull all there butts (lack of a better word) out of the game.

 

[wily coyote]

You are right that the word awkwardly does not appear in the rule, but it is considered by the refs. In fact, your words "avoid landing on a player underneath" don't appear in the rule, either.

Here is the NCAA rule with the exact wording--

Section 3. Hanging/Grasping on the Ring​

Players should not be permitted to hang on or grasp the basket ring in an
excessive, emphatic manner during dunks when there is no possibility of a
resulting injury occurring. The intent of the rule does not permit a player
to hold the ring and lift his or her body or legs, or in general, hang on or
grasp the ring for emphasis. This is especially true for a player who dunks​

the ball on a breakaway or when no defender is nearby. Injuries, sometimes
serious, can occur as a result of grasping/hanging on the ring. Game delays
also result when damaged equipment must be fixed or replaced. When there
is no obvious injury circumstance to be avoided by grasping/hanging on the
ring, doing so in an emphatic matter is a (Men) CLASS B and (Women)​

Player/Substitute technical foul.
​

Art. 3. Technical Fouls.....​

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​

​

c. (MEN) CLASS A and CLASS B technical fouls. A CLASS A
technical foul involves unsportsmanlike conduct or behavior by a
player, substitute, coach or bench personnel. A CLASS B technical
foul is an infraction of the rules that neither involves contact with an
opponent nor causes contact with an opponent and falls below the
limit of an unsportsmanlike act. Examples of CLASS A and CLASS
B technical fouls shall include:
1. Unsportsmanlike conduct; using profanity, vulgarity, taunting,
baiting (CLASS A);
2. Requesting an excessive timeout (CLASS B); and
3. Hanging on the ring, except when doing so to prevent an injury
(CLASS B).​

So it's states very simply that the exception is when doing so to prevent injury. That includes injury to the player doing the hanging, or to anyone else.​

Your last sentence is correct. Now i'll explain what that means. The intent of the rule is simple. The ONLY time it includes the player doing the hanging is when there IS a player beneath the basket on the floor, where landing may cause an injury to either player. If I'm understanding you correctly, Your saying the officials would have to determine if the dunker could be injured with no one under the basket and that would be false on the test and there would never be a technical called unless the guilty party swung from the rim and that is just not how the rule is applied. T was in the process of dunking was fouled, hung on the rim with no one underneath him and th Technical was the correct call. If someone had been on the floor beneath him that would not have been the case. That is plain and simple the intent of the rule and how it is applied. You are trying to read something into this situation that is just not there. To make this real simple just remember NEVER hang unless a body is beneath you and we will never have this call again.

 

[dogsrus]

Just to clarify some things from a medical standpoint, having a shirt open is often done simply to place a monitor on a patient. Does this indicate cardiac problems? Not always, as I tend to put a monitor on for difficulty breathing, anxiety, etc just to get a feel for what is going on.



Being conscious (I assume that was the word you were looking for OOB, lol), wearing an O2 mask, and sitting up makes me highly doubt that CPR was being done. Although I was not at the game today (my time was occupied with work), if CPR has to be done, the patient does not sit up and wear an oxygen mask, they lay down so CPR and various other medical procedures can be performed (and then the fact they are not breathing makes it difficult to sit up). Based on my experience, and judging by the descriptions i read, it sounds like a heart attack.

You open the shirt to expose the skin for a defib. also...as I stated I left as I saw he was in good hands and thats why I stated it APPEARED they were doing or going to start CPR. They were doing all the prelim stuff like watching his breathing, checking his pulse.....but I left and never actually witnessed any CPR.

He was on the ground, flat on his back for at least 20 minutes and and was placed on a cart after that. He wasn't sitting up on the ground under his own power. They CERTAINLY could have performed CPR then placed him on the gurney for transportation.

Again, I hope and pray he is OK.

 

[Out of Bounce]

Just to clarify some things from a medical standpoint, having a shirt open is often done simply to place a monitor on a patient. Does this indicate cardiac problems? Not always, as I tend to put a monitor on for difficulty breathing, anxiety, etc just to get a feel for what is going on.



Being conscious (I assume that was the word you were looking for OOB, lol), wearing an O2 mask, and sitting up makes me highly doubt that CPR was being done. Although I was not at the game today (my time was occupied with work), if CPR has to be done, the patient does not sit up and wear an oxygen mask, they lay down so CPR and various other medical procedures can be performed (and then the fact they are not breathing makes it difficult to sit up). Based on my experience, and judging by the descriptions i read, it sounds like a heart attack.

Ya, that was it, conscious. Changed it, thanks.

 

[tornado]

just like a foul call, the officials have the leeway to use their judgement on technicals...

essentially it is a technical when the ref says it is, and the rule books aren't really relevent.

 

[it's boogie time]

If he has a broken nose like was stated in post-game, I would expect him to miss at least the next 2-3 games while they have to fit him for a face guard...

They then will wait until after the season most likely to fix the break...

I would be astonished to see him play Sat. unless the diagnosis was not true.

I'm not a doctor, but I did break my nose during a basketball season back in the day. I was able to play right away without a mask or anything. After I had the surgury a week later, I was out for a couple of weeks and had to return with a mask.

 

[LG281]

Your last sentence is correct. Now i'll explain what that means. The intent of the rule is simple. The ONLY time it includes the player doing the hanging is when there IS a player beneath the basket on the floor, where landing may cause an injury to either player. If I'm understanding you correctly, Your saying the officials would have to determine if the dunker could be injured with no one under the basket and that would be false on the test and there would never be a technical called unless the guilty party swung from the rim and that is just not how the rule is applied. T was in the process of dunking was fouled, hung on the rim with no one underneath him and th Technical was the correct call. If someone had been on the floor beneath him that would not have been the case. That is plain and simple the intent of the rule and how it is applied. You are trying to read something into this situation that is just not there. To make this real simple just remember NEVER hang unless a body is beneath you and we will never have this call again.

Listen - we know now that he got the T for slapping the glass after he hung on the rim, so it really is silly to keep arguing this. BTW, he really didn't hang that long (no longer than the SEMO player did in the first half) AND he had atleast 3 SEMO defenders bumping him throughout the play. He dodged two before the dunk, was fouled, and had to avoid coming down and colliding with another afterwards.