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CBI and CI postseason tournaments

lake Camelot said:
I looked up the dates for games in the CBI and CI to see if we had available civic center for all games.It looks like we do. That is unless it takes several days to set up for the IHSA. One week the games would be Monday or Tuesday and the IHSA is scheduled for friday. I hope the CIVIC CENTER website is correct on it's schedule.
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I posted this in the CBI & CIT mentioned on Fox Sports thread last week....

FWIW, the Peoria Civic Center is currently available for the first three rounds of the CBI. However, only the date for the opening game of the championship series is available as the Rivermen are playing on the other two nights.

It does appear all dates for the CI tournament are open and maybe that would come into play when deciding which tournament would be best.
 
When you talk about money for these tournaments has anyone asked about the cost of playing in the NCAA. I have read where each team is required to purchase a minimum # of tickets and most teams end up losing money if they get past the 1st round and definetly if they make it the final 4 where each college is required to purchase tickets (read one place it is 2500 but do not know for certain-could be more or less but still a significant #) & make sure their pep band is their also. You end up w/a large travel, motel, & food bill w/ team, school officials, cheerleaders, & band. Most teams lose money.
Having said that I would take either of these other tournaments even if we would loose money although I wouldn't want it to be much in these times.
Also does anyone know for certain if they consider the regular season over so AW could play in one of these types of tournaments since they are not NCAA athough they are NCAA approved? Need an answer for this.
 
I was under the impression that the NCAA is a big money maker for the schools involved. It use to be and maybe still is, a big money maker for the schools conference.
It seems like last I heard the payoff is something like $450,000 of which half goes to the school and half to the schools conference to be divided equally among the members. Not sure about this but that is how I remember it.
Not sure how the NIT works. Anybody know?
 
I'm all for playing in one of these tournaments. Although I would say that it's only really worth it if we give AT and DN significantly more (or in AT's case, any) minutes to give them a chance to develop via actual competition.
 
braveatheart said:
I was under the impression that the NCAA is a big money maker for the schools involved. It use to be and maybe still is, a big money maker for the schools conference.
It seems like last I heard the payoff is something like $450,000 of which half goes to the school and half to the schools conference to be divided equally among the members. Not sure about this but that is how I remember it.
Not sure how the NIT works. Anybody know?
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I don't know exact amounts, but each game a team plays in the NCAA tournament earns around a million dollars. So if a team wins 2 and loses in the Sweet 16, they will earn around 3 million. The money comes from ticket sales, but most is from the sales of TV rights by the NCAA.
If that school was an independent school, they could keep it all. Each conference has different revenue-sharing agreements, but in the MVC, essentially all of it goes to the conference and is shared by the schools.

The NIT pays far less. They basically cover team expenses, and a small payout of a few thousands dollars for each game played.

The CBI agreed separately with each school on what kind of revenue the school would get from each game, and that differed based on whether it was a home game, and how much ticket revenue was guaranteed. I heard Bradley broke even from the CBI, despite playing more games than anyone except Tulsa. Some teams in the CBI lost money.
 
Da Coach said:
I don't know exact amounts, but each game a team plays in the NCAA tournament earns around a million dollars. So if a team wins 2 and loses in the Sweet 16, they will earn around 3 million. The money comes from ticket sales, but most is from the sales of TV rights by the NCAA.
If that school was an independent school, they could keep it all. Each conference has different revenue-sharing agreements, but in the MVC, essentially all of it goes to the conference and is shared by the schools.

The NIT pays far less. They basically cover team expenses, and a small payout of a few thousands dollars for each game played.

The CBI agreed separately with each school on what kind of revenue the school would get from each game, and that differed based on whether it was a home game, and how much ticket revenue was guaranteed. I heard Bradley broke even from the CBI, despite playing more games than anyone except Tulsa. Some teams in the CBI lost money.
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Are you sure about those numbers DC? I read an article about when GM went to the final four and how they said they lost money because of all the expenses involved. ( I wish I could find that article) Of course that might just be if you make it to the final 4 where you are required to do more things. I remember the article telling about all of the requirements they had to meet and it was amazing including some big parties they were required to hold for free. Again I wish I could find that article.
 
The exact amounts are not made public, but there is a lot of money brought in by the NCAA tournament- well over $500 million the last couple years. All team expenses are paid by the NCAA, and there is quite a bit of additional revenue on top of that, which multiplies by the number of games a team plays. For some conferences, the money their teams get for the NCAA tournament is the largest source of income for the league.

However, what you read about George Mason may be true- the actual schools do not get the money, it goes to the conferences. So in some cases, especially where a team might rack up a lot of additional expenses, they could lose money. Here is an article about how this can happen--
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...ies/040408dnspofinalfourexpenses.3be69fc.html
Only certain expenses are covered by the NCAA. Most schools sponsor expensive parties for their boosters, and since the ticket allotment is so small for each school, many schools are forced to buy extra tickets for their players' families and for boosters, and that can get very expensive.
 
Da Coach said:
The exact amounts are not made public, but there is a lot of money brought in by the NCAA tournament- well over $500 million the last couple years. All team expenses are paid by the NCAA, and there is quite a bit of additional revenue on top of that, which multiplies by the number of games a team plays. For some conferences, the money their teams get for the NCAA tournament is the largest source of income for the league.

However, what you read about George Mason may be true- the actual schools do not get the money, it goes to the conferences. So in some cases, especially where a team might rack up a lot of additional expenses, they could lose money. Here is an article about how this can happen--
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...ies/040408dnspofinalfourexpenses.3be69fc.html
Only certain expenses are covered by the NCAA. Most schools sponsor expensive parties for their boosters, and since the ticket allotment is so small for each school, many schools are forced to buy extra tickets for their players' families and for boosters, and that can get very expensive.
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Thanks DC as that is one of the articles I seen and I am sure I seen another one about GM also. It is expensive as a small college to be in one of these final four's but still would be fun and I would think worth it in the long run.
 
It seems to me I heard when B.U. beat purdue to win the N.I.T. they recieved $100,000. plus expenses.Does anyone else remember anything different.
 
I remember the game and the season we had to this day:D We got no love from the NCAA because I think we had an undefeated conference schedule. But I think the NCAA only took 32 teams back then and we lost the MVC championship game:( We had no problem with our NIT run, and I really do believe we could have won the NCAA championship that year.
 
I would love for BU to play in a post season tournament, but am not sure if it would really do anything for next years team. I hope the coaches do some things in the off-season to improve next years team. If not, we will be having this same discussion next year.

Does anyone think we really have a chance to win one of these tournaments. This is not last years team. We have one good win on our resume, and we got that at home. All of our other wins came against subpar teams.
 
Would you just call it a season, and refuse any invitation? Why?

Bradley is a young team. They lose only 1 of their top 5 scorers, and only 1 of their top 5 in minutes played.
They have a lot of young talent returning, plus very good talent joining the team next year. I think additional games this year would benefit the team a lot more than they did last year. From what I have heard, all the players favor playing more games, and all the fans I know agree.
 
Da Coach said:
Would you just call it a season, and refuse any invitation? Why?

Bradley is a young team. They lose only 1 of their top 5 scorers, and only 1 of their top 5 in minutes played.
They have a lot of young talent returning, plus very good talent joining the team next year. I think additional games this year would benefit the team a lot more than they did last year. From what I have heard, all the players favor playing more games, and all the fans I know agree.
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I want more games. I think it will help out EM, DN, and hopefully AT out, as well as let DC and Wilson wear the uniform again.

I dont want the season to stop. The offseason is long enough. I would love to see our team again no matter what team is against us. Granted I am a student so tickets are $1 whoever we play, but thats just me.
 
braveatheart said:
Oh, don't get me wrong, I am all for it. The only downside I can see is potentially cost. My guess is it probably won't cost too much.
I don't know Bradley's money situation this year. A lot of business and non-profits and goverments are looking at cutting budgets 5% or more. If that is the case for the athletic director then he would have to decide wether he can work this into the budget or not.
Endowments are down significantly, I would guess donations are down and I suspect BU has to watch costs even in the best of times. If I was Ken Kavanaugh and had to decide between the CBI and laying off 1 employee, I would have a very tough decision to make. When you are the one who has to lay someone off or cut everyones pay you look at things a little differently. Maybe we are not in that situation, I don't know.
Bradleybrave said, the CI is half the cost of the CBI. I am sure that will be a factor for a lot of schools. Maybe even Bradley.
If we can swing it financially, I am all in.
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Gotcha. I see where you are coming from. Glad to see that we both agree that more games is a good thing. :)

As far as the economy is concerned, well let's just say that paying money to play more games should be a great investment for a bright future! :D
 
The MVC as well as most conferences that I know of split the revenue from the Tourney. That is why we need to up the ante for every school in the league. You either invest in your program or leave. It is so unfair that schools like ours, CU, WSU put a lot into their programs and when they get into the dance they have to share it with Evansville, InSU and even DU. The chances of DU going above .500 again is daunting! The number of fans that attend the MVC is an indication of the resources that each school puts into their programs. The lack of funds going to the conference also plays into the quality of reffing we have to take!:mad:
 
Rusty 54 said:
I want more games. I think it will help out EM, DN, and hopefully AT out, as well as let DC and Wilson wear the uniform again.

I dont want the season to stop. The offseason is long enough. I would love to see our team again no matter what team is against us. Granted I am a student so tickets are $1 whoever we play, but thats just me.
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What about Taylor Brown? Saturday's loss was arguably his 'coming out' party with his Jordan-esque reverse layup and 8 points off the bench. Along with the guys you mentioned (EM, DN, AT), the CIT needs to be heavy on TB as well. Heck, I would be fine playing Wilson at the 3 and starting EM, DN, TB, and AT. What do we have to lose?
 
I expect to see some wild lineups in a CBI or CI.com tournament. TB did have a great game in StL... Needs to work on the defense a bit, but love that potential.
 
BradleyBrave said:
What about Taylor Brown? Saturday's loss was arguably his 'coming out' party with his Jordan-esque reverse layup and 8 points off the bench. Along with the guys you mentioned (EM, DN, AT), the CIT needs to be heavy on TB as well. Heck, I would be fine playing Wilson at the 3 and starting EM, DN, TB, and AT. What do we have to lose?
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You're right, I was thinking TB as well but must have forgot to put him. And I think if we are going to be successful we need TB to contribute. IMO he could be more important to the team next year then McCain, Norris, or AT. Brown is the only one of those that I think will start next year
 
Rusty 54 said:
You're right, I was thinking TB as well but must have forgot to put him. And I think if we are going to be successful we need TB to contribute. IMO he could be more important to the team next year then McCain, Norris, or AT. Brown is the only one of those that I think will start next year
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I think that is very true. I like Norris a lot, but if anyone is going to get squeezed out of a crowded backcourt because of the return of Andrew Warren, I think it's DN.
 
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