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CBI and CI postseason tournaments

BradleyBrave said:
I think that is very true. I like Norris a lot, but if anyone is going to get squeezed out of a crowded backcourt because of the return of Andrew Warren, I think it's DN.
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I agree with you. Minutes are going to be tough to get for everyone next year. AT im guessing will have a hard time taking minutes from Egolf and Singh. I see TB, then Prosser at the 4, with Milos having to work really hard to see the floor (though I havent seen Milos play). I think Maniscalco is going to have a lock on the point guard spot, with EM subbing for him. AW, and Roberts have the 2 and 3 spots, though Dodie could start and will play heavy minutes regardless. And EM and DN will sub for those spots as well. IMO. And thats without injuries
 
I would love to get some insights on what teams the CBI and CIT are looking at right now. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or even a 'bracketologist' to see what teams surely aren't going to the NCAA's (like BU), or teams that most likely are not going to the NCAA's (Northwestern, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Davidson). The NIT is going to basically be the BCS Invitational Part II (with the NCAA being Part I), so I am guessing that we're going to see the barely .500 BCS teams grouped with a bunch of good, but not quite good enough mids and lows. All I ask this year is that the CBI doesn't lower itself to sub-.500 teams this year. To me, that really made the thing look 2nd rate, even though it's really no different than the NIT aside from its history. Otherwise, I thought it was a well-run tournament.
 
In my latest projections, I had these 32 teams as CBI or CIT teams. Obviously, the actual teams and where they're going is fluid, but this should give a good idea as to the type of caliber team we'd encounter.

It's essentially 3 types of teams:
1) Random BCS teams hovering around 6-10 in conference play
2) 3rd, 4th, 5th place teams out of solid conferences like the WAC, Horizon, and CAA
3) Random top 2 or top 3 teams out of lower conferences (i.e., the Vermonts and UALRs of the world)

Seton Hall (14-14)
North Carolina St (16-12)
St John's (15-15)
Stanford (17-11)
Mississippi (16-13)
Alabama (14-13)
Wyoming (16-11)
St Joseph's (15-14)

LaSalle (17-12)
St Louis (16-12)
Richmond (15-14)
Evansville (15-12)
Bradley (16-13)
UTEP (18-11)
New Mexico St (15-14)
Boise St (18-10)

Cleveland St (19-10)
Wright St (19-12)
Wisconsin-Milwaukee (15-13)
Rider (18-11)
Hofstra (19-10)
Old Dominion (20-9)
Drexel (15-13)
Portland (17-11)

Vermont (23-7)
Troy (18-11)
Arkansas-Little Rock (22-7)
Charleston (22-7)
Buffalo (18-10)
Akron (18-11)
VMI (20-7)
Portland St (18-9)







Just to idly speculate, how does a subregional, of, say:
4) St Louis @ 1) Bradley
3) Akron @ 2) Cleveland St
sound?
 
TheAsianSensation said:
Just to idly speculate, how does a subregional, of, say:
4) St Louis @ 1) Bradley
3) Akron @ 2) Cleveland St
sound?
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I was eyeballing the same kinda thing TAS. I am not quite ready to speculate just yet... but as I was looking at it Saturday and yesterday... I came up with the same thing. St Louis at Bradley. Then the winner of Akron and I think I mighta had Wright St. :D
 
MacabreMob said:
I was eyeballing the same kinda thing TAS. I am not quite ready to speculate just yet... but as I was looking at it Saturday and yesterday... I came up with the same thing. St Louis at Bradley. Then the winner of Akron and I think I mighta had Wright St. :D
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In fact, Cleveland St might go to the NIT. Or Wisconsin-Green Bay. Let's make them a 1 seed and us a 2 seed.

CITology!
 
BuBraves55 said:
because of tournaments like these, 20 wins aint what it used to be.....i would probably say that 23 - 25 is the 'new 20' Big difference in 4 straight nit/ncaa appearances to 4 straight 20 win/postseason appearances
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The repeal of the exempt tournament participation rule is the real reason why 20 win seasons are meaningless, because nearly every team is playing about 3 more games, every year.

These tournaments give teams who didn't even get to 20 wins given that, a chance.

But I'm OK with them for all the teams like Brown last year that would not have had opportunities otherwise.
 
Agreed. 20 wins just doesn't have the cache it used to have, especially when it's coupled with double-digit losses. I think the 23 regular season win threshold and/or single digit loss threshold are more indicative of a truly successful regular season.
 
20-win seasons aren't what they used to be, but it's still going to be a rare program hat strings together 5 or 10 of them in a row. Still a worthwhile goal.
 
brocks said:
20-win seasons aren't what they used to be, but it's still going to be a rare program hat strings together 5 or 10 of them in a row. Still a worthwhile goal.
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True. Creighton has had 11 in a row, so I think it is still noteworthy, just not as noteworthy as it used to be. Now, if we can start sprinkling in some NCAA appearances...different story. :)
 
We may have our first indicator as to pecking order:

I ran across an article earlier today that states James Madison is being considered by the CBI but referred to as being "low" on their list. While the CI.com tourney is "very interested" in JMU.

The CBI is also reportedly interested in 13-16 Oregon State.

Schools that have come out with public "maybe" statements: UWGB, The Citadel, Charleston, Troy, Evansville and Drake.

Cleveland State is as well, but is playing for the Horizon autobid tonight. CSU has been passed over by the NIT historically.
 
An article I read suggests the CBI contacted Oregon State prior to their latest 3 games (all losses), and expressed interest. At that time there was a reasonable possibility OSU could end the year at .500 or better. I suspect the CBI contacts lots of schools in that position. But with their latest 3-game slide, and now there is almost no chance they will get back to .500, I would be surprised if they get an actual CBI bid.
The only way it could happen is if a bunch of teams with better recrods turn the CBI down.
 
One more thing I though when I saw the reference to a 13-16 team getting interest from the CBI (especially a bad 13-16 team like OSU- 2 of their wins were to non-D1 teams, and some of their wins were against very poor D1 teams). If by chance it does happen that a tournament like the CBI is inviting bad teams with losing records to participate, then I would change my opinion about Bradley agreeing to participate. Bradley should steer clear of the CBI if they are going to take teams with losing records, unless they are good teams that happen to play in tough leagues, yet maintain relatively high RPIs (under 125 or so).
For the record- Oregon State's RPI is 143-
 
There are enough winning programs to fill both CIT and CBI fields. Whether the teams want to is another story.

If you go on the theory that if there are 340 eligible programs, 170 of them will have winning records, and you can toss the worst barely over .500 from the lower conferences.
 
Da Coach said:
One more thing I though when I saw the reference to a 13-16 team getting interest from the CBI (especially a bad 13-16 team like OSU- 2 of their wins were to non-D1 teams, and some of their wins were against very poor D1 teams). If by chance it does happen that a tournament like the CBI is inviting bad teams with losing records to participate, then I would change my opinion about Bradley agreeing to participate. Bradley should steer clear of the CBI if they are going to take teams with losing records, unless they are good teams that happen to play in tough leagues, yet maintain relatively high RPIs (under 125 or so).
For the record- Oregon State's RPI is 143-
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My guess is OSU is a fallback option. Although the Pac-10's non-snub of the CBI event last year makes it more likely a team like the Beavers may get in.
 
Bradley sent out an email with the tickets prices for any of the three tournaments possible that might be played at Carver Arena:

$30 (Club Level), $25 (Priority I), $20 (Priority II), $14 (Priority III) and $9 (Priority IV). Bradley University students will be able claim tickets at no charge, courtesy of the Braves Club, by presenting a valid student ID at time of pickup.
 
Cinci announced today it's not interested in either the CBI or CIT, if not invited to the NIT.
 
Da Coach said:
That's likely true. The NCAA committe will use this loss as a reason to eliminate Cincy, so they don't get ripped for showering too many bids on the Big East.

But after they lost to the 5th place Missouri Valley team in the CBI last year, I predict Cincinnati will decline a CBI and CI.com bid so they aren't embarrassed again.
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http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?p=123389#post123389

Looks like I guessed right on this one. I suspect this kind of decision might even be a league-wide, unwritten policy dictated by the Big East and a couple other power conferences.
 
Remember what OSU has going for them is that the coach is the brother in-law of Prez. Obama and this in itself may attract some publicity. Publicity goes a long way of selling seats!
 
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