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Anyone watch the games last night, Siena/Niagara & COC/Chattanooga?

tornado

tornado

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If I had any comment at all....it's that those team all had really great athletes......kids who could dribble, penetrate, fast break, fly & dunk, etc...

but the single most noticable thing about those games was the lack of coaching.
And in some cases, the total lack of any observable game plan combined with street ball caliber selfishness.

Tenn-Chat's Keyron Sheard (18 pts last night, 4 apg) & Stephen McDowell (Tournament MOP, 18.6 ppg) were pretty good players. If either was in the MVC, they'd be among the best. Wonder how these guys slipped to the horrible Southern Conference, both could be very valuable players with a little coaching.

In the Siena game, Kenny Hasbrouck (Tournament MVP) looked great.....as impressive as OE in the MVC Final!
The kid had 19 pts, 6 rebs, 6 asst, and only one turnover....while hobbled with an injury that he wasn't even supposed to play with, and he had 17 pts in the 2nd half!
http://blogs.timesunion.com/collegesports/?p=3294
They also had two big guys that each average about 8 rpg...Ryan Rossiter - a 6-9 kid, had 16 pts, 14 rebs.


Frankly, with the talent I saw, I am surprised those teams are as weak as they are...regularly getting beat by the likes of Rider, Marist, Elon, Georgia Southern, & Wichita State.
 
Chattanooga wasn't really that great a team. Charleston does have a track record of being the best team in that conference over time. The SoCon really should be a little bit better league than they actually are.

But, as we all know, all conference games are a battle. Siena's 2 MAAC losses were on the road against #2 and #3 in the league. The in-conference upset can always creep up.
 
Why do people go gaga after just one decent half of shooting?
All we hear this time of year is that we need to view the entire "body of work" and how teams have performed over the long haul.
Even if the kid did have one nice half, is that a reason to anoint him and NBA lock?
I need to see more to believe the hype that a 13 points per game shooting guard is NBA material.
Get back to me on maybe Eric Maynor or Steph Curry who average closer to 30 points.
 
Boy tornado. I beg to differ. I have seen Siena play a few times this year and I am REALLY impressed with how good they are. IN fact, I sent text messages to a few of my friends last night watching them.

Very good team. Good talent. Well coached. I wouldnt be suprised if they win a game or two in the NCAA Tournament. Fran McCafferty has done a heck of a job there.

Same for Niagara. Joe Mihalick does a nice job and he has really good players. Impressive.

What did you see that showed "lack of coaching" by the Siena and Niagara coaches?
 
leebiddlecome said:
Boy tornado. I beg to differ. I have seen Siena play a few times this year and I am REALLY impressed with how good they are. IN fact, I sent text messages to a few of my friends last night watching them.

Very good team. Good talent. Well coached. I wouldnt be suprised if they win a game or two in the NCAA Tournament. Fran McCafferty has done a heck of a job there.

Same for Niagara. Joe Mihalick does a nice job and he has really good players. Impressive.

What did you see that showed "lack of coaching" by the Siena and Niagara coaches?
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Yeah. I'm with Lee on this one. Not sure what you're watching. I saw some darn good teams who are dancing and could win a game or two in the tournament. I also saw teams that I would love to be right now. Isn't Siena going to their 2nd straight NCAA? Didn't they embarrass our regular season and tournament champion on national TV? Yeah, they're really poorly coached. :roll:
 
leebiddlecome said:
Boy tornado. I beg to differ. I have seen Siena play a few times this year and I am REALLY impressed with how good they are. IN fact, I sent text messages to a few of my friends last night watching them.

Very good team. Good talent. Well coached. I wouldnt be suprised if they win a game or two in the NCAA Tournament. Fran McCafferty has done a heck of a job there.

Same for Niagara. Joe Mihalick does a nice job and he has really good players. Impressive.

What did you see that showed "lack of coaching" by the Siena and Niagara coaches?
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BradleyBrave said:
Yeah. I'm with Lee on this one. Not sure what you're watching. I saw some darn good teams who are dancing and could win a game or two in the tournament. I also saw teams that I would love to be right now. Isn't Siena going to their 2nd straight NCAA? Didn't they embarrass our regular season and tournament champion on national TV? Yeah, they're really poorly coached. :roll:
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I'm with you guys here:) . McCaffrey is a very good coach for Siena..... and CoC is coached by Bobby Cremmins. In fact, I'd say Cremmins is a big reason CoC beat Davidson twice.
 
Chattanooga was on our thread of winless teams at the start of the season, was it not? Pretty good turnaround for them, although I'm sure playing on their home court helped a bit.
 
Obviously you think Siena and Niagara aren't real good teams and Fran McCafferty and Joe Mihalick aren't good coaches.

I and others on this board disagree and I doubt many in the basketball world think they are bad coaches, but again, we all have our own opinions.

I think Kevin Stallings at Vanderbilt thought McCafferty was pretty good last year. Heck, Siena drilled Northern Iowa--and UNI was the best team in the MVC and beat Bradley three times.

If you think they are bad coaches that's obviously your opinion.
 
Siena is a good team, go back and re-read what I just said...
but I am not as impressed with Niagara and thought they played poorly and were lucky to be within double digits of Siena.
And, again, nobody in this thread ever said any one of those coaches was a bad coach....so please try to resist the oft-shown tendency to rip into someone for something they clearly never said.

But I watched those games and thought both involved play that appeared to be lacking organization and what I would view as good coaching....and way, way too much one-man-show stuff and one-on-one stuff, and ballhogging.
Lee-- you know I watch a lot of basketball, so I think I am entitled to an opinion, here....so please let me have one...

funny how people who didn't even watch the game can say I am wrong when I viewed it the way I did and even gave pretty solid evidence of how sloppy and disorganized and selfish the play was.
 
Asian...not sure if this is aimed at me...
but as I said, I really offered NO opinion as to whether those were bad teams or bad coaches...
here is what I said...

tornado said:
If I had any comment at all...

and...

but the single most noticable thing ......
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there....all I did was comment on a "noticable thing", and yet immediately guys say I am way off base for calling Fran MaCaffery a bad coach....
is this like really thin skin or something.....?
 
I was very impressed with Niagara against ISU...great defense and good enough on offense. I didn't see them play Siena. I guess they were well-coached against ISU, but not against Siena.
 
tornado said:
And, again, nobody in this thread ever said any one of those coaches was a bad coach....so please try to resist the oft-shown tendency to rip into someone for something they clearly never said.

But I watched those games and thought both involved play that appeared to be lacking organization and what I would view as good coaching....and way, way too much one-man-show stuff and one-on-one stuff, and ballhogging.
Lee-- you know I watch a lot of basketball, so I think I am entitled to an opinion, here....so please let me have one...
I actually said you are entitled to your own opinion about 3-4 times already in this post. Please go back and reread my comments. I never "ripped" into you. I really didn't. We were just having a discussion about the programs and coaches mentioned. You feel one way, I feel the other. That's why message boards are good.

If you were offended by me "ripping into you", I apologize. It wasn't my objective. I just wanted to disagree with your opinion. I know you watch a lot of basketball--as do I. I just disagree with you here. No harm, no foul.

Again, I respect your opinion. I just disagreed with it quite a bit. Once more, isn't that what basketball discussion is about? It wouldn't be any fun if everyone felt the same way all the time.
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Tulsa Brave said:
I was very impressed with Niagara against ISU...great defense and good enough on offense. I didn't see them play Siena. I guess they were well-coached against ISU, but not against Siena.
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Niagara has had an excellent program the last handful of years.

I was really disappointed we didn't pick up one of their assistant coaches a couple years ago.
 
I mean this as no disrespect to Merfeld, Buescher, or Brooks. . .

But Luke Dobrich or Phil Martelli Jr. I believe were both interested, and I thought both of them were instrumental in getting Niagara to where they are and sustaining that success at a difficult place to recruit to and win.

Dobrich is from DePue in Bureau County. Both his parents are ISU alums. He would have been able to recruit Illinois and the East Coast.

Martelli may not be as successful as his father, but has a bright future in coaching. And through his dad, has national recruiting contacts.

If Mihalich leaves (I would think he is an excellent candidate for DePaul, should that position become open) he will likely take both of them wherever he goes.

I don't know who else was interested for the openings, but I don't think BU could've gone wrong with either one.
 
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