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Schedule will be a lot tougher

tornado

tornado

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this is not about Bradley...but it gave me a laugh...

Last season, Indiana knew they'd be bad...and if they didn't then they weren't listening to what Bruce Weber said at the Lariat Club "Smoker".
So they intentionally scheduled horribly soft....even losing games at home to Lipscomb & Northeastern, and hosting Northwestern Louisiana State and IUPUI..

so Coach Crean promised this year's schedule would be a significant upgrade...much tougher...
but the details of this year's schedule have been kept strangely silent...

But word is beginning to leak out as other teams post their schedules...

Loyola of Maryland comes to play Indiana 12/22/09! (12-22 last year)

and Tuesday, Dec. 29 Indiana hosts Bryant...in only their 2nd year of D-I, coming off an 8-21 season....
http://www.bryantbulldogs.com/sports/mbkb/2009-10/News/2009_Bryant_Men-s_BKB_Summer_Prospectus.pdf

OK...maybe IU can pull off an upset or two???
 
That Guy said:
...and so far what we know for sure, we play powerhouses like Wofford and Presbyterian.

Why is this a thread?
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Wofford's no joke. This from their CBS Sports Team Report:

"Wofford peaked at the right time, winning nine of its final 13 regular-season games. The stretch included victories over Western Carolina and The Citadel, the second-place teams from each division. It also included two overtime victories (over Elon and Furman).

Even if Wofford isn't championship material next season, the consensus from the Terriers' viewpoint -- and that of the rest of the league -- is that Mike Young's team won't be far off."
 
Our schedule as it reads so far is downright laughable. If I were a season ticket holder, I'd be livid. Idaho st, Wofford, Presbyterian and Loyola for home games???? You can't even get a top 100 team into Carver? and the fact that there are dates to be filled this late in the game means the remaining games may be even worse, like Western Illinois, Bethune Cookman, or Hawaii-Hilo!!! Our president is not doing the basketball program any favors by not having a legitimate AD in place RIGHT NOW. And don't even get me started in the trap game at Dekalb after the Vegas tourney. IDAHO ST!!!! the Opener???!!!!!
 
with all the whining about the BU schedule...did anyone know this....?

--three times out of the past four seasons, Bradley's non-conference schedule was one of the toughest two in the Valley.

--Bradley has had an overall SOS of 125 or better six years in a row...and Bradley's average SOS in that span is among the best two teams in the Valley

--only one other Valley team has had a Top-30 Strength of schedule in that interval

--lastly...the past couple years we've seen Michigan State, Iowa State, Cincy, Butler, DePaul, Providence, Tulsa...and many other decent teams at Carver Arena....so maybe we are spoiled...but then again..those guys don't want to come here to play us.
 
Schedule

Schedule

Tornado - I don't disagree at all with you regarding past schedules. The past couple of years have been great. It took many years to get to the point where we had great home schedules, but---it doesn't take many years at all to tear this down and revert to crips and garbage games. Playing in third rate post season tournaments doesn't help either. We cannot live on our past scheduling. The BU schedule for the coming year hasn't yet been announced but IF it includes such as Id. St., Wofford, Presbyterian, & Loyola with a road game at No. Ill.---whoever(and I do mean WHOEVER) came up with this schedule should apologize to season ticket holders and then run and hide !
If the Vegas tournament required a couple of easy home games--OK, but this should be compensated for by then scheduling a couple of very strong teams
for other home games. Somewhere in the top 100 RPI, there has to be a couple of teams who would come to BU for a game or a H & H series. Also, does anyone know if compensation to visiting teams has any affect on scheduling?
 
BradleyBrave said:
All I know is that we had better win some of our 'name' games in the non-con or it's gonna be RPI h-ll for us.
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absolutely agree. Given this schedule, we'll probably need to win 3 of 4 between Ok st, BYU, Iowa ST., and Illinois/Utah.

And half the teams tornado mentions are from postseason tournaments so they don't count as far as scheduling goes. A dayton home and home or some other top 10 conf game should have been a priority. I'm assuming we'll try and play the max 12 non-con games. With a BB thrown in, this leaves us with 3 dates to fill. It's nearly August. Someone needs to pound the phones.
 
Wofford and Pres are part of the Vegas tourney - no whining for those 2 should be allowed.

Idaho St is iffy, and don't get me started on the whole Loyola/BracketBuster stuff...

It's quasi-clear we won't be as strong as last year, schedule-wise. Such a shame we couldn't use the 3-game MSU series as a parlay into elevating the program status.
 
TheAsianSensation said:
Such a shame we couldn't use the 3-game MSU series as a parlay into elevating the program status.
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It's kind of a Catch 22 situation... you show a top tier team like MSU that you can compete and possibly beat them at home- show other schools you are a worthy opponent- but you also show other big schools that you can beat them at home- hense, them NOT WILLING to play you, especially at home...
 
As long as we do not have an AD in place the blame for our schedule good or bad is on the shoulders of those in charge! Besides the Vegas games and the BYU game there is not much to applaud about, especially for those of you paying for season tickets. We need an AD that can do some warm calling and spruce up our schedule because JL's job should be coaching for the most part and I can't see our Prez dialing for games nor does she probably have the right contacts to get the job done.
 
but there are people claiming scheduling is as easy as picking a meal off the menu at Sonic...
just look in the want ads and call 'em up.....
so why do you need an AD if it's that easy......?
 
AD has at most, very little to do with scheduling.

Just about all scheduling responsibility is left to coaches, unless they seriously lampoon the program in that regard.

The problem that Valley schools have run into is this:

1) Lower-level BCS programs are playing fewer road games, and when they do they are in significantly less hostile environments.

2) Top-level mids like Siena are also playing fewer true road games, and if they do venture on the road they are avoiding teams in similar situations (such as the Valley) where possible. BCS or games they figure to win with little trouble.

Dayton announced their schedule last week containing the fewest home games since 2005, and with it came a caveat that the program may not be able to offer the number of home games they have been simply because the dynamics of scheduling have changed so dramatically that they understand they may have to sacrifice home games in order to bolster their NCAA resume.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayt...n-flyers/early-tests-await-flyers-216020.html

Scheduling is complicated in many ways, but when coaches are afraid to stick their neck out or schools refuse to go on the road they can only blame themselves for their troubles.
 
There are three easy solutions to a number of the scheduling problems out there:

1) In-season home-and-homes against teams figuring to be NCAA-caliber.

2) Play more neutral court games. While you lose the home gate, just about every DI program is looking to get at least one neutral court game per year. . .you can nab a bigger fish doing this and might stand a better chance at national tv picking it up.

3) Avoid multi-year deals at all costs, unless it's for a BCS league.
 
squirrelgotdead said:
There are three easy solutions to a number of the scheduling problems out there:

1) In-season home-and-homes against teams figuring to be NCAA-caliber.
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You really think this is EASY???

I am pretty sure if it was... it would be happening alot more... JMO though...
 
BradleyBrave said:
All I know is that we had better win some of our 'name' games in the non-con or it's gonna be RPI h-ll for us.
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After scouring a number of the BCS schedules that have come out, I haven't seen our name on any of them (unless there were some today) that we aren't already aware of.

That said, I'm still willing to wait and see what the final product will be before getting all worked up about it.

I actually think Wofford and Idaho State will be very good teams, and you get extra credit for Idaho State because they are recognized as a very difficult style to face.

I also think the way it's shaping up this could be the best (or at least most intriguing) start-to-finish non-con we've had since JL took over. (NIU game aside, of course)
 
Nacho said:
You really think this is EASY???

I am pretty sure if it was... it would be happening alot more... JMO though...
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Right now it's probably not, but that's because schedules are rapidly filling up. Ten years ago, such a practice was usually an act of desperation. But as alluded to the other problems, we are seeing fewer multi-year deals year over year. . .so as that trend continues and more schools start looking to do this, it will get easier.
 
Scheduling

Scheduling

Squirrel...: You are not quite correct in your contention that ADs have little to do with scheduling. I have had very recent conversations with former ADs regarding scheduling and have learned from them that scheduling is generally a 50/50 situation between the AD and the coach. In some instances, coaches have tried to take over scheduling but most ADs strongly resist this, in lieu of sharing scheduling. In any event, the RESPONSIBILITY for the schedule and FINAL APPROVAL of the schedule rests with the AD according to the ADs I have recently talked to.
 
wizard said:
Squirrel...: You are not quite correct in your contention that ADs have little to do with scheduling. I have had very recent conversations with former ADs regarding scheduling and have learned from them that scheduling is generally a 50/50 situation between the AD and the coach. In some instances, coaches have tried to take over scheduling but most ADs strongly resist this, in lieu of sharing scheduling. In any event, the RESPONSIBILITY for the schedule and FINAL APPROVAL of the schedule rests with the AD according to the ADs I have recently talked to.
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If you're talking bottom line and approval, of course the AD is involved. I'm talking the actual meat and potatoes of scheduling.

Yes, it is also pretty standard for the AD to set rough guidelines for which the coach is encouraged to work within. But other than that, at successful basketball schools, the AD is generally removed from the process, as well they should be unless the coach is completely irresponsible in scheduling.

The day-to-day tasks of actual scouting for potential opponents, targeting the ones you want to play, and setting the dates. . .is all the coaches.

So if you are going to actively complain about the opponents, those complaints should be appropriately placed.

I can also assure you that BU's interim AD is 1000% less restrictive than our previous AD.
 
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