MacabreMob
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I can't hep but laugh how this argument keeps coming up. LOL!
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Recruiting Illinois????
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Kevin Dillard was a more highly rated recruit and is a more talented basketball player than any of the guards we have brought in over the last couple of years.
I give up.. it went from we don't recruit enough good Illinois kids to records and crap post season tourneys...
Laughable...
Dillard can be a game changer- can't say he has so far really- Osiris is only "game changer" I see that we missed on and we were in on him until late...
Some people are never happy...
How many kids from California skip USC or UCLA?
Laughable...
Dillard can be a game changer- can't say he has so far really- Osiris is only "game changer" I see that we missed on and we were in on him until late...
Some people are never happy...
How many kids from California skip USC or UCLA?
You forgot TELEVISION, Comcast is NOT a recruiting tool!
Here's my concern. The next 2010 & 11 are supposed to be the best IL recruiting classes in decades.. and except for Threloff.. the Braves are getting little to no mention with any of the big names in the state.
Maybe we are recruiting some of these kids on the down low.. but we usually hear something and right now there is not even a hint. ISU, SIU, SLU, DePaul all are being mentioned as recruiting some of these kids.
Like I said, I have little to no inside info on the efforts of Les & his staff. It just seems odd that we are not getting mentioned.
By the way, for whoever wrote it's tough to convince kids to come to Peoria.. you think it's tougher than convincing them to go to Normal or Carbondale? Get real.
Maybe we are recruiting some of these kids on the down low.. but we usually hear something and right now there is not even a hint. ISU, SIU, SLU, DePaul all are being mentioned as recruiting some of these kids.
Like I said, I have little to no inside info on the efforts of Les & his staff. It just seems odd that we are not getting mentioned.
By the way, for whoever wrote it's tough to convince kids to come to Peoria.. you think it's tougher than convincing them to go to Normal or Carbondale? Get real.
MacabreMob
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Exactly!
First, Mullins was a good player for SIU's system. I do not think he would have been a very effective point guard in Jim Les' system.
Dilard may have an impact eventually, but SIU won a total of 13 games last year- if I tried to make a claim that a BU player had an impact on a season where we only won 13 games, I'd be laughed at!
So again, the only example comes down to Osiris Eldridge, and Bradley recruited him hard. He just chose to go to ISU for reasons I will not go into.
Is this what you really meant to say? Because I can name a few-
Marcellus Sommerville
Daniel Ruffin
Jeremy Crouch
Tony Bennett
Sam Maniscalco
Dodie Dunson
and soon-
Jordan Prosser
Dyricus Simms-Edwards
As far as cities...I agree Normal and Carbondale have NOTHING on Peoria.
One things I always wondered though about recruiting is I think its a little bit easier for Isu and sIu to recruit then BU simply becuase of name recognition. I would think having the name Illinois in there at least gives them a mkt edge with some name recognition.
I could be wrong and maybe if there even IS any advantage its probably small.....
It's possible that a state school and a former top party school are more desireable to some..
Peoria does not have the best (vibrant, diverse, hip..) reputation among the younger set. Employers (well, when they were hiring) found it difficult to recruit young employees into Peoria. There are community groups and initiatives trying to improve the perception of Peoria, and to change policies in Peoria that hinder those efforts. There was a letter to the editor this year that summed it up well: A wife of some VP was asked by a (non-local) friend, why would I want to move to Peoria, "There's no reason why you would want to move to Peoria, but when you consider the commuting times, (semi)pro sports, theater.., There's also no reason to leave Peoria"
tornado
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but haven't we learned anything from the facts of history...
BU likes to keep their name off the front pages...
ONLY the people on BradleyFans last year knew BU was still in the lead for Prosser & DSE...yet all the other sites said he wasn't considering BU at all...
so just because "the Braves are getting little to no mention"...doesn't mean the Braves aren't going to get anyone...
time will tell....wait and see...the sky is not falling yet...
four 20+ win seasons in a row, four consecutive post-season tourneys, record breaking attendance and funds, new campus facilities...
can't anyone find some good somewhere......should we start a separate "negative nellie" forum??
DannyCooksey
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Why can't you go into the reasons? What are you suggesting? Curious.
AZ BU Fan
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Would a forum where all anyone does is post:
how great BU is, how great BU recruits/recruiting is, how great BU players are, how great BU coaching is, how great BU's MVC record has been, how great BU's effort has been in MVC tournaments, how great CIT and CBI tourneys are in helping BU win 20 games but not winning championships, how great the past has been etc.
be as interesting?
Re BU Illinois recruiting, just win baby, everything else (including BU recruiting more top talent in Peoria/ILL) will take care of itself..
To argue that Illinois is the best place to recruit could be argued multiple ways. The DC-Balt. corridor is a hotbed of talent as well as the Texas ,NC and So.Cal., Indiana, and NY. Why limit your exposure to one area? No one else is! I know for a fact that the number of players that can play at BU is a lot less then ISU or SIU due to other factors then just talent. There are some programs that need to recruit student athaletes not just ball players. ;-)
And what was SIU's record with the Illinois studs they had on their roster? What did Bradley do to them last season? For that matter, what was Drake's record last year? St. Louis?
I just don't get this "argument" at all!
Come on Tornado.. Bradley had been mentioned with Prosser for more than a year.. and DSE for nearly as long not just on this site but others. I'm not saying those other sites gave BU a chance to land them.. but we were mentioned as recruiting them. My point is we are not being mentioned with hardly any of the big name recruits in IL right now. And if you read my entire message instead of taking a quote out of context you would see I said Les often flies under the radar. For a guy who likes to pound on the mainstream media for its faults.. you should be the last guy taking a quote out of contest.
wily coyote
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BB, I feel the same way. I don't care where they come from as long as they are better then kids we may pass on from around here. I think the two local kids we got this year will pay huge dividends.
On a similar note, I'm hearing our staff is divided on the Limestone boy Stewart. Whats your thoughts on him. Can he play at BU? At one time he had an offer from the U of I. Pretty sure that offer is gone but he had one at one time. I'm pretty sure BU has not offered as yet, Are we missing the boat here or is Jim recruiting kids far better then him? Whats some of your thoughts on Stewart?
MacabreMob
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First of all, the PJStar board has/had plenty of Negative Nellies. There is/was also Valley Talk full of Negative Nellies (is it back online yet).
But so, yea... Is there a board where posts talk about "how great BU is, how great BU recruits/recruiting is, how great BU players are, how great BU coaching is, how great BU's MVC record has been, how great BU's effort has been in MVC tournaments, how great CIT and CBI tourneys are in helping BU win 20 games but not winning championships, how great the past has been etc."
Answer is, Yes there is. And YES, IMO - it IS more interesting to fans of BU.
AZ BU Fan
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If it weren't for us "negative nellies", all the 'true fans' of BU in this forum would only be able to post rebuttals against ISU fans' posts 
I'd like to think we provide a service to the other posters, more subject matter/posters for them to reply to/disagree with
Makes this Forum more interesting..
I also consider myself a fan of BU, since I am very interested in them and hope they have great success, but I don't drink kool aid and consider myself a realist when discussing the teams I follow.
I'd like to think we provide a service to the other posters, more subject matter/posters for them to reply to/disagree with
Makes this Forum more interesting..
I also consider myself a fan of BU, since I am very interested in them and hope they have great success, but I don't drink kool aid and consider myself a realist when discussing the teams I follow.
MacabreMob
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If it weren't for us "negative nellies", all the 'true fans' of BU in this forum would only be able to post rebuttals against ISU fans' posts
I'd like to think we provide a service to the other posters, more subject matter/posters for them to reply to/disagree with
Makes this Forum more interesting..
I also consider myself a fan of BU, since I am very interested in them and hope they have great success, but I don't drink kool aid and consider myself a realist when discussing the teams I follow.
And there we go... the same old "true fans" vs true fans and "real fans" vs real fans.
This little argument is an old tired one.
And I laugh how it keeps coming up.
tornado
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you are way incorrect...
in fact, a more accurate statement would be that Bradley had NOT been mentioned in regards to Prosser in more than a year..
BU offered early, then nobody mentioned Bradley from late 2007 onward except for a few stories that reflected back to mention the prior offer....
Here are dozens of articles on Prosser...and this is just a sampling...
but find me one between 2007 and 2009 that says BU is one of his CURRENT considerations (at the time of the article)....
The only ones that even mention the name Bradley say this... "hearing from...Bradley".
http://search.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=4&c=1&search=1&sskey=%22Jordan+Prosser%22&sssiteid=-1
Here's a story from April 2008 and it lists FIVE different programs he's considering and planning visits to (IU, ND, Wisc., Xavier, Baylor)...but the word "Bradley" isn't in the article at all.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=2&c=744591
Other articles also add Illinois, Kentucky, Texas A&M, Iowa, SIU, Illinois State, Missouri, Oregon State, and Purdue...
those articles go on and on about his interest in all those bigger schools, but never is Bradley mentioned as more than just tagged onto the end of his list of schools he's heard from or got an offer from.
The kid was AT more than a dozen Bradley games...yet not one of the recruiting sites seems to have known this...nor do they mention it...
but when he was AT an Indiana game, there were 25 stories about it!!
Just a few weeks before Prosser chose BRADLEY, this Rivals story said...
"Prosser has top six...
My top six right now are Iowa, Indiana, Purdue, Wisconsin, Kentucky, and Texas A&M."
BRADLEY IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN THE ARTICLE!!
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=805323
Finally, in early August of 2008, when JP verballed to BU, the story just days earlier on the Iowa site suggested he was favoring Iowa..
it said this...
"Is Prosser Close to a Decision"
"I talked to Missouri and Oregon State today. I really don't think I am interested in Oregon State, but Missouri said they would be evaluating me in July."
" the 6-foot-7 forward from Eureka High School in Illinois who is ranked by Rivals.com as a three star prospect hasn't completely narrowed down the field quite yet.
"I am still waiting to hear from a some schools."
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=822975
Oh, and on Dyricus....here's a major Rivals article on Dyricus from last season.....
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=866155
It says he's considering Iowa, Illinois State, Wichita State, Kent State, as well as Missouri State, Kansas State and even Indiana...
but not even a hint that the kid has ever heard of Bradley!
Nope, I stand by my statement, that the educated folks on BradleyFans were among the VERY few who gave BU serious consideration with either DSE or JP....and someone on this board actually predicted BOTH of their committments several monoths before they happened...at the very time everyone else was saying JP to Iowa and DSE to ISU or K-State.