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Bob Knight Trashes John Calipari

tornado

tornado

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http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/12/bob_knight_takes_a_shot_at_joh.html
http://www.wjbdradio.com/index.php?f=sports&sub=single&id=6654

btw-- of all the high school All Americans and great players and great scorers that he recruited and who played at IU,
name one who played more than a year or two under Knight, who had a nice NBA career and averaged more than 10 ppg?

and what was the latest GSR (Graduation Success Rate) & Federal Graduation Rate at Texas Tech that covered Bob Knight's players?
Could the 22% be right? I thought he always graduated his players?
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/nH8egsr2009/700.pdf
 
tornado said:
Chair chucking choker chides cheater
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sportsprose/2009/12/bob_knight_takes_a_shot_at_joh.html
http://www.wjbdradio.com/index.php?f=sports&sub=single&id=6654

btw-- of all the high school All Americans and great players and great scorers that he recruited and who played at IU,
name one who played more than a year or two under Knight, who had a nice NBA career and averaged more than 10 ppg?

and what was the latest GSR (Graduation Success Rate) & Federal Graduation Rate at Texas Tech that covered Bob Knight's players?
Could the 22% be right? I thought he always graduated his players?
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/nH8egsr2009/700.pdf
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While I know you said 10 ppg as a benchmark, most of these players are close to that. I think the definition of a "nice NBA career" is playing more than four or five years. There are actually five players that specifically meet the 10 ppg. requirement. Here's a list of his players that I think had a nice NBA career. There are many more that played less than 7 years in the NBA.

Kent Benson 10 yrs. 9.1
Quinn Buckner 10 yrs. 8.2
Calbert Cheaney 13 yrs. 9.5
Alan Henderson 12 yrs. 7.8
Jared Jeffries 7 yrs. 5.3
Scott May 7 yrs. 10.4
George McGinnis 11 yrs. 20.2
Isaiah Thomas 13 yrs. 19.2
Bobby Wilkerson 7 yrs. 10.1
Mike Woodson 11 yrs. 14.0
Randy Wittman 9 yrs. 7.4
 
Love him or hate him what did he say so wrong about Calipari? I'm not a BN fan but his programs were 100% clean.
 
Coach Knight was never investigated for cheating and I may not agree with some of the tings he did I still respect him for coming out and telling the truth about Calipari and his getting 2 schools put on probation because of cheating yet he gets more money and continues on without any sanctions for him. Knight at least has stirred the pot and if anybody can be a good spokesman for doing something to clean up college basketball and all the cheating I would bet on him.
 
SFP said:
.. his programs were 100% clean.
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perhaps he never got caught, but neither did Tark! (although everywhere Tark was had trouble...)

but as for disturbed's list....

--Isiah got out before he played very long under Bobby Knight, so that was kinda my point...he didn't play very long under the General..

--Benson and all the rest who are at 10 and under.....that's again my point...where did the scoring ability go on all those guys?
Basically Kent Benson's stats are similar or considerbly less impressive than Billy Paultz or Steve Hawes...not names that are oft-spoken at the HOF.

--Woodson's the only one substantially over 10 ppg..but still hardly known as more than a decent journeyman.

--and nice try on McGinnis...but Big George was gone from IU before Bobby ever coached a game.

--I am making no comments about RMK and his coaching...I will leave that for you...
but of the dozens, and dozens of All-Americans, and top recruits he hauled in, top scorers, kids who were legendary....kids who many other programs wanted...
How come not one (except Isiah) went on to much more than a decent or mediocre pro career? That's all I ask....what happened to them that their scoring ability was forever hampered after playing for Bobby?
Comparable coaches like Coach K, Dean Smith, etc....no comparison..

and Isiah, like I said, got out before he was ruined, too......
 
tornado said:
--I am making no comments about RMK and his coaching...I will leave that for you...
but of the dozens, and dozens of All-Americans, and top recruits he hauled in, top scorers, kids who were legendary....kids who many other programs wanted...
How come not one (except Isiah) went on to much more than a decent or mediocre pro career? That's all I ask....what happened to them that their scoring ability was forever hampered after playing for Bobby?
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He won national championships and won more games than any other coach in NCAA history. Are you seriously questioning Knight's coaching ability based on what his players did in the NBA? Did the chair he threw hit you in the head?
 
I don't really care what Bobby says about others. He did get quite a bit out of his teams.

Comparing how his players do in the pros has zero to do with defining a college coach's career IMO
 
lefty said:
Comparing how his players do in the pros has zero to do with defining a college coach's career IMO
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If anything, it shows just how great of an "x's and o's" coach he was. I would argue that he amost always had average to below-average players that he usually molded into a great team. I'm sure great players like Isaiah probably hated his system because (like Coach K and Dean Smith) team play often leads to lower individual stats.

I think Coach Knight was a great coach -- one of the best ever (time passed him by at the end of his career like so many other great coaches). He was, however, a real @$$hole of a human being.
 
There is no way John C should be allowed to coach in college basketball ever.He will keep do this because he knows nothing will ever happen to him.This just says its ok for other coachs to cheat because nothing will happen to you.
 
tornado said:
and Isiah, like I said, got out before he was ruined, too......
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Who did Knight ruin? Did Isiah run away or did BK let him know whose is in charge and run him off? Despite his methods Knight built teams that won, not individuals who had great success at the next level.
 
you are right...
in his final 15 years or so of coaching after 92-93....he averaged 19.5 wins per season...and was 5 games under .500 in NCAA Tournament play...


also - note that even when Bob Knight speaks, he shows ignorance...
his comment last night ...
"You see we've got a coach at Kentucky [John Calipari], who put two schools on probation..."
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this is NOT correct...because Massachusetts was NEVER on probation
 
tornado said:
you are right...
in his final 15 years or so of coaching after 92-93....he averaged 19.5 wins per season...and was 5 games under .500 in NCAA Tournament play...
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19.5 wins per is close, but not quite right.

Per wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Knight

Indiana
1993??“1994 21??“9 NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1994??“1995 19??“12 NCAA First Round
1995??“1996 19??“12 NCAA First Round
1996??“1997 22??“11 NCAA First Round
1997??“1998 20??“12 NCAA Second Round
1998??“1999 23??“11 NCAA Second Round
1999??“2000 20??“9 NCAA First Round
Texas Tech
2001??“2002 23??“9 NCAA First Round
2002??“2003 22??“13 NIT Semifinals
2003??“2004 23??“11 NCAA Second Round
2004??“2005 22??“11 NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2005??“2006 15??“17 ??”
2006??“2007 21??“13 NCAA First Round
2007??“2008 12??“8*
Total 282-158

282 wins/14 season = 20.1 wins/season. And that includes the '07-08 season during which Knight resigned with 12 wins.

Furthermore, he was four games under .500 in ELEVEN (11) NCAA tournament appearances since 1992-'93 season. He made the tourney in each of those seasons all but twice. And one of those times, he went to the NIT.

I'm not the biggest Bobby Knight fan in the world, but the dude got the most out of collegiate players.
 
sorry, I stand corrected...so he did win a little over an average of 20 per year with top level, 5-star players...
and in that same interval, Coach K averaged 28, and Roy Williams averaged 29...
 
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