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Bradley 74 Evansville 64 - Final

amckillip said:
I agreed with you completely.

KW, for all intents and purposes said we would not be successful in the coming days. You can say he had now evidence to suggest we would be, many here thought otherwise, and those who said we would start winning are right, KW was wrong. Plain and simple. No matter how you slice it, KW said we wouldn't be winning, and we are. You can say he had no evidence to say we would, I say there was evidence. We had played the hardest valley schedule to date, were missing our lightening rod DSE, and Sam was starting to get healthy. Thats evidence, KW chose to ignore that and look at how we had been playing, which is a fair POV. But once again, he was wrong, it's gonna happen. But KW sure seems to predict doom and gloom for JL's teams far more often than he predicts success...
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Exactly. This is why I mentioned "unbiased" in my post above. He seems like he has it in for JL sometimes. Maybe that's not the actually the case, but it sure comes across that way.

I thought this past year or two KW actually was giving Les the benefit of the doubt more than in the past due to the injury problems on the team. But then he has to write this "hit-and-run" piece that harkens back to some of his earlier columns. And your right about him ignoring the evidence. Injuries, experience and the tough schedule. Hopefully this is all behind us, but KW needs to realize these factors do play into a team's chemistry.

And yes, I'm still waiting for KW's apology! :D
 
Bravesfan said:
Okay, maybe he didn't actually write the season off and say it in so many words, but to go and say that the "best days are not ahead" without giving a chance for the season to play out is not great journalism in my opinion. And I say that because we all know that many team's seasons can turn on a dime in an instant. So for him to go and say that Bradley's best days are not ahead was way premature and it certainly did give me impression that he did write off the season, even if he didn't mean it that way. And this is coming from a person that actually did agree with a lot of the points of his article. It was the conclusion that I had issues with.

If I had written that column, I would have said something to the effect that while there were no signs of improvement, we were about to enter a stretch of games where the team had a chance to win some games and gain confidence. And if that occurred then there would be a chance for at least a modest if not major turnaround before the end of the season.

But to even give the impression, wrongly or not that the season was over before over half the games were played was way too premature in my opinion.

Now I agree, let's wait an see how we do against a tougher ISU team and a so-so Creighton team that has been terrible on the road. And just for the record, I think Creighton is beginning to turn things around too after being left for dead as recently as two weeks ago. So this will be a good measuring stick game on Wednesday night.
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Fair enough but it was hard to disagree with how he felt....NOTHING BU was doing made most of us think there was much hope. I'd have to read it again but I would be surprised if he didn't say or at least infer what it WOULD take to turn it around.


What he writes is mcuh the same as you hear here on any given day...he just gets paid to do it and uses better grammar then OOB does. :)
 
Bravesfan said:
Exactly. This is why I mentioned "unbiased" in my post above. He seems like he has it in for JL sometimes. Maybe that's not the actually the case, but it sure comes across that way.

I thought this past year or two KW actually was giving Les the benefit of the doubt more than in the past due to the injury problems on the team. But then he has to write this "hit-and-run" piece that harkens back to some of his earlier columns. And your right about him ignoring the evidence. Injuries, experience and the tough schedule. Hopefully this is all behind us, but KW needs to realize these factors do play into a team's chemistry.

And yes, I'm still waiting for KW's apology! :D
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How exactly is it a "hit and run" piece when he has been writing about BU for years and years and will probably be doing so for years to come? Guys like Whellitstone that wrote his article about BU's renegade program...now THATS hit and run to me.

KW is available to discuss what he wrote (on the PJ star board) and will do so openly and honestly.


I don't think someone ever has to "apologize" about an opinion.

And if you don't think he's a BU fan....read his blog about the SIU game. While he tries to remain a reporter you can feel his passion and desire for BU to win and do well.
 
dogsrus said:
How exactly is it a "hit and run" piece when he has been writing about BU for years and years and will probably be doing so for years to come? Guys like Whellitstone that wrote his article about BU's renegade program...now THATS hit and run to me.

KW is available to discuss what he wrote (on the PJ star board) and will do so openly and honestly.


I don't think someone ever has to "apologize" about an opinion.

And if you don't think he's a BU fan....read his blog about the SIU game. While he tries to remain a reporter you can feel his passion and desire for BU to win and do well.
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Agree completely! If he didn't have a passion for BU basketball, he would not have written that particular piece. He was venting a lot of frustration that many BU fans were feeling at that time. No need to apologize for ones opinion. All BU has to do is to keep going out, play well and win games.
 
dogsrus said:
How exactly is it a "hit and run" piece when he has been writing about BU for years and years and will probably be doing so for years to come? Guys like Whellitstone that wrote his article about BU's renegade program...now THATS hit and run to me.

KW is available to discuss what he wrote (on the PJ star board) and will do so openly and honestly.


I don't think someone ever has to "apologize" about an opinion.

And if you don't think he's a BU fan....read his blog about the SIU game. While he tries to remain a reporter you can feel his passion and desire for BU to win and do well.
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Wait, wait! I never said KW was not a Bradley fan. I know he feels the passion and shares his frustration with the fans who feel the same way. I'm just citing one particular column of his that wrote off the team prematurely, that's all.

And no, he's not obligated to apologize for an opinion. I agree it was just that, an opinion. But I still feel he chose to ignore some certain facts (see the above posts) and he wrote the team off early. I didn't want him to apologize because his opinion was wrong. I just wish he would realize that you can't write off a team until they are mathematically eliminated from contention, that's all. And I believe he knows deep down in his heart that any team in any sport can turn things around when things start to "click". Sometimes it happens, and sometimes it doesn't, but that doesn't mean that he knows that the rest of the season will be a failure.

And yes, I am aware KW posts on the PJstar board, and I have been meaning to sign up there if for nothing else than for some friendly debate. Maybe I will do so one of these days.
 
We could always write another large thread concerning the PJS and KW!:D What I get when I take the time to read one of his pieces is that he is one opinionated person and I prefer my journalist to pitch the facts and to keep their passion under check. His blogs should be where his opinions are written not in the paper. With that, I'd have to say KW really likes BU but is not a fan of JL. I'm sure it goes both ways. DR gets a lot more face time with JL if anyone has notice.
 
bigdaddystuck said:
He was venting a lot of frustration ...
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more than that, I believe, him being a journalist and all, he knew precisely what that article was going to do...
he knew the coaches and players would all cut out a copy, paste it to their lockers, throw darts at the picture, then go out and play 100% harder to prove KW wrong...
as I said, I actually am glad he wrote the column because I think it helped motivate the team and they are playing better...
 
SFP said:
We could always write another large thread concerning the PJS and KW!:D What I get when I take the time to read one of his pieces is that he is one opinionated person and I prefer my journalist to pitch the facts and to keep their passion under check. His blogs should be where his opinions are written not in the paper. With that, I'd have to say KW really likes BU but is not a fan of JL. I'm sure it goes both ways. DR gets a lot more face time with JL if anyone has notice.
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You seem confused about the jobs of various people in the media.
A piece that keeps to the facts of an event would be a story by a reporter. Not an editorial by a columnist. Columnists are supposed to express an opinion.

Both in fact our journalists.
 
tornado said:
more than that, I believe, him being a journalist and all, he knew precisely what that article was going to do...
he knew the coaches and players would all cut out a copy, paste it to their lockers, throw darts at the picture, then go out and play 100% harder to prove KW wrong...
as I said, I actually am glad he wrote the column because I think it helped motivate the team and they are playing better...
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Hmmm, I didn't think of that. Great point tornado! :)
 
tornado said:
more than that, I believe, him being a journalist and all, he knew precisely what that article was going to do...
he knew the coaches and players would all cut out a copy, paste it to their lockers, throw darts at the picture, then go out and play 100% harder to prove KW wrong...
as I said, I actually am glad he wrote the column because I think it helped motivate the team and they are playing better...
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This may be very well one of his reasons for writing that column. That speaks to what fans can do for a team. WE can help with our cheering and our criticism. I have no doubt that JL used the negative responses by the fans and media to help motivate.

Hope they can keep it up and take it to CU!!
 
KillerB said:
You seem confused about the jobs of various people in the media.
A piece that keeps to the facts of an event would be a story by a reporter. Not an editorial by a columnist. Columnists are supposed to express an opinion.

Both in fact our journalists.
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Columnists writing editorial pieces is a recent development! It use to be that editorial pieces were written to make strong statements by THE EDITOR of the newspaper or Sports Department. Today columnist like to take that role and like everything else in today's media they have taken it a little too far. Columnists should write with a slant but not while venting or with a perceived notion of feeling jilted. It makes them look a little less manly and in the past that was a big thing before the metro sexual thing became in fashion. Facts were king, not feelings!
 
SFP said:
Columnists writing editorial pieces is a recent development! It use to be that editorial pieces were written to make strong statements by THE EDITOR of the newspaper or Sports Department. Today columnist like to take that role and like everything else in today's media they have taken it a little too far. Columnists should write with a slant but not while venting or with a perceived notion of feeling jilted. It makes them look a little less manly and in the past that was a big thing before the metro sexual thing became in fashion. Facts were king, not feelings!
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If you mean "recent development" as in the last 100 years then I think you are right. Sports editorials have been around as long as I have been alive (50+ years). And I have read sports editorial columns from New York fromback in the 20's or 30's about the Yankees, etc.
 
KillerB said:
If you mean "recent development" as in the last 100 years then I think you are right. Sports editorials have been around as long as I have been alive (50+ years). And I have read sports editorial columns from New York fromback in the 20's or 30's about the Yankees, etc.
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KillerB you are right! Wessler should continue his writing his columns like a jilted teenage lover. It jut seems so professional. NY columnist are artists with a nice bent and plenty of sarcasm. Occasionally they also cross the line and it still does not make it right IMO.
 
SFP said:
KillerB you are right! Wessler should continue his writing his columns like a jilted teenage lover. It jut seems so professional. NY columnist are artists with a nice bent and plenty of sarcasm. Occasionally they also cross the line and it still does not make it right IMO.
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I sure wouldn't want anything in Peoria modeled after the way New Yorkers do it...:roll:
 
SFP said:
KillerB you are right! Wessler should continue his writing his columns like a jilted teenage lover. It jut seems so professional. NY columnist are artists with a nice bent and plenty of sarcasm. Occasionally they also cross the line and it still does not make it right IMO.
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Please SFP.. The fact that you don't like what Wessler writes does not change or deminish his job. I completely support your right to not like.. or not read his column. Disagree and dislike away. And maybe he does not do his job well. I don't live in Peoria and I don't read his column very often.

But let's not jump on the guy for basically doing his job.. and let's not say he's not doing his job because he writes an unpopular opinion. As a columnist his job is not to recite the facts of the events.. it is to offer an opinion.

And I certainly hope the guys hired to work in the number one media market in the United States do a better job than the guy in Peoria. That's the way that is supposed to work as well. If you are really good at it someone notices and you move up the ladder.
 
KIllerB you missed my sarcasm but maybe you didn't.:wink: The problem with Wessler is that he is way to one sided. I can understand an occasional jab towards the program and JL but a constant slam is not very partial. I'll stand by my words he is a jilted lover. I do not slam Dave Reynolds and he occasionally slams JL but he also stands up for what is good. Impartiality is all I ask for from a journalist.

How long has Wessler been at the PJS. That might say something about his writing because as you said, "And I certainly hope the guys hired to work in the number one media market in the United States do a better job than the guy in Peoria. That's the way that is supposed to work as well. If you are really good at it someone notices and you move up the ladder." This we can agree on.;-)
 
SFP said:
KIllerB you missed my sarcasm but maybe you didn't.:wink: The problem with Wessler is that he is way to one sided. I can understand an occasional jab towards the program and JL but a constant slam is not very partial. I'll stand by my words he is a jilted lover. I do not slam Dave Reynolds and he occasionally slams JL but he also stands up for what is good. Impartiality is all I ask for from a journalist.

How long has Wessler been at the PJS. That might say something about his writing because as you said, "And I certainly hope the guys hired to work in the number one media market in the United States do a better job than the guy in Peoria. That's the way that is supposed to work as well. If you are really good at it someone notices and you move up the ladder." This we can agree on.;-)
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Fair enough!
 
SFP said:
How long has Wessler been at the PJS. That might say something about his writing because as you said, "And I certainly hope the guys hired to work in the number one media market in the United States do a better job than the guy in Peoria. That's the way that is supposed to work as well. If you are really good at it someone notices and you move up the ladder." This we can agree on.;-)
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How long has Dave Snell been in Peoria......you think he's not good enough to move up the ladder?

In fact Dave had a chance YEARS ago to take a high profile job but chose not to.
 
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