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D-1 coaches in the last eight years

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rsmit84

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First of all, I beg to the powers that be not to delete this because it took me hours to research. Second, I am not presenting this in a malicious manner. I was simply curious and thought it would be an interesting thread. So here it goes...

The following is a list of coaches that meet the following criteria:

-coaches for a D-1 college basketball team
-has coached same team for 8 or more seasons. (present day to 2002)
-has not finished 3rd or higher in their conference or won their conference tournament

Jim Les- 8 seasons as Bradley (MVC) coach. Has made 1 NCAA appearance. Made Sweet 16

Leonard Hamilton- 8 seasons as Florida State (ACC) coach. Has made NCAA. Been ranked in top 25

Bill Carmody- 10 seasons as Northwestern (Big 10) coach. Been ranked in top 25

Derek Waugh- 10 seasons as Stetson (Atlantic Sun) coach

Mike Young- 8 seasons as Wofford (Southern) coach. Currently 2nd in conference.

Those are the ones I'm sure about. The following are current D-1 schools but I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) they havent been D-1 for 8 seasons:

Tony Ingle- 10 seasons as Kennesaw State coach

Rick Scruggs- 15 seasons as Gardner-Webb coach

Scott Nagy- 15 seasons as South Dakota St. coach

If anybody knows of any omissions please feel free to add. Its possible I missed one or two out of 300 something schools.
 
was surprised to see Hamilton made the cut but then again he has to contest with Duke, UNC, Wake, Clemson, etc. every year. Real good coach IMO
 
I also wonder what expectations are for many of those teams. I know that here we have HIGH expectations...maybe at kennesaw state, SDSU, etc... they just know they are at the bottom...or even teams like UN who are in tough conferences
 
rsmit84, nice work - I have no clue if it is complete and correct but I take your word for it.

I just want to add a couple things...

Since you mentioned teams that got ranked, I coulda sworn Bradley got ranked in some final polls after the 06 Sweet 16.

Also - I responded in another thread before I read this one.

Here is my response (though it doesn't meet your criteria cause they won their Conf Trny in '07):

Miami-Ohio
Head Coach Charlie Coles (14th season)

After Wally "World" Szczerbiak and Miami-Oh's Sweet 16 in 1999 going 24-8....

99-00 15-15
00-01 17-16

(then the last 8 years)
01-02 13-18
02-03 13-15
03-04 18-11
04-05 19-11 *lost 1stR NIT
05-06 18-11 *lost 1stR NIT
06-07 18-15 *lost 1stR NCAA;won MAC Trny
07-08 17-16 *lost 1stR CBI
08-09 17-13

(and now currently)

09-10 6-13

Mediocre.

Fire Charlie Coles.

:roll:

:lol:
 
MacabreMob said:
rsmit84, nice work - I have no clue if it is complete and correct but I take your word for it.

I just want to add a couple things...

Since you mentioned teams that got ranked, I coulda sworn Bradley got ranked in some final polls after the 06 Sweet 16.

Also - I responded in another thread before I read this one.

Here is my response (though it doesn't meet your criteria cause they won their Conf Trny in '07):

Miami-Ohio
Head Coach Charlie Coles (14th season)

After Wally "World" Szczerbiak and Miami-Oh's Sweet 16 in 1999 going 24-8....

99-00 15-15
00-01 17-16

(then the last 8 years)
01-02 13-18
02-03 13-15
03-04 18-11
04-05 19-11 *lost 1stR NIT
05-06 18-11 *lost 1stR NIT
06-07 18-15 *lost 1stR NCAA;won MAC Trny
07-08 17-16 *lost 1stR CBI
08-09 17-13

(and now currently)

09-10 6-13

Mediocre.

Fire Charlie Coles.

:roll:

:lol:
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Yes, I thought about listing cases close to meeting the criteria but it would have been a huge post. There is no denying that there are several disappointing tenures in college basketball. One case that is this season away from meeting the criteria is Scott Drew at Baylor. Considering what that team went through however, I wouldnt consider that a bad coaching job at all.

PS You are absolutely correct, we were ranked at the end of the sweet 16 season. I wasnt trying to gloss over that fact just thought putting "made the sweet 16" was better than "was ranked in top 25"
 
Well of course if you set the criteria so carefully, you will not have many other coaches that fit it, other than Coach Les.
But there are many other coaches at D1 schools that have not had much success at winning conference championships or going to the NCAA very often, or who haven't had near the level of success as Jim Les has had.
Right here in Illinois we have the following coaches who began this year, who's resume's pale in comparison to Jim Les, and yet they have had more years to build their program than Jim Les had before people were calling for his job--
Jimmy Collins (UIC)
Mike Miller (EIU)
Jim Whitesell (Loyola)
Bill Carmody (Northwestern)
Jerry Wainwright (just fired by DePaul)
any current or recent coach at Chicago State, Western Illinois, or Northern Illinois.

And if I had the time, I could list another 150-200 or more D1 coaches as well who have not had, or will not have the success that JL has had.
 
Da Coach said:
And if I had the time, I could list another 150-200 or more D1 coaches as well who have not had, or will not have the success that JL has had.
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Not taking any sides, but I want to point this out: With 347 D-1 programs, that's basically saying that Jim Les is better than all but 150 coaches.


Now a statement more towards the general public: Stop trying to compare to other programs. The expectations of each program is different. Wofford has a different set of expectations. So does Northwestern. And DePaul. And everyone else. To try and equate the Les era with other coaches is futile because we're then defining success for Bradley compared to other programs. We should be defining success based on our crtieria given our opportunity to win and compete and generate revenue.

So, while the research is definitely insightful, there is no way any of it can be used to make an informed decision on what to do with our program in the future.
 
TheAsianSensation said:
Not taking any sides, but I want to point this out: With 347 D-1 programs, that's basically saying that Jim Les is better than all but 150 coaches.


Now a statement more towards the general public: Stop trying to compare to other programs. The expectations of each program is different. Wofford has a different set of expectations. So does Northwestern. And DePaul. And everyone else. To try and equate the Les era with other coaches is futile because we're then defining success for Bradley compared to other programs. We should be defining success based on our crtieria given our opportunity to win and compete and generate revenue.

So, while the research is definitely insightful, there is no way any of it can be used to make an informed decision on what to do with our program in the future.
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Maybe you're right in some aspect, but just showing that Bradley in the last 8 years sits among schools like Stetson and Wofford is pretty well a slap in the face...
 
TheAsianSensation said:
Not taking any sides, but I want to point this out: With 347 D-1 programs, that's basically saying that Jim Les is better than all but 150 coaches.


Now a statement more towards the general public: Stop trying to compare to other programs. The expectations of each program is different. Wofford has a different set of expectations. So does Northwestern. And DePaul. And everyone else. To try and equate the Les era with other coaches is futile because we're then defining success for Bradley compared to other programs. We should be defining success based on our crtieria given our opportunity to win and compete and generate revenue.

So, while the research is definitely insightful, there is no way any of it can be used to make an informed decision on what to do with our program in the future.
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Cripes! The original premise of this whole thread was to suggest that there aren't more than a handful of coaches in D1 who are worse than Jim Les.
I merely tried to debunk the faulty logic that was used, to show that there around 200 "or more" coaches who have not had the success that Jim Les has had. And now you are trying to accuse me of comparing him to bad coaches? Absurd- I proved just the opposite.
Where was your criticism when the initial ridiculous logic was posted?
 
First of all the reason of the first ?rediculous? post was not to show how bad of a coach anybody is. Never once did I say that and I dont appreciate you putting words in my mouth. Maybe you should reread the post with your goggles off.
Second, why do you feel the need to attack my list of FACTS by calling it rediculous? Do you really think the criteria is that narrowed. Eight years coaching, no tourney win or 3rd place finish. Pretty simple actually. Im sorry you see everything as an attack but the reason for the list is quite innocent and simple. In the ?outcoached? thread I saw a post about us meeting those criteria and I thought it wouid be interesting to see what other schools did. No agenda, no fire Jim Les remark, nothing. Im sorry that you feel this was unfair but my feeling is if it was a similar list that showed Jim Les in a more positive light you would have praised me for my long work instead of belittiing me.
 
:lol:

Well, I didn't really read through the thread when it was first posted, so that's why there's the delayed response.

DC said:
Cripes! The original premise of this whole thread was to suggest that there aren't more than a handful of coaches in D1 who are worse than Jim Les.
I merely tried to debunk the faulty logic that was used, to show that there around 200 "or more" coaches who have not had the success that Jim Les has had. And now you are trying to accuse me of comparing him to bad coaches? Absurd- I proved just the opposite.
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I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was basically saying that your post didn't really say much - with 347 D-1 coaches, saying he's better than 200 of them really doesn't mean anything, negative OR positive.

rsmit84 said:
First of all the reason of the first ?rediculous? post was not to show how bad of a coach anybody is. Never once did I say that and I dont appreciate you putting words in my mouth.
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I sure as heck didn't say or imply that. I didn't say the post was bashing Les or anything like that. I'm saying that I feel the comparison is not as relevant as others may think.

In fact, my whole post is about how we should define program expectations. Never did I say we should define them negatively or positively. Just about HOW they should be defined. I never took any pro-Les or anti-Les view in my post.

I never saw this thread as an attack. I did acknowledge it was good research, I just didn't feel it was relevant to anything.

And I never said anything about you or charactized you in any way. I said at the beginning of that rant, "to the general public". I wasn't even talking to you, c'mon.

I never implied my agenda on that post, positive or negative. In fact, I'm quite careful to avoid making ANY comments that put me on either the anti-Les side or the pro-Les side. I am as neutral as possible.
 
sorry for the confusion as my post was addressing da coach since apparently he knows my hidden agenda for this thread
 
rsmit84 said:
First of all, I beg to the powers that be not to delete this because it took me hours to research. Second, I am not presenting this in a malicious manner. I was simply curious and thought it would be an interesting thread. So here it goes...

The following is a list of coaches that meet the following criteria:

-coaches for a D-1 college basketball team
-has coached same team for 8 or more seasons. (present day to 2002)
-has not finished 3rd or higher in their conference or won their conference tournament

Jim Les- 8 seasons as Bradley (MVC) coach. Has made 1 NCAA appearance. Made Sweet 16

Leonard Hamilton- 8 seasons as Florida State (ACC) coach. Has made NCAA. Been ranked in top 25

Bill Carmody- 10 seasons as Northwestern (Big 10) coach. Been ranked in top 25

Derek Waugh- 10 seasons as Stetson (Atlantic Sun) coach

Mike Young- 8 seasons as Wofford (Southern) coach. Currently 2nd in conference.

Those are the ones I'm sure about. The following are current D-1 schools but I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) they havent been D-1 for 8 seasons:

Tony Ingle- 10 seasons as Kennesaw State coach

Rick Scruggs- 15 seasons as Gardner-Webb coach

Scott Nagy- 15 seasons as South Dakota St. coach

If anybody knows of any omissions please feel free to add. Its possible I missed one or two out of 300 something schools.
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Here to me is why this makes no sense.

The Big Ten & the A.C.C. are better conferences than the valley.

The other conferences are weaker than the valley.
If we had had the same teams in these weaker conferences we would have done just fine.

It's silly to compare them and there coaches.

If J.L. is here another 2 -3 years he will get the job done.

I for one am satisfied with what he has done and hope he stays.

Being there when we beat Pittsburg is something I will always remember, and J.L is who got that memory for me.
 
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