SaintLouBrave22
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Yes, I used my anger and frustration to drive all the way back after the game last night :evil:
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I dont blame the coaching
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Yes, I used my anger and frustration to drive all the way back after the game last night :evil:
BradleyBrave
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I just wonder how ISU is always ending up with these quality big guys inside and we are not. I know we went after some of them, but still, what's making them choose ISU over BU? Dilligard, Slack, Sampay, Odiakosa, Lewis, Carmichael...all of them are better than just about every interior recruit we've had in the last 3-4 years. Sure, we've had some comparable ones - ZA and Salley - but that's about it. Egolf can probably be added to that list too, but it's still grossly in favor of the school down the road. What a world of difference having just two of the guys mentioned above may have made with last year's team and this year's team. Sure we can play the 'if' game all day, but I think it's painfully obvious that the types of players mentioned above have been what's been sorely lacking from the program since 2006.
SaintLouBrave22
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Trending towards?
I'm not certain you can even say that!
When have we finished more than 2 games above .500 in conference?
Once in 8 years....
5th
6th
8th
5th
4th
5th
4th
?
Now like a broken record I say, where in there does it show improvement or a lack of the word you used "mediocrity"?
SaintLouBrave22
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C'Mon BB...you already know the answer...
Our system and play scheme gives no reason for a good big to want to come to Bradley...
Our system for big men is an absolute JOKE!
Yes we do, fortunately the games are played at a neutral site.
If, on the other hand, we were hosting
SaintLouBrave22
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I was trying to be nice...
Whats the point?
Its year 8 now, play time should be OVER!
DeltaBrave03
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If I were a big guy and I watched BU play and say how the 5 doesn't get more than 3 touches on the post. Why would I want to come play here and do nothing but set screens for the 4 guards?
Bradleyguy10
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Tired old arguments. "If you think you can do better why don't you apply?" is just one of them. Please. No one here has said they can do better and no one here is the coach. Does that automatically qualify everyone here to not have an opinion that they think someone else COULD be better? Who on this board has said they could do better than les? Way to side step the actual topic and debate ONCE AGAIN. Ridiculous excuses for everything that is Bradley. Stop with the free passes already. Accountability is progress.
To repeat myself- neither I nor anyone else here has ever said they are OK with losing nor does anyone support mediocrity. Can we finally drop this insult frequently thrown around here, that some of us support losing or mediocrity? (And btw, the last 4 seasons were winning seasons, not losing or .500 seasons)
Some fans simply believe the option of just changing coaches may not always be the best way to turn things around. Though it sometimes can work, please note that the bottom 5 teams in the MVC, and the 5 teams below Bradley, are all teams that have recently changed coaches hoping to sustain success or improve themselves.
Some fans simply believe the option of just changing coaches may not always be the best way to turn things around. Though it sometimes can work, please note that the bottom 5 teams in the MVC, and the 5 teams below Bradley, are all teams that have recently changed coaches hoping to sustain success or improve themselves.
SaintLouBrave22
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5th
6th
8th
5th
4th
5th
4th
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Finishes like those only work in the ACC, Big East, or Big Ten.
Is this a joke?
Losing last night changes a whole lot. To win the MVC tourney, you need to put yourself in a position to do it (i.e. not play on Thursday). A win last night would have brought us to within a game of second place; instead, we are going to really have to fight to stay out of Thursday.
tornado
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we have been waiting for weeks for just ONE example of who anyone would hire to replace our current coach..but nobody has a single example..
and the only programs anyone has pointed to as supposed examples of what we ought to be doing- Drake, MSU, ISU, SIU, CU etc...are all stuck in the middle of the pack, doing little or no better than BU, with fan bases who are all grumbling just as loudly as an element of the BU fan base...
so convince me if we did what they've done we'd hear even 1% less whining than we hear now? I don't see it.
I have shown time and time again the numerous threads on the message boards of all those other schools calling to fire the coaches they now have and most of them are the very examples (albeit weak) that we have heard!
I guess you can try to change horses in the middle of the stream, but...
if you don't have another horse, don't know where to get one, don't even know where to go or who to ask to find out where to get one, and wouldn't have the resources nor $$ to get one that's any better than the one you already have...then personally I wouldn't want to change horses, and think anyone who does is gonna sink...kinda like lemmings jumping off the cliff with no plan whatsoever
and the only programs anyone has pointed to as supposed examples of what we ought to be doing- Drake, MSU, ISU, SIU, CU etc...are all stuck in the middle of the pack, doing little or no better than BU, with fan bases who are all grumbling just as loudly as an element of the BU fan base...
so convince me if we did what they've done we'd hear even 1% less whining than we hear now? I don't see it.
I have shown time and time again the numerous threads on the message boards of all those other schools calling to fire the coaches they now have and most of them are the very examples (albeit weak) that we have heard!
I guess you can try to change horses in the middle of the stream, but...
if you don't have another horse, don't know where to get one, don't even know where to go or who to ask to find out where to get one, and wouldn't have the resources nor $$ to get one that's any better than the one you already have...then personally I wouldn't want to change horses, and think anyone who does is gonna sink...kinda like lemmings jumping off the cliff with no plan whatsoever
wily coyote
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Tornado I enjoy most of your posts,but this one is really kind of funny. Numbers show it to be true. Not many fouls were called,but if it had a bearing it was that we NEED SOME BIG BODIES to play with the elite in this league. How many times have we seen on this board,people complaining about all the whistles. Now you give us one complaint about not enough whistles. Which way should it be ? Maybe it depends more on whether we win or lose. The OFFICIALS had NO bearing on who won last night. They did NOT give up 17 offensive rebounds or miss any free throws for us. Overall I thought last nights game was fun to watch until we got stuck on 54 points. That also seems to happen more often then not. We don't need to place blame where it isn't, we just need to accept what it is.
I'm not necessarily in favor of replacing Les yet, but let's be fair. I distinctly remember someone tossing out a very nice list of names recently.
BradleyBrave
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What are you talking about? I posted a list of about 10 names a few weeks ago of people who fit the mold of someone BU could and should go after should the position ever be open again.
You must have a really low opinion of BU, the athletic department, our new facilities, our fan support, and our tradition if you don't think anyone would want to come here. As someone who donates a remarkable and commendable amount of time, energy, and personal resources to the university and program, I'd expect quite the opposite opinion.
tornado
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wily -- that's unfair....that's not at all what I did, I am NOT complaining...just citing that the sudden switching from refs that call a lot to refs who don't is hard to adjust and be prepared for and it favored ISU better than it favored us..
personally I'd love if it was like this all the time, and if it was, then when we had POB we'd have been undefeated and gone to the Final Four..
Anyway...a solid banger/center like Dinma took ISU 5 years of scholarship commitment and doesn't happen often in the MVC...we can want a center like that but it's not like you can get one off ebay...
and BB - I am sorry I never saw such a post..please relink if you would, please...
personally I'd love if it was like this all the time, and if it was, then when we had POB we'd have been undefeated and gone to the Final Four..
Anyway...a solid banger/center like Dinma took ISU 5 years of scholarship commitment and doesn't happen often in the MVC...we can want a center like that but it's not like you can get one off ebay...
and BB - I am sorry I never saw such a post..please relink if you would, please...
2002-2003-14-13 RPI 103
2003-2004-12-15 RPI 214
2004-2005-11-16 RPI 190
2005-2006-15-14 RPI 197
2006-2007-14-13 RPI 142
2007-2008-13-15 RPI 183
2008-2009-13-15 RPI 230
2009-2010-9-14 RPI 272
Those are the records and RPI for James Jones and the Yale Bulldogs since he was one of the coaching candidates for the BU job back in 2002. Many people wanted him as BU's coach, and some still voiced that Bradley should have tried harder to hire him even a couple years into Jim Les' regime.
I could do the same thing for almost all the other coaching candidates, as well as some of the many coaches that people here have said Bradley should hire. People here claimed Bradley should have gotted a bright innovative, successful coach like Jim Whitesell at Loyola, but his numbers are even worse in some ways. I don't have the time to pull out and post records for all the people who were touted here by some posters as far better coaching candidates for BU than Jim Les, but most aren't pretty.
My point again, is that nobody supports losing and nobody supports mediocrity. If it makes other posters here feel somehow morally superior to keep stating or impying that Bradley fans do, then OK.
But change for the sake of change does not always succeed.
2003-2004-12-15 RPI 214
2004-2005-11-16 RPI 190
2005-2006-15-14 RPI 197
2006-2007-14-13 RPI 142
2007-2008-13-15 RPI 183
2008-2009-13-15 RPI 230
2009-2010-9-14 RPI 272
Those are the records and RPI for James Jones and the Yale Bulldogs since he was one of the coaching candidates for the BU job back in 2002. Many people wanted him as BU's coach, and some still voiced that Bradley should have tried harder to hire him even a couple years into Jim Les' regime.
I could do the same thing for almost all the other coaching candidates, as well as some of the many coaches that people here have said Bradley should hire. People here claimed Bradley should have gotted a bright innovative, successful coach like Jim Whitesell at Loyola, but his numbers are even worse in some ways. I don't have the time to pull out and post records for all the people who were touted here by some posters as far better coaching candidates for BU than Jim Les, but most aren't pretty.
My point again, is that nobody supports losing and nobody supports mediocrity. If it makes other posters here feel somehow morally superior to keep stating or impying that Bradley fans do, then OK.
But change for the sake of change does not always succeed.
Who is "we"? Does more than 1 person post under the name "Tornado"?
Why does anyone need to create a list of possible coaches now? Jim Les is still the coach. Until the university makes the call it is irrelevant.
I can think of many coaches I would rather have here....
Roy Williams
Rick Barnes
Bill Self
Tom Crean
etc etc
or do you mean people who BU could actually get?
Start looking at top-level programs and find a good, young, assistant coach who has been learning under a quality coach. Maybe someone who is known as a hard worker, a good recruiter, and a good person as well.