I'd say this is pretty fair. I couldn't care less where we're ranked. I personally see us likely finishing 3rd, with the possibility of 1st to 5th. I am hoping we get good post play out of JP, I haven't seen anything out of WE that terribly impresses me, and even less out of AT. IMO for us to be better than 4th (maybe 3rd), 2 out of the 3 of our big men need to step up big time.
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Valley Media Day: BU Picked 5th
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I'd say this is pretty fair. I couldn't care less where we're ranked. I personally see us likely finishing 3rd, with the possibility of 1st to 5th. I am hoping we get good post play out of JP, I haven't seen anything out of WE that terribly impresses me, and even less out of AT. IMO for us to be better than 4th (maybe 3rd), 2 out of the 3 of our big men need to step up big time.
tornado
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just a couple facts to add..
Bradley actually moved UP in the rankings of NCAA basketball attendance figues..
In 2008-2009 Bradley was 54th
In 2009-2010 BU moved up to 52nd..still ahead of schools like Duke, Utah, LSU, Notre Dame, UCLA and dozens of other BCS schools.
2009-2010 saw only a handful of schools net attendance GAINS because of the economy and all were teams like UNI that had exceptionally good years, yet UNI still drew only 5600, 30% less than BU.
In 2008-2009, there were more than 30 schools who saw attendance jumps form the year before, but 2009-2010 showed only half that many..it was just the state of the economy..
As Da Coach said -- if there's a reason for attendance changes the past couple years there's more than just BU's on-court performance...
...I would add the economy as has been stated at all the other schools, but also, we didn't have the marquee home opponents like we've had in past years -- DePaul, Michigan State, Iowa State...etc..
As for not selling out the ISU game -- is your memory that short?? First -- it was an odd Tuesday night game, plus the weather was awful -- this thread about blowing snow, 5 inches had fallen by gametime, many, many cars in ditches, and people needing to get their snow blowers out...
.... is the thread from Feb. 8-9 when we played ISU.
The very fact that BU drew almost 11,400 on a Tuesday night like that is an astounding accomplishment and to be applauded not condemned..
http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14659
BTW -- did you note that Creighton's attendance dropped from 15,930 per game in 2008-2009 to 14,495 in 2009-2010! That's a HUGE drop -- 10%
...maybe they should clean house and start over!!
...but it's a sign that every team has unhappy fans -- even UNI had some grumbling fans last summer!!
MacabreMob
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As long as we're putting words in people's mouths...everyone is happy with 5th place. Wow, that was easy!
Exactly. LOL! :lol:
Braves4Life
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I think the bottom line on our predicted 5th place finish is what many have said -- respect is earned, not given. If all (or most) people (voters) think a certain way about you then there's probably a pretty good reason for it.
All I'll say is this -- Step up TB, WE, SM, AW, DD, Jim Les, and the rest of the Braves! :!: You've just been slapped in the face here. Disrespected! No excuses! Go get 'er done! :!:
All I'll say is this -- Step up TB, WE, SM, AW, DD, Jim Les, and the rest of the Braves! :!: You've just been slapped in the face here. Disrespected! No excuses! Go get 'er done! :!:
houstontxbrave
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I watch every game on the internet so obviously I do not see the games in person, but I did go to the Drexel game last year.
Bradley quoted the attendance at 9390. There is no way in the world there were 9390 at that game. I walked in the Civic Center and was given 2 tickets. There were huge blocks of seats everywhere empty. And there was little energy within the arena. The game was on a Saturday night and guessing there likely were about 7K actually in the arena.
Again, I do not see every game in person but when they pan the crowds with the cameras at the home games, most games last season looked exactly like the Drexel game. Yes there were exceptions.
Tickets sold is completely different then rears in seats.
Bradley quoted the attendance at 9390. There is no way in the world there were 9390 at that game. I walked in the Civic Center and was given 2 tickets. There were huge blocks of seats everywhere empty. And there was little energy within the arena. The game was on a Saturday night and guessing there likely were about 7K actually in the arena.
Again, I do not see every game in person but when they pan the crowds with the cameras at the home games, most games last season looked exactly like the Drexel game. Yes there were exceptions.
Tickets sold is completely different then rears in seats.
BradleyBrave
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I would have said the same thing if Mike Kryzewski was the coach. If you want to make it a JL thing that's you drawing a conclusion, not me. I just want Bradley to do well, I really don't give two s@$ts who the coach is. But, spin it however you want. 5th place is great!
That it is Houston. Illinois State only reports rears in seats. So last year for example ISU avg 6,500 for it's home games. This figure didn't include a good 2,500 to 3,000 students that purchased season tickets but didn't attend games (minus a few games against you guys, SIU, etc) . Not to mention hundreds of others who purchased season tickets and missed a game here or there for whatever reason.
But you can only sell one ticket for each seat. If the weather is bad and people decide to stay home or if someone would rather watch football on television, there isn't much you can do about that. That's why it's called a "sellout" when all tickets are actually sold. It does not mean the place is at capacity with rears in seats.
Either way, I've gone to many games at both places (though a lot more BU), and outside the BU-ILSU game, the best ILSU games don't come close to BU's average game, despite being 3 times the size and having TONS more alum and finishing higher the last 3 years. Suffice it to say that BU is ahead of ILSU, and pretty much everyone except CU and WSU, despite any discrepancy in reporting means.
MacabreMob
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It's not about me, DblB. And I didn't do any spinning. I really don't give two s@$ts either. 5th place is great. Just like in the 99-00 season (if I remember correctly), when Bradley was picked to win the MVC (yea, cause of RESPECT)... and we finished 5th. 5th! Yea - 5th place is great!
houstontxbrave
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The weather is one thing certainly, but if someone buys a ticket to an event and decides it isnt worth their time to attend the event because something is on television, well to me that says a lot about the event not the television.
I dont think most people spend money on an event then stay home to watch television unless the event they spent money on is well below expectations.
The empty seats say more then the tickets purchased.
There are a lot of Bradley season-ticket holders and I'm sure a number of them stay home on certain days to watch television. We're aware of some here that don't care for Sunday games because it interferes with their television viewing. That, to me, doesn't say anything about Bradley basketball other than certain people spend money on an event only to watch another event on television.
I was kidding too...I just had to throw that out to wake you up.
Seriously I've been positive for 8 years. I have understood injuries and POB leaving early etc. But, with ALL that, you still need to be a top 3 Valley team and win the Valley at least a FEW times in 9 years. I'm tired of 2:30......
I'll be there when it counts but no more reasons to NOT get it done.
And the fact we have more butts-in-seats than everyone in the league except CU and WSU says something.
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Even more impressive when you consider the size of the school!
Thanks Grassman....people can feel or believe what they want. The atmosphere and empty seats tells me people are staying home and while SOME may have to do with the economy BU is a product that if it is good people will come.
I am spinning nothing becuase its my opinion. Attendance was down....I'm NOT talking paid either. Actual rears in the seats were way off. ANYONE that denies that is, well in denial. The arena was a morgue most nights.
And if season ticket sales were indeed up then it REALLY tells a story when more people BOUGHT seats but then stayed home.....why...it can't be money becuase the seats are allready paid for.
I want BU to be sold out and rocking as much as anyone but most fans I spoke with from BU and impartial visitors commented how dead the place is.
Yeah, BU should be proud we do better then alot of others but, I only compare us to us and I think of the Hawk and AP years...the place was packed and loud.
You can't and shouldn't expect noise and large crowds when you blow 5-6 leads at home and lose like we did..
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You're equating season tickets with total butts in the seats. Not true. People who can afford season tickets are, by-in-large, not going to be effected by a downturn, but the regular joe's are, that is who largely didn't show up last year. At minimum it's $60 to take a family to see a game, when they could stay at home and watch it on TV or do something else. I'm lucky now that I can do stuff like that, but growing up I can tell you my family would not have been taking to many trips to do activites that would have cost us $60 for 2 hours of entertainment, especially in this economy (seeing as my father had to take a 50% pay-cut in his new job, after, not one, but two companies went under, and his current one is shutting down midwest operations).
Buesch N Chips
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People are less likely to come if they feel like they've already seen the movie. I think a bit of the staleness of the experience, for me anyway, was addressed by a new staff, and to a certain extent a new scoreboard.