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BU Shooting

BradleyJD

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This has nothing to do with the Duke game. I thought BU did as well as they could have with what we had and what we were up against.

However, after watching just about every minute of the season that I could, so far, something about BU's shooting keeps sticking out to me.

This is the worst shooting team I can ever remember watching.

Yes, I realize we are short 2 potential starters for the rest of the season, but it's hard to fathom how many wide open jumpers, layups, and free throws we have missed.

So, I went back and looked at the stats available on the BU website.

BU Shooting-
10-11 38.1% field 33.1% threes 67.6% ft
09-10 43.9% field 35.6% threes 74.4% ft
08-09 44.0% field 32.8% threes 71.9% ft
07-08 44.1% field 37.4% threes 74.4% ft
06-07 45.9% field 42.0% threes 67.8% ft
05-06 43.9% field 33.6% threes 71.8% ft
04-05 43.3% field 32.1% threes 71.1% ft
03-04 40.4% field 32.8% threes 72.5% ft
02-03 44.2% field 36.4% threes 70.3% ft

This year's team is, by far, the lowest FG% team in recent BU history. It also is the lowest FT% team. 3-point-wise this team is the 4th worst of recent teams.

Over the previous 8 seasons BU has averaged: 43.7%/field, 35.3%/3pt, and 71.8%/ft line. BU is sitting 5.6 points lower from the field, 2.2 points lower from 3, and 4.2 points lower from the FT line this season.

These are pretty striking numbers IMO.

It is very hard to win games, or even compete, when you can't put the ball in the basket.
 
With arguably our two best players out for the season, do you really expect us to light it up? And you do realize it's 9 games into the season right? We're not even a third of the way there.
 
WOW...saw the title of the thread and I went...Oh NO. Whew.....

I saw the stats posted by BradleyJD and I went...WOW!
Reminded of our injury problems, and went...Oh NO
Realized we have time to improve those numbers (only 9 games into the season) and went...Whew

Of course these reactions I had were nowhere near as serious & emphatic as yours Dogsrus! Guess in the end, there has been no shooting at BU this year either way you look at it.
 
With arguably our two best players out for the season, do you really expect us to light it up? And you do realize it's 9 games into the season right? We're not even a third of the way there.

I realize we have 2 guys out, although Sam's numbers from his games are included.

How does having 2 starters out change make D-1 college players miss free throws?
 
speaking of shooting...my shooting % took a dive a few years back when we played the TEAM at the work release center out by Hanna City....

my 1st shot from the baseline went completely over the rim....

thinking if I was shooting at the Dukie rims it would have the same effect there...what an atmosphere....
 
I realize we have 2 guys out, although Sam's numbers from his games are included.

How does having 2 starters out change make D-1 college players miss free throws?

I'll have to check the numbers, but yes, I believe losing two players who shoot a lot of free throws at a good percentage would draw down a team average FT %. I believe SM (for sure) and TB were among our top 3 or 4 FT shooters.
 
I'll have to check the numbers, but yes, I believe losing two players who shoot a lot of free throws at a good percentage would draw down a team average FT %. I believe SM (for sure) and TB were among our top 3 or 4 FT shooters.

Okay, guess I am the only one who feels D-1 players should be able to make lay-ups and free throws.
 
Sometimes it's not that the guys are missing shots or free throws but it's HOW they are missing them...I've seen some real bricks thrown up there by guys who are sapposed to be our "good" shooters! :oops:

You would think that if you had a former runner-up in the NBA 3-point contest and a former player who led the nation in 3-point shot percentage sitting on your bench that they would be able to teach these guys some shooting fundementals. :mad:

Hopefully this is happening and we will some improvement as the season wears on.
 
Sometimes it's not that the guys are missing shots or free throws but it's HOW they are missing them...I've seen some real bricks thrown up there by guys who are sapposed to be our "good" shooters! :oops:

Well that is what is noticeable to me. I guess I am surprised at how poor the shooting is. To me, this isn't even about coaching exactly. I am just shocked at how off our shooting looks.
 
I was going to do some complicated analysis on who's replaced TB and SM in the lineup (and may still do that for shooting pct... But if you look at FTs, it's all about missing TB and SM.

In 2009-2010 Bradley took 621 FTs and made 462 for a .744 pct. AW/TB/SM combined for 293 makes out of 346 attempts or a .847 pct. That means those guys took 56% of Bradley's free throws and made 85% of them.

In 2010-2011 Bradley is 117-173 or .676 pct. AW/TB/SM have combined for 56 of 65 or a very impressive .862... Those guys (and two of them aren't playing obviously) actually improved their free throw shooting by a 1% but are now only taking 38% of Bradley's free throws instead of 56%.

Looking another way, here are the numbers for the players other than AW/TB/SM over the two years:
2009-2010 - 169-275 or .615
2010-2011 - 61-108 or .565
So they're a fair amount worse this season compared to last-- but the root cause for your bad FT shooting pct is, hands down, the loss of SM & TB. The rest of the results are what you could expect.

I'm interested to spend some more time on the regular shooting pct and scoring differentials between TB & SM and their replacement players.
 
Okay, guess I am the only one who feels D-1 players should be able to make lay-ups and free throws.

I'm not saying I disagree or anything with that statement... But when we talk about the affect of losing TB & SM some things you can directly analyze. FT% and FG% are one of those things. What we can't figure out, directly, anyway, is what the loss of those guys does to things like AW's shooting % since he's more closely guarded now, or what happens to JP or WE because they're playing against a zone because we can't shoot from the outside.

The bunnies frustrate me too, and I've NEVER been able to understand how guys who play basketball all day can't make FTs (lol, even if I can't make FTs hehe) consistently... Just when we can use numbers to understand something, it makes us smart fans to take a look.
 
I was going to do some complicated analysis on who's replaced TB and SM in the lineup (and may still do that for shooting pct... But if you look at FTs, it's all about missing TB and SM.

In 2009-2010 Bradley took 621 FTs and made 462 for a .744 pct. AW/TB/SM combined for 293 makes out of 346 attempts or a .847 pct. That means those guys took 56% of Bradley's free throws and made 85% of them.

In 2010-2011 Bradley is 117-173 or .676 pct. AW/TB/SM have combined for 56 of 65 or a very impressive .862... Those guys (and two of them aren't playing obviously) actually improved their free throw shooting by a 1% but are now only taking 38% of Bradley's free throws instead of 56%.

Looking another way, here are the numbers for the players other than AW/TB/SM over the two years:
2009-2010 - 169-275 or .615
2010-2011 - 61-108 or .565
So they're a fair amount worse this season compared to last-- but the root cause for your bad FT shooting pct is, hands down, the loss of SM & TB. The rest of the results are what you could expect.

I'm interested to spend some more time on the regular shooting pct and scoring differentials between TB & SM and their replacement players.

Obviously, the loss of TB and SM are playing a factor is BU's season. You make some good points there, however I still am amazed by the numbers.

We have guards like DD, DSE, and WL all shooting under 70% from the line. I guess it just stuns me that guards, of all people, would be poor shooters.

So I understand we are missing players who would help improve our numbers, but the guys actually playing just seem way way off at times.
 
Obviously, the loss of TB and SM are playing a factor is BU's season. You make some good points there, however I still am amazed by the numbers.

We have guards like DD, DSE, and WL all shooting under 70% from the line. I guess it just stuns me that guards, of all people, would be poor shooters.

So I understand we are missing players who would help improve our numbers, but the guys actually playing just seem way way off at times.

Yeah I understand when a 7 footer with hands the size of a VW Bus struggles to shoot well, but when guards-- sometimes even good shooters-- struggle with FTs I also find it mistifying.
 
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