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canadian said:
Agreed. Do you promise to not keep dropping "JL hater" or "anti BU" labels on people? I know I will do my part.
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I don't believe you find me using those terms regularly like we have seen numerous insults thrown daily in the direction of those who do not go along with the fire the coach crowd.

I do think it is appropriate to identify fans who want Jim Les fired as anti-JL, and I am guilty of that. I guess I can understand when fans get angry, but it is not correct or appropriate to accuse or imply that it's the fault of other fans, or to denigrate other fans who don't agree.
 
BradleyBrave said:
Seriously though, the 'T' didn't cost us the game. ..
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did anyone else actually see and hear what happened...?
Jim Les protested one of the many bad calls by simply declaring the call bad (using a word that's heard commonly in the college game).
Many, many coaches use that exact same word non-stop and never get "T'ed" up for it...so I think the refs action was really, really unreasonable and just another example of the god-like ego that those guys exhibit.
 
Da Coach said:
I don't believe you find me using those terms regularly like we have seen numerous insults thrown daily in the direction of those who do not go along with the fire the coach crowd.

I do think it is appropriate to identify fans who want Jim Les fired as anti-JL, and I am guilty of that. I guess I can understand when fans get angry, but it is not correct or appropriate to accuse or imply that it's the fault of other fans, or to denigrate other fans who don't agree.
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Fair enough. I personally will not insult anyone. You have my word.

We do disagree on your "anti-JL" definition. That's why I don't think its fair to use it.

I guess here is my belief. I am always going to lean towards what is best for the program. If that means a change in direction at the head coach position, then I would be in favor of that. It has nothing to do with me being "anti" the person who has the job. It's not a personal thing to that.

I was anything but "anti" Jim Molinari. I love the guy. Personally and for what he did as the head basketball coach. But when he was let go I understood the decision and believed it probably was time for the move.

In no way was I ever "anti" Jim Molinari. Just as I am not personally "anti" Jim Les. I am, and always will be, what is "pro" the long term success of the program. The individuals change, the program is still there.

Make sense?
 
or we could be like the standard media and blame any bad occurrence on what Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh says...
 
tornado said:
or we could be like the standard media and blame any bad occurrence on what Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh says...
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Huh? One--not sure how this is relevant to Bradley basketball. Two--I have no idea what you are talking about. I listen to, read, follow a decent amount of media and not once have I heard anyone blame anything on what Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh says. Intelligent people realize what those two say have no bearing on much of anything really. They are entertainers. Nothing more, nothing less. Much like Keith Olbermann is.
 
tornado said:
did anyone else actually see and hear what happened...?
Jim Les protested one of the many bad calls by simply declaring the call bad (using a word that's heard commonly in the college game).
Many, many coaches use that exact same word non-stop and never get "T'ed" up for it...so I think the refs action was really, really unreasonable and just another example of the god-like ego that those guys exhibit.
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I wasn't at the game but it's apparent that JL doesn't get any respect from the refs. I do think he brought some of this upon himself by complaining too much face to face about way too many calls early in his career...and now he has no leash whatsoever...especially for a 9 year coach in the MVC
 
The official who called the technical was standing across the court, and downcourt from Jim at about the level of the top of the key. He should have been paying attention to what was going on, but he was also getting an earful from a certain fan right there who likes to ride the refs. I think the technical was payback for a number of previous things that ref didn't like coming from Jim and the fan(s).
 
Da Coach said:
The official who called the technical was standing across the court, and downcourt from Jim at about the level of the top of the key. He should have been paying attention to what was going on, but he was also getting an earful from a certain fan right there who likes to ride the refs. I think the technical was payback for a number of previous things that ref didn't like coming from Jim and the fan(s).
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I think its a stretch to say an official gave Jim Les a technical in a crucial part of the game because some fan was giving him grief. These guys are professional and hear stuff all the time from fans. The fan/fans had nothing to do with it.
 
canadian said:
I think its a stretch to say an official gave Jim Les a technical in a crucial part of the game because some fan was giving him grief. These guys are professional and hear stuff all the time from fans. The fan/fans had nothing to do with it.
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Yeah, sure. You need to be there to see how much interaction actually does go on with some of those refs and the fans, especially a couple known agitators. :)
 
Da Coach said:
Yeah, sure. You need to be there to see how much interaction actually does go on with some of those refs and the fans, especially a couple known agitators. :)
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I go to Bradley games. I go to hundreds of college games each year. Some with about 75 people there, some with 15,000 there. Fans get on officials everywhere. Not just at Bradley.

Officials at the DI level don't give technicals to coaches because some fan has been giving him grief. That's silly.
 
Total conspiracy here...and I'll admit I'm thinking out loud. I've a question, because I haven't been following along perhaps as well as I should have.

I read in this thread that Jim has had 3 such late technical fouls late in close games (does that include the silly T he got against ISU).

The reason I ask is that some folks around me have postured that he may be actively trying to get a buy-out. And it does seem odd that he would choose to mouth off down two when his team is in the thick of battle.

It was clearly a foul and from Jim's vantage point he most likely couldn't have seen it. Is it far fetched to think Jim may be doing his part to "seal his fate" or a real possibility in your opinions?
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LG281 said:
Total conspiracy here...and I'll admit I'm thinking out loud. I've a question, because I haven't been following along perhaps as well as I should have.

I read in this thread that Jim has had 3 such late technical fouls late in close games (does that include the silly T he got against ISU).

The reason I ask is that some folks around me have postured that he may be actively trying to get a buy-out. And it does seem odd that he would choose to mouth off down two when his team is in the thick of battle.

It was clearly a foul and from Jim's vantage point he most likely couldn't have seen it. Is it far fetched to think Jim may be doing his part to "seal his fate" or a real possibility in your opinions?
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In my opinion, that is not even a possibility.
 
canadian said:
I think its a stretch to say an official gave Jim Les a technical in a crucial part of the game because some fan was giving him grief. These guys are professional and hear stuff all the time from fans. The fan/fans had nothing to do with it.
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The ref that called the T...was staring down Coach Les and looking for a reason to T him up...I was close enough to him ...the ref was not watching the action of the game...he was staring at JL...that is unprofessional in my opinion...if he is not staring at JL he is not T ing him up...not condoning JL's words of choice or timing...
 
mrcoachdude said:
The ref that called the T...was staring down Coach Les and looking for a reason to T him up...I was close enough to him ...the ref was not watching the action of the game...he was staring at JL...that is unprofessional in my opinion...if he is not staring at JL he is not T ing him up...not condoning JL's words of choice or timing...
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In your opinion he was "looking for a reason to T him up". Obviously that's not fact. I don't think officials are looking to call T's on teams in the guts of the game. Unless of course they are "out to get" JL which they probably are ;)
 
Da Coach said:
Yeah, sure. You need to be there to see how much interaction actually does go on with some of those refs and the fans, especially a couple known agitators. :)
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Oh come on now DC! Pollard maybe but he'd just have the fans thrown out...


But to say Les got a T because of Mark Scott is absolutely absurd!
 
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