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dogsrus

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Boo, Slack and Osiris. JL was looking at all three. Of those 3 which would you have wanted. I say only OE. Don't think Boo would have got much PT and Slack/Salley is a wash.

If we get Boo we don't have a scholie for Warren correct? I think it would have worked that way for OE also....OE = no AW? While it appears OE MIGHT be a bit ahead of AW I think AW will be a tremendous player for BU.

OE seems to be getting the benefit of more PT and a chance to show more of what he can do. Due to BU's depth AW hasn't got as many minutes but when he does play he's looked good.
 
Here is my take, but I am sure one of the ISU fans will have something to say, but the stats
I offer come right from the ISU official site.......so you cannot deny the stats....you decide...
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I agree that Boo Richardson would cut into the playing time of Ruffin, Franklin, and Tauai,
and simply wouldn't have been needed. He is very inconsistent and has had some really horrible,
turnover-prone games.
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Anthony Slack had some good games early, and looked like a lock for the All Newcomer team,
until suddenly he started playing in the conference and his production stalled. Now he doesn't even start
and has become a bench player.
Look at Slack's production in ALL GAMES vs. just CONFERENCE GAMES:

NON-Conference Gms....25.5mpg, 11.5ppg, 7.0rpg, 1.6bpg, 2.0spg, 63%FG, 63%FT
Conference Games only..20.3mpg, 7.6ppg, 5.4rpg, 0.3bpg, 0.7spg, 58%FG, 56%FT

BY CONTRAST..here are Matt Salley's stats for Conference games:
Salley in MVC games......24.3mpg, 8.7ppg, 4.6rpg, 0.9bpg, 0.4spg, 47%FG, 50%FG
I think Matt Salley is every bit as good and as valuable as Slack would have been.
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Lastly, Osiris Eldridge because of his size might even be playing behind Andrew Warren.
Even though he had shown he can score some, he doing so by launching a lot of shots.
His 3-pt shooting pct. is 35.1% and is essentially the same in league play as overall, so his really poor start
(only made one of his first 18 3-pt shots) didn't seem to be that much of an aberration.
Eldridge's overall shooting accuracy is 37.9% and FT's are 69%.
Here is a really telling stat..........
Since MVC play started seven games ago, NO PLAYER on ISU has shot as many FG attempts as Osiris Eldridge!
For a guy who is 6th overall in scoring on a very poor-scoring team, the guy is presently
LEADING the team in FG ATTEMPTS!!

So the entire reason he is scoring better is NOT better shots, better shot selection, or better shooting accuracy,
it is simply because of taking a whole lot more shots.
(Shot attempts per game in non-conference games was 63 shots in 11 games -5.6shots per game.
IN CONFERENCE PLAY, he is launching 77 shots in 7 games -- 11.0 shots per game!! --
MORE than twice as many shots of late, but not twice the scoring.)

I really don't know if we need a shoot first guard whose defense is not yet proven.
And Eldridge has a 0.7 assist to turnover ratio.
He will be a fine player in due time, but ISU is asking way too much of him right now, and
he is doing the best he can, but he isn't helping them win any games.
 
Eldridge will have a good career.
He has always been a scorer, and both Les and Moser knew that when they were recruiting the kid.
If he plays he is going to shoot the rock.
A more challenging question is whether Porter Moser will be around to coach Eldridge for four years.
 
That is one of the hot topics on the Redbird message board
In one poll, only about 1/2 even want him to return next year.
http://redbirdfan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6097&sid=e492e2cfa3950076b8cdd4d8e697f010
http://redbirdfan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6087&sid=e492e2cfa3950076b8cdd4d8e697f010

"This is the worst coached team at ISU i've every seen"
http://redbirdfan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6080&sid=e492e2cfa3950076b8cdd4d8e697f010

"This Coaching staff is just not very good."
http://redbirdfan.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6092&sid=e492e2cfa3950076b8cdd4d8e697f010

Porter Moser at ISU 42-60.
Jim Les's record by the time he lost 60 games, 62-60 with one Swet Sixteen appearance.
 
Richardson's play has been inconsistent, but he is a JC transfer, and very few JC players are able to make the transition to D1 ball without a few bumps in the road.

I think Slack has been playing injured.....bad back? IMO, that would affect his ability to perform up to his capabilities.

OE came into the MVC with the reputation of being a shooter/scorer, and I've seen/heard nothing so far that would change that.

I think all three players will improve with time. The question is.....how much time does Porter have left to "right the ship"?
 
OrangeandBlack74 said:
Richardson's play has been inconsistent, but he is a JC transfer, and very few JC players are able to make the transition to D1 ball without a few bumps in the road.

I think Slack has been playing injured.....bad back? IMO, that would affect his ability to perform up to his capabilities.

OE came into the MVC with the reputation of being a shooter/scorer, and I've seen/heard nothing so far that would change that.

I think all three players will improve with time. The question is.....how much time does Porter have left to "right the ship"?
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well put.....
 
tornado said:
I really don't know if we need a shoot first guard whose defense is not yet proven.
And Eldridge has a 0.7 assist to turnover ratio.
He will be a fine player in due time, but ISU is asking way too much of him right now, and
he is doing the best he can, but he isn't helping them win any games.
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Eldridge leads ISU in rebounds in conference games averaging 5.9 boards per game. (for comparison purposes, in conference games, BU's leading rebounder is ZA at 6.1 boards per game.)

He also leads ISU in offensive rebounds in conference games with 20. (for comparison purposes, in conference games, BU leading offensive rebounder is MS with 20.)

Not to bad to have the 6'3 Eldridge listed with 6'11 Andrews and 6'7 Salley when it comes to rebounding.

I can't wait til the first year shooting guard's defense improves.
:D
 
cpacmel said:
Not to bad to have the 6'3 Eldridge listed with 6'11 Andrews and 6'7 Salley when it comes to rebounding.

I can't wait til the first year shooting guard's defense improves.
:D
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Wow - has Zach had a growing spurt?

:lol:

He's only 6'8" cpac (and Salley is 6'7"). :wink:
 
cpacmel said:
Eldridge leads ISU in rebounds in conference games averaging 5.9 boards per game. (for comparison purposes, in conference games, BU's leading rebounder is ZA at 6.1 boards per game.)

He also leads ISU in offensive rebounds in conference games with 20. (for comparison purposes, in conference games, BU leading offensive rebounder is MS with 20.)

Not to bad to have the 6'3 Eldridge listed with 6'11 Andrews and 6'7 Salley when it comes to rebounding.

I can't wait til the first year shooting guard's defense improves.
:D
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Rebounding is a GLARING weakness for this years Braves' team. We're consistently getting beat on the boards night in and night out. Comparing "King O's" (:lol:) stats to this isn't saying much.
 
cpacmel said:
tornado said:
I really don't know if we need a shoot first guard whose defense is not yet proven.
And Eldridge has a 0.7 assist to turnover ratio.
He will be a fine player in due time, but ISU is asking way too much of him right now, and
he is doing the best he can, but he isn't helping them win any games.
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Eldridge leads ISU in rebounds in conference games averaging 5.9 boards per game. (for comparison purposes, in conference games, BU's leading rebounder is ZA at 6.1 boards per game.)

He also leads ISU in offensive rebounds in conference games with 20. (for comparison purposes, in conference games, BU leading offensive rebounder is MS with 20.)

Not to bad to have the 6'3 Eldridge listed with 6'11 Andrews and 6'7 Salley when it comes to rebounding.

I can't wait til the first year shooting guard's defense improves.
:D
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If Zach Andrews was 6'11", BU would be ranked and possibly undefeated. He's 6'8" tops.
 
My point wasn't to rip ISU. I was doing moreso for the fact I was upset at one time for losing out to ISU on 3 guys that NOW only bothers me with 1 OE.

I don't think Slack and Boo would have helped much if you look at who we would have not got instead.
 
My bad to ZA on giving him 6'11, when in reality he is only 6'8.

Eldridge is 6'3 and rebounding as well as the 6'7 MS and the 6'8 ZA, that's all I was trying to say, to Tornado who said Eldridge's defense wasn't proven yet. :-P
 
mel, rebounding stats can be deceptive, especially when shooting pct. are low and lots of shots are clanging long with nobody to go get them but the quicker, bigger guards.
:wink:

BTW..let's see if stats show ISU is a better team with Osiris playing more and rebounding more...

Eldridge is not leading the team in rebounds overall, only leading in conference games (nine of them) but when you factor in the 11 non-league games his figures fall to 3rd best on the team...but note that since the conference season started, Osiris IS playing a awfully lot more minutes, averaging 29 miniutes per game, which is THE MOST TIME ON COURT of any player over 6'1".
Therefore, it only stands to reason he's gonna get more rebounds.
The real question is whether it's helping his team win games.

ISU's record in 11 non-conference games with Osiris playing 16.5mpg and getting 2.5rpg.= 8-3, 5-0 at home

Compare to ISU's record in conference games with OE playing 29mpg, and grabbing 5.9rpg.= 3-6, 3-3 at home

I would say the evidence that it's helping his team is simply not there.
 
Wow. Rebounding stats can be deceptive. I will have to remember that one T. 8)

Yes, ISU had a better record in the non-conference season when Eldridge wasn't starting. However, the teams Eldridge is starting against now, in conference are just alittle bit better than the non-conference foes that ISU played.

I just remember you saying that Eldridge's college game would suffer because all the kid could do was dunk.

And now when the guy is averaging close to 6 boards in MVC games, you spin away.... :D

You might want to actually see the guy play, before jumping to conclusions about him. :D
 
I would take OE on BU in a second. He would fit perfectly into our offence and thats why Coach Les wanted him. That said, he is going to get spanked tommorow night! :lol:
 
cpacmel said:
I just remember you saying that Eldridge's college game would suffer because all the kid could do was dunk.
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I didn't say exactly that, I said that he got a whole lot of his points in high school by simply being way more athletic than his HS opponents and going thru and over them.

Again, I made the point that he is not a particlarly great outside shooter, and the facts do support me. If he were on the Bradley Braves with his present shooting stats, he be pretty close to the worst 3-point shooter on the team, and I have shown that time and again with fatcs and stats.
He looks pretty good, however when put up against the shooting on the Redbirds.

And I am pretty sure I never said he couldn't rebound, none the less, I have already given a bit of a "Mea culpa" and said I eat my words on whether he'd be able to do much as a freshman. He has proven a bit wrong on that, as he is doing pretty good for a freshman.
I have said He IS doing considerably better than I have thought, and have also said from day one, that I know BU and Jim Les liked him and wanted him, just that I thought he'd struggle a bit more as a frosh.
 
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