Accountability

[tornado]

Seems I recall a whole lot of people demanding that Jim Les and his staff take full accountability for certain past issues such as summer overpayments, drug suspensions, and players leaving the program.
Now that some of those same things and MORE are happening in Champaign, we are all being told to really feel pity for Bruce Weber and all the terrible things that keep happening.
It's just so sad, because BW cannot possibly be hald accountable....

Will those same people who piled on Jim Les please be forthright and hold Bruce Weber, Wayne McClain, and staff accountable as well?
Can we please have a column from Kirk Wessler taking those guys to task?

Here is a discussion on just ONE of KW's column that demanded Jim Les be held accountable for all kinds of perceived bad stuff.
And he's asked the same thing in other columns as well.
http://www.bradleyfans.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=460

I plan to post this same post on the "other board" and let's just see how long it lasts... :wink:

 

[squeaky]

I personally don't care what they do at Illinois. But to turn on Bruce Weber and suggest Illinois get rid of him as some fans are doing is ridiculous. He has just coached them through the most successful 3 season stretch in their history. He was 26-7, 32-2, and 26-7 in his first 3 years (84-16, an 84% winning percentage, 3 straight NCAA appearances, a Sweet 16, and a runner-up).

But I am just glad the people at Bradley had the patience and the foresight to see what only a few people elsewhere could see. That Jim Les is a winner and was building toward a successful program with quality kids. That deeply negative drone in March of 2005 was followed 1 year later by the best season in the lifetime of many BU fans, including me. Thank goodness the reactionaries didn't get their way.

 

[bu fan 9]

They will cover this whole mess up just wait and see.

 

[bert notorius]

2005-06 Jim Les 22-11 .667
2004-05 Jim Les 13-15 .464
2003-04 Jim Les 15-16 .484
2002-03 Jim Les 12-18 .400

2005-06 Bruce Weber 26-7 .788
2004-05 Bruce Weber 37-2 .949
2003-04 Bruce Weber 26-7 .788

Sometimes success can be blinding. 8)

 

[tornado]

Just to clarify...the purpose of this thread is NOT to take on Bruce Weber, so much as to show the hypocrisy of certain locals who spent the better part of 3-4 years blaming Jim Les for every conceivable problem that could be found, for attacking him and demanding he be held accountable for numerous issues, then those same people seem incredulous when it is suggested that Bruce Weber be held just as accountable for serious problems and issues at UIUC.

Nobody ever said Weber can't coach, but already the response on the other board is to attack me and deny the issue altogether.
If any of Jim Les' players were having 1/10 the issues that Bruce Weber's players are having (thefts, break-ins, arrests, DUI's, and/or serious accidents while driving in suspicious circumstances), I can assure that the local anti-JL squad would be out in force. All I ask is why are they not similarly holding BW accountable?

The Answer--- is that certain people are held to be immune to attack, but with JL it is always open season.

Interestingly, in the thread on the other board that tries in vain to find some criticism with who BU has lost to (BU Gory Details), the response by me was deleted because, of course, any thread that wants to attack BU or attack JL is allowed to stand unchallenged.


Edit--- and now the entire thread asking the very question I pose here has been deleted.
Again...always open season on BU but the bashers can't handle the same questions asked about their precious UIUC and ISU.

 

[real fan]

I think when you are dealing with issues outside of basketball the school needs to step up and start making decisions as to whether to suspend or terminate a player for outside behavior.

 

[bert notorius]

Sorry. My mistake. Carry on. Sometimes I get confused comparing apples to lug nuts.

 

[georgethedog]

Sorry. My mistake. Carry on. Sometimes I get confused comparing apples to lug nuts.

That's ok Bert. It was nice to read your posts. Usually someone has to go to a bowling alley to meet someone of your stature. :lol:

 

[bert notorius]

Sorry. My mistake. Carry on. Sometimes I get confused comparing apples to lug nuts.

That's ok Bert. It was nice to read your posts. Usually someone has to go to a bowling alley to meet someone of your stature. :lol:

I bowl in the high 90's, thank you. :lol:

People tend to be a lot less tolerant when the team is sitting at 13 -15 after the new guy came in with such great expectation. BW is going to get a little more slack due to his record. The big wind drug me onto this by dissin' my guy, or so I thought.

 

[dogsrus]

Sorry. My mistake. Carry on. Sometimes I get confused comparing apples to lug nuts.

That's ok Bert. It was nice to read your posts. Usually someone has to go to a bowling alley to meet someone of your stature. :lol:

I bowl in the high 90's, thank you. :lol:

Me too unless the bowling alley has no air conditioning....

 

[MacabreMob]

Just to clarify...the purpose of this thread is NOT to take on Bruce Weber, so much as to show the hypocrisy of certain locals who spent the better part of 3-4 years blaming Jim Les for every conceivable problem that could be found, for attacking him and demanding he be held accountable for numerous issues, then those same people seem incredulous when it is suggested that Bruce Weber be held just as accountable for serious problems and issues at UIUC.

Nobody ever said Weber can't coach, but already the response on the other board is to attack me and deny the issue altogether.
If any of Jim Les' players were having 1/10 the issues that Bruce Weber's players are having (thefts, break-ins, arrests, DUI's, and/or serious accidents while driving in suspicious circumstances), I can assure that the local anti-JL squad would be out in force. All I ask is why are they not similarly holding BW accountable?

The Answer--- is that certain people are held to be immune to attack, but with JL it is always open season.

Interestingly, in the thread on the other board that tries in vain to find some criticism with who BU has lost to (BU Gory Details), the response by me was deleted because, of course, any thread that wants to attack BU or attack JL is allowed to stand unchallenged.


Edit--- and now the entire thread asking the very question I pose here has been deleted.
Again...always open season on BU but the bashers can't handle the same questions asked about their precious UIUC and ISU.

I LOVE IT T!

You are so right on.

Funny how some fans are still in denial over Jamar. My friend's brother-in-law (UIUC fan) said yesterday how there is nothing to this whole accident - it is just an accident and can't believe people are trying to suggest alcohol is even involved.

 

[lefty]

Personally T...I think you are way off base on this one.

Everyone thinks JL is doing a good job.

I think most everyone agrees BW is a good coach

Stuff that happens on and off the court will reflect somewhat on the coach.

BU wasn't playing good basketball then and JL had been the coach for awhile and their didn't seem to be any improvement.

That's all......

 

[Mikovio]

2005-06 Jim Les 22-11 .667
2004-05 Jim Les 13-15 .464
2003-04 Jim Les 15-16 .484
2002-03 Jim Les 12-18 .400

2005-06 Bruce Weber 26-7 .788
2004-05 Bruce Weber 37-2 .949
2003-04 Bruce Weber 26-7 .788

Sometimes success can be blinding. 8)

I have a hunch Jim Les might have done a little better if he had inherited a roster full of Bill Self recruits

Welcome, Bert. I appreciate your honesty and wit....

 

[MacabreMob]

Stuff that happens on and off the court will reflect somewhat on the coach.

Yea, you're right. Only "somewhat" is on the coach. The "otherwhat" is on the program.

And as I was told NUMEROUS times in the 2005 season, Bradley's and Illinois' programs are on different levels.

:twisted:

 

[jiminy cricket]

Who cares what some "other board" says or does. I have been there on that board and I have never seen anyone mention this board. Let them be them and you be you. I thought I have read on here that the reason this board was started was to give BU fans a place to discuss BU hoops without attacks and slams etc, yet the very poster that says that also attacks and slams. Makes no sense. This is a great board, let it go

 

[bert notorius]

I have a hunch Jim Les might have done a little better if he had inherited a roster full of Bill Self recruits

Welcome, Bert. I appreciate your honesty and wit....

Thanks, Mik. You're an officer and a gentleman. A lot of your posts make my brain hurt...

 

[MacabreMob]

Bert - I think you should either:

1) quit posting here (only kidding - read #2)

2) continue posting ONLY if you use some of your famous avatars (those things are GREAT!)

 

[MacabreMob]

Re: Accountability

...we are all being told to really feel pity for Bruce Weber and all the terrible things that keep happening.

I have been very open toward my Illini friends....

I am salivating, evilishly rubbing my hands together with a sinister look on my face over this whole ordeal.

You don't like it? I hope when I die they bury me face down so you all can.....

 

[bert notorius]

"My sister, Carrie, got killed in a car wreck 28 years ago. I have flashes of that night???‚¬???the phone calls, the screaming, the crying. The other night was very similar. I never got to see my sister again. This time we have two guys who are alive, so we have a lot to be thankful for. -bw

 

[tornado]

Personally T...I think you are way off base on this one.

Everyone thinks JL is doing a good job......

I disagree strongly...
there are those who are lying in wait to pounce on JL but things are just going well enough that maybe you don't notice them.
But I do...they still sneak in a few jabs and insults whenever they can, and if I respond over there on the other board, my posts are continuously deleted.

lefty, because I am likely the highest-profile, most vocal pro-BU guy on the message boards, I am continually the target of those who want to continue the attack via private messaging.
If you'd like, I'll show you some of the PM's I've gotten from some very prominet posters on the other boards who hate JL and will take any opportunity to attack him.
They are holdover, frustrated Wayne McClain fans who never wanted JL as head coach and still haven't let up.

They are the same 8000+ posters who act like they are really BU fans when in fact they are anti-BU.

They loudly and vocally condemned JimLes and the entire coaching staff when there were issues that caused some of the BU kids to be ineligible, and they called on JL to be held accountable.

Also-- some local columnists have also held JL accountable for those issues...even at certain points in the past 5 years hinting JL should be fired!

All I ask is why we don't see those same people holding BW and WM accountable.
I think the answer is that they are totally anti-JL biased and that their opinion of the issues is not fair nor objective, they're just using the issues to attack Jim Les.
If they were fair or consistent, they would be asking that BW and his coaching staff be similarly held accountable.
In other words....what's good for the goose....