IlliBraves
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We're still only 6 spots behind Mo State. Anyone think it's possible to leapfrog them, even with getting swept by them?
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Is there any hope?
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BradleyBrave
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Blind Resume:
Record: 21-12
RPI: 40
SOS: 19
Conference Record: 10-8, 4th place
Conference RPI: 5
Road/Neutral Record: 8-9
Record v Top 50: 2-6
Record v Top 100: 6-10
Record in Last 10: 6-4
Lost leading scorer for 8 conference games (5-3)
If that comes from the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Big East, SEC, or Pac-10, it's a no-brainer. The seeding is the only real question. But, that's BU's resume, but we're barely even talked about for an at-large bid.
Record: 21-12
RPI: 40
SOS: 19
Conference Record: 10-8, 4th place
Conference RPI: 5
Road/Neutral Record: 8-9
Record v Top 50: 2-6
Record v Top 100: 6-10
Record in Last 10: 6-4
Lost leading scorer for 8 conference games (5-3)
If that comes from the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Big East, SEC, or Pac-10, it's a no-brainer. The seeding is the only real question. But, that's BU's resume, but we're barely even talked about for an at-large bid.
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georgethedog
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BradleyBrave said:
The record vs. Top 50 and Top 100 really tell the story. It is hard to argue those numbers. Too bad. NIT bound...
BradleyBrave
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georgethedog said:
Agreed, but like I said, that resume gets a BCS team in every time.
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georgethedog
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Bravesfan said:Fetz86 said:
As I have said many times before, there is no way that the number five ranked conference (or even number six or seven) will not get at least three teams in. Whether Bradley could be a fourth is anyone's guess. But three is a given. Book it
BradleyBrave said:
Air Force's resume included that they were the regular season champion of the Mountain West Conf.
But as I posted in another thread, the majority of years, a team with an RPI where Bradley's is, around 40, have gotten in as at-large.
http://www.bradleyfans.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6447
MacabreMob
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Da Coach said:
Air Force was NOT the MWC winner last year (they were 12-4 and SD St was 13-3).
Air Force had NOTHING on their resume over other bubble teams to merit an at-large other than having a tie to someone on the selection committee.
And then, as the weakest team put in the tourney (with an at-large), UIUC gets 'em... 'silver platter' for an over-rated B10 team to help them get to the Sweet 16.
Haha - all the sweeter it was UIUC lost to Washington just before Bradley played themselves into the Sweet 16 on EVERYONE'S tv on Sunday of the 2nd Round (while there were NO OTHER games being played).
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georgethedog said:Bravesfan said:Fetz86 said:
As I have said many times before, there is no way that the number five ranked conference (or even number six or seven) will not get at least three teams in. Whether Bradley could be a fourth is anyone's guess. But three is a given. Book it!
Three is not a given unless the committee wants to make-up for screwing MSU last year. The MVC will get 2 and that is all because the numbers just don't favor BU or MSU. The only real help for MSU is they beat Wisconsin and that may be enough... we really did not beat anyone (other than SIU at home).
Well george, has there ever been a top 7 conference that did not get at least three teams in? Maybe someone can do the research, or I can check the records.
Bravesfan said:georgethedog said:Bravesfan said:Fetz86 said:
As I have said many times before, there is no way that the number five ranked conference (or even number six or seven) will not get at least three teams in. Whether Bradley could be a fourth is anyone's guess. But three is a given. Book it!
Three is not a given unless the committee wants to make-up for screwing MSU last year. The MVC will get 2 and that is all because the numbers just don't favor BU or MSU. The only real help for MSU is they beat Wisconsin and that may be enough... we really did not beat anyone (other than SIU at home).
Well george, has there ever been a top 7 conference that did not get at least three teams in? Maybe someone can do the research, or I can check the records.
Actually, I just answered my own question. According to Kenpom.com, of the 24 conferences that finished in the #5 to #7 spot from 1999 to 2006, there were just two instances were conferences failed to get more than two teams into the tournament. Those were the 2001 WAC conference, and the 2005 West Coast Conference, both of them earning two bids. Both finished in the #7 spot. Therefore, no conference that finished #6 or higher have ever earned fewer than three bids.
Therefore, unless the Valley falls to seventh, there is no way the Valley will fail to earn at least 3 bids.
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georgethedog
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Coach, that is because most of those teams were from BCS conferences and they get better treatment.Da Coach said:
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georgethedog
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Bravesfan said:georgethedog said:Bravesfan said:Fetz86 said:
As I have said many times before, there is no way that the number five ranked conference (or even number six or seven) will not get at least three teams in. Whether Bradley could be a fourth is anyone's guess. But three is a given. Book it!
Three is not a given unless the committee wants to make-up for screwing MSU last year. The MVC will get 2 and that is all because the numbers just don't favor BU or MSU. The only real help for MSU is they beat Wisconsin and that may be enough... we really did not beat anyone (other than SIU at home).
Well george, has there ever been a top 7 conference that did not get at least three teams in? Maybe someone can do the research, or I can check the records.
There is always a first for everything! Look at MSU's rpi last year and they did not get in.
Braves4Life
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Disagree
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I gotta disagree with you about BU barely getting a mention. Nearly every show talking about bubble teams has gone out of their way to mention Bradley (not MSU or any other Valley teams, mind you).
This is a good thing. I still hold out hope that we'll slip into the dance. Say a prayer :wink:
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BradleyBrave said:
I gotta disagree with you about BU barely getting a mention. Nearly every show talking about bubble teams has gone out of their way to mention Bradley (not MSU or any other Valley teams, mind you).
This is a good thing. I still hold out hope that we'll slip into the dance. Say a prayer :wink:
BradleyBrave
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That's why Saturday's loss was so tough to take. I truly believe if we win that game, we are in.
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Braves4Life said:
That's why Saturday's loss was so tough to take. I truly believe if we win that game, we are in.
IlliBraves
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Well, boys, VCU is about to do us a HUGE favor. Can't ask for a better scenario than VCU winning the CAA. Yes, there is still a chance that ODU and Drexel will get a bid, but now our RPI is automatically boosted. You've gotta figure the committee is not going to give the CAA 3 bids. KEEP THE FAITH!!
We've all fantasized about being a fly on the wall during the selection committee's annual rendezvous. I just wonder about lasting impressions in your last game. Remember, the 34 at-large teams will enter the field of 65 coming off losses. While Missouri State has some heft from that big win over Wisconsin, and they have a 2-0 advantage over Bradley, the Braves went 1-4 against Creighton and SIU. The Bears finished 0-5 against the Jays and Salukis. The lasting impression on the committee could be the fact that Bradley pushed Southern Illinois to the limit and very nearly won in the MVC semifinals, while MSU got smoked in their semi against Creighton. We're still the longest of long shots unless some really stupid things happen during the rest of the week. And by stupid, I mean other bubble teams losing their first games of their respective conference tournaments.
BradleyBrave
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The more I look at this, the more I think it will be a slight travesty if BU doesn't get in. Nothing like MSU's screwjob last year, but nonetheless a travesty. I am looking at Jerry Palm's bracket, and I think Jerry is great at what he does. I just can't figure out these teams being in ahead of BU. It essentially says that RPI, SOS, and wins away from home mean NOTHING.
Here are some of Palm's teams that he has in WAY ahead of BU:
Drexel - 22-8, RPI 40, SOS 98, 13th rated conference, 2 losses outside top 100
Purdue - 20-10, RPI 48, SOS 46, 2 road wins, 2 losses outside top 100
Syracuse - 21-9, RPI 49, SOS 49, 2 losses outside top 100
UMass - 23-7, RPI 56, SOS 137, 3 losses outside top 100, 10th rated conference
Old Dominion - 24-8, RPI 39, SOS 90, 1 loss outside RPI top 200, 13th rated conference
Now, I am sure that I am biased, but I think BU's profile of 20-12, RPI 44, SOS 19, and only 1 loss outside the top 100 is at minimum discussion-worthy, if not worthy of at-large consideration. I know it is living in a fantasy world to think of getting an at-large bid, but d@mn it, our profile puts in any other BCS team and it's even putting in mid-majors in lesser conferences. It just isn't right.
Here are some of Palm's teams that he has in WAY ahead of BU:
Drexel - 22-8, RPI 40, SOS 98, 13th rated conference, 2 losses outside top 100
Purdue - 20-10, RPI 48, SOS 46, 2 road wins, 2 losses outside top 100
Syracuse - 21-9, RPI 49, SOS 49, 2 losses outside top 100
UMass - 23-7, RPI 56, SOS 137, 3 losses outside top 100, 10th rated conference
Old Dominion - 24-8, RPI 39, SOS 90, 1 loss outside RPI top 200, 13th rated conference
Now, I am sure that I am biased, but I think BU's profile of 20-12, RPI 44, SOS 19, and only 1 loss outside the top 100 is at minimum discussion-worthy, if not worthy of at-large consideration. I know it is living in a fantasy world to think of getting an at-large bid, but d@mn it, our profile puts in any other BCS team and it's even putting in mid-majors in lesser conferences. It just isn't right.
BradleyBrave
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BTID said:
The his last 4 out are:
DePaul - 17-12, RPI 60, SOS 34, 3 losses outside top 100, lost to BU by 20
Illinois - 21-10, RPI 35, SOS 26, only 3 road wins, beat BU by 4
Florida St - 19-11, RPI 47, SOS 24, 7-9 conference record, lost 5 of last 7
Stanford - 18-11, RPI 57, SOS 23, 4-6 in last 10
Heck, they're almost better than the 5 teams I listed as Palm already having in the tournament! Again, BU can't even make this discussion? Because they're in the MVC? A top 5-7 conference with the #4 non-con SOS? It defies logic, it really does. Yes, maybe I am still in meltdown mode after the heartbreaker to SIU, but it seems like the 'important' numbers just don't mean anything unless you're in a BCS conference.
FWIW - These are all numbers WITHOUT the 13 game Jeremy Crouch injury consideration. If we are given ANY credit for that, our numbers are even better. This week is going to drive me insane.