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2007 BU commitment- David Collins
- Thread starter Big Mike
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That's great we have Collins, but I have to say I am worried about the inside play more than outside. We have the majority of our outside shooters back (excluding Tauai and Franklin). If Crouch and Ruffin have another great 3pt year, AND we get a VERY solid player in the middle, we may be everything we could hope for.....BUT the question is...are the BIGs as solid as we think they truly are or are we simply having higher expectations than we should...?
dogsrus said:
It's a matter of opinion, but I just can't quite agree with terming the home crowd against UNI a "debacle". Let's save those terms for the schools that really deserve them.
def: debacle- a complete collapse or failure.
Now maybe the BU team losing to UNI that Tuesday night, Feb. 20, at home 79-70 is a debacle in some people's mind. But UNI may have played their best game of the year that night and shot 63% overall on the road, and 80% from 3-point range for the game. Most teams are going to win with that kind of great shooting.
But I wouldn't call the crowd a debacle. The attendance was 9,049. Maybe slightly disappointing for a fan base like Bradley's, but there are almost 300 Division 1 teams who would die for a crowd like that for a midweek cold winter night. I think terms like debacle should be reserved for some of our conference members that have pitiful crowds of 3-5,000 and student crowds in the dozens when they have student populations of more than 20,000.
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Big Mike
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I really think that any BIG that comes to BU and does what the staff says will have a HUGE UPSIDE! This staff has a way of taking player's to the top of their game.....very few have left here not better than players than when they arrived! DC looks like he has the ability to get up and down the court and after looking over his photo thread........a 7 fooer who can jump too :-o ....well that is something you cannot teach so he looks taylor-made for the Braves O' and practicing every day against 6'10 AT will only improve both players skill level! The sky is the limit for these young men in my book! :mrgreen:
Da Coach said:
I don't "worry" about others attendance DC...just ours and it was a debacle for what I expect for BU. And if there was 9k at THAT game we had 19k at the DePaul game. :lol:
7500 max.....
I agree BU should be proud of their most loyal fans but THAT nite still irks me. I'm one that thinks crowds can influence play and THIS might be a stretch but that was one game that could have put us into the NCAA's.
We, as fans, blew it. I understand that there were some HS games and that hurt us but I still expected more.
JMHO...
BradleyBrave
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Da Coach said:
I think what made the crowd abnormally small that fateful night v. UNI was the number of local HS games going on. There were big AA games and A regional games going on locally. If you do the math with the number of high schools in action that night, and the number of people attending those games, it's amazing that BU had as many as they did. Poor scheduling is probably more to blame than anything. Had that game been on a Wednesday rather than a Tuesday, I think you would have seen close to 10K welcoming home the Braves after their big win at VCU.
bravesonly
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all i want from DC is rebounds, a few game changing blocks, and some highlight real dunks off oops from DR, anything else we get from him is a plus in my book....what is everyone else looking for out of this guy?
BradleyBrave said:
Another factor for bad tuesday attendance is that night is when frats and sororities meet. If i didn't believe that the crowd could influence games then i would not care NEARLY as much about basketball and the braves as i do. But what is the added value of a some fans who don't care as much and sit on their hands in the back?
houstontxbrave
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matt714gd said:
Basketball boils down to two things possessions and points. If you get more rebounds that gives you more possessions and the other team less, hence less opportunities to score more points and you more opportunities to score more points.
Rebounds can never be overrated.
tornado
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Big Mike said:
Two factors put BU in the situation they found themseleves in this season...with rebounding difficulties....
One was the departure of POB when BU had not anticipated it in time to recruit a replacement center.
Second was Zach's senior year difficulties staying out of foul trouble. Although the rips on MVC officiating this past season were way less than prior years, it was still the same as ever in the respect that any contact in the paint by a defender guarding the man with the ball was always whistled a foul.
This is not the way the Big Ten or almost any other league patrols the paint, only the Valley. I've said it for years, and it's why really GOOD big men never choose the Valley to play and are only RARELY ever successful in the Valley.
I know we didn't hear too much complaining because the fouls were certainly less than last season and before when we used to see 60 total fouls per game routinely, but the situation was still quite unfortunate for Zach. He simply never was able to adjust to the ticky-tack calls everyone in the Valley gets in the lane.
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georgethedog
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houstontxbrave said:
On the flip side of that, turnovers have a similar effect. Last year's team averaged 17-18 per game (just guessing) and this year's team around 12-13 (if I remember right). So, we rebounded less, but at the same time we had more possessions that did not end in a turnover. That was a product of our 3-4 guard offense with better ballhandlers. I am not advocating a 4 guard offense, but there are always two sides and always trade-offs. If we get more rebounding next year because we play more BIG players, I would bet our turnovers will be up thus partially offsetting the advantage of getting more rebounds. It would be nice if we could rebound and not turn it over!!!!!!
houstontxbrave
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georgethedog said:houstontxbrave said:
On the flip side of that, turnovers have a similar effect. Last year's team averaged 17-18 per game (just guessing) and this year's team around 12-13 (if I remember right). So, we rebounded less, but at the same time we had more possessions that did not end in a turnover. That was a product of our 3-4 guard offense with better ballhandlers. I am not advocating a 4 guard offense, but there are always two sides and always trade-offs. If we get more rebounding next year because we play more BIG players, I would bet our turnovers will be up thus partially offsetting the advantage of getting more rebounds. It would be nice if we could rebound and not turn it over!!!!!!
This season we were out rebounded 1285 to 1047 that is a difference of 6.8 boards per game.
We turned the ball over 399 times versus 553, that is a positive difference of 4.4 per game.
The rebounding difference was extremely substancial in several games:
TT -8 L
@UNI -16 L
H MSU -25 L
@WSU -16 L
@CU -15 L
@MSU -17 L
H CU -10 L
H UNI -10 L
SIU -8 MVC tourney L
Miss St -19 L
Extremely common theme, we were pounded on the boards in these games and lost all the above games.
Our guards will continue to handle the basketball and more then likely minimize tournovers, and I do agree that turnovers can change or effect a game tremendously. But, a tournover at mid court, I believe is not as detromental as giving up 2-3 offensive rebounds in one possession.
Ill take an extra 1 to 3 tournovers per game if we can bring the rebounding totals much closer to equal.
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georgethedog
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houstontxbrave said:georgethedog said:houstontxbrave said:
On the flip side of that, turnovers have a similar effect. Last year's team averaged 17-18 per game (just guessing) and this year's team around 12-13 (if I remember right). So, we rebounded less, but at the same time we had more possessions that did not end in a turnover. That was a product of our 3-4 guard offense with better ballhandlers. I am not advocating a 4 guard offense, but there are always two sides and always trade-offs. If we get more rebounding next year because we play more BIG players, I would bet our turnovers will be up thus partially offsetting the advantage of getting more rebounds. It would be nice if we could rebound and not turn it over!!!!!!
This season we were out rebounded 1285 to 1047 that is a difference of 6.8 boards per game.
We turned the ball over 399 times versus 553, that is a positive difference of 4.4 per game.
The rebounding difference was extremely substancial in several games:
TT -8 L
@UNI -16 L
H MSU -25 L
@WSU -16 L
@CU -15 L
@MSU -17 L
H CU -10 L
H UNI -10 L
SIU -8 MVC tourney L
Miss St -19 L
Extremely common theme, we were pounded on the boards in these games and lost all the above games.
Our guards will continue to handle the basketball and more then likely minimize tournovers, and I do agree that turnovers can change or effect a game tremendously. But, a tournover at mid court, I believe is not as detromental as giving up 2-3 offensive rebounds in one possession.
Ill take an extra 1 to 3 tournovers per game if we can bring the rebounding totals much closer to equal.
If we shoot and miss and don't get the rebound or we turn it over, these are the same effect. The other team now can try to make a basket.
If they shoot and get an offensive rebound or we get the rebound and turn it back to them, these are the same effect. The other team now can try to make a basket. The only difference is that an offensive rebound may put the other team in a better position to score a basket because it could be a put back close to the basket. However, not all offensive rebounds are close enough for an easy put back and many turnovers lead to just as easy of a basket on a break away.
Let's just say they are both important! I think interior defense is also just as important. If the other team can't score, we win!
I agree with George here, people look too much at a stat than what a stat means. Missing a shot has the same outcome as a turnover but people don't treat it the same.
I think this years team which looks to have GREAT guards will keep turnovers down. I also agree with whoever brought up the point of big men with good hands, I hope DC has good hands, because as much as I love MS, he does not, he mishandles balls often. Either way I expect the rebound margin to improve(a result of better interior defense in a lot of ways).
I think this years team which looks to have GREAT guards will keep turnovers down. I also agree with whoever brought up the point of big men with good hands, I hope DC has good hands, because as much as I love MS, he does not, he mishandles balls often. Either way I expect the rebound margin to improve(a result of better interior defense in a lot of ways).