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Jeremy Robinson commits to ISU

tornado said:
I have a few friends in the medical profession, BB, and I stand by my statement.

Jeremy may have a release from his medical doctor, but that doesn't mean he is released to play basketball.
If that's what you think is meant by the statement in the Pantagraph, then you are being very hopeful.
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The next line quotes his coach as saying he looked good during open gym. 2 months after surgery is a little fishy though so either it wasn't a full tear or there is something else going on.

tornado said:
Not sure what you mean by "common" but there are virtually NO players you can name playing well
at the TOP level of basketball who have made it back from an ACL.
Guys like Brandon Rush and Bill Walker have a long road ahead of them, as does Jeremy.
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I thought for sure i'd be able to get you on this one. You are correct though, there are virtually no TOP level basketball guys who have made it back (Nene hardly counts as TOP). However, your statement is a little skewed because I am also having a hard time finding any TOP guys who TORE their ACL...therefore there obviously won't be any who've made it back.
I guess I was thinking football (NFL and NCAA) where ACL tears are pretty commonplace these days. And there are plenty of All-Pro players who have recovered from the surgery to perform again at All-Pro levels. While the sports are different, I firmly believe that if you can recover enough athleticism to play at an All-Pro level in the NFL, you can recover enough to play at an All-Star or TOP level in NBA, NCAA basketball.

tornado said:
The typical rehab process takes 6 month to over a year...just ask Sam Singh.
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I agree. And the player doesn't usually get their full athleticism back until the second year. Which would be his first at ISU.

tornado said:
If you think I am so outdated, then give me a short list of top college players or NBA players
who have made it back 100% from an ACL surgery....
There are actually NONE.
Some have come back and been good players, NONE have ever come back and been great or all-star caliber players.
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Does the bold mean you're yelling at me? Its kind of silly. And you're repeating yourself. I've addressed above.

tornado said:
Here is an article as current as can possibly be about ACL's, it's from about a month ago...

It highlights that it is possible to "come back from this injury close to 100 percent",
but not 100%, and the timetable is a minimum of 6 months.
http://blogs.cjonline.com/index.php?entry=3691
(written by a very well known Orthopedic Surgeon, not a message board poster)
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I refrained from posting links to medical articles in my last post because you can find one from just about anyone saying just about whatever you want. But if you want, I can find something that refutes yours. (written on a very well known Medical Site, not an internet blog)

Bottom line here is that I don't think we're arguing about much.
 
Sounds like a nice get for ISU albeit with some risk. I am by no means a medical expert, but I would suspect that the major issue here would be the risk re-injury to the acl. (as is the case
with most sports related injuries)

Best of luck to this kid and hope this reignites the war on 74.
 
Yes....this definitely sounds like a high risk-high reward situation. I would be nervously optimistic if BU had gotten the commitment. Good luck to Jeremy.
 
cpacmel said:
tornado said:
Jeremy may have a release from his medical doctor, but that doesn't mean he is released to play basketball.
If that's what you think is meant by the statement in the Pantagraph, then you are being very hopeful.
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Tornado, what do you make of this statement:

Moore said Robinson was fully released by doctors last week.
???‚¬?“Last Monday in open gym he looked good,???‚¬?? said Moore.
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What do you think goes on at open gyms? Last time I checked, it was alot of basketball things. (shooting, pick up games, etc.) 8)
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mel--
I have been at open gyms, but I sure don't play basketball, even when I am looking pretty good!
8)
If he is playing basketball at open gyms, then if I were you I'd be pretty danged worried...given it's only 2 months since ACL surgery.
He might have been standing and shooting, but let's pick up on this again once you actually find anyone who sees him playing ball against live opponents.


And Boston, the first post you made seems to be labelling me as outdated and wrong, then your next post says you're agreeing with me.

Either way....I said quite plainly I think Jeremy Robinson is a good player, and a good get for ISU, but if someone says he's already working out, closing in on 100% recovery, and playing well in open gyms, then I have some land in Florida to sell you.
The kid is not likely to be playing ball competetively against opponents for several more months, and his future is still not certain.
His own coach says:
"he???‚¬?„?s a work in progress"
and
"Jankovich will see the finished product in two or three years"

Robinson himself also said he needs to "get my knee ready for college"
http://www.freewebs.com/chipatsj23h/jrobcommits.htm

and has been "out of action during the July evaluation period"
http://www.ilprepbullseye.com/page34.html
 
And that is why high school coaches don't say things like "tornado looked good last Monday at open gym". :D

I am sure he was doing more than you do at open gyms, why would his coach say he looked good if he was just sitting around? He obviously was doing something good for his coach to make that comment.
 
If I see a guy who is 2 months post ACL surgery, and if the guy is walking without a cane and able to get up out of a chair, then I tell him he's "looking good".
If you wish to think he was out on the floor playing full contact basketball, then fine, but I don't believe it and I have a little medical background to feel comfortable saying that.


Find me even ONE example of a kid with ACL surgery who was playing basketball in 2 months.
Take your time, talk to a couple ortho specialists, then get back to me.
It is simply a physical impossibility.
 
tornado said:
His own coach says:
"he???‚¬?„?s a work in progress"
and
"Jankovich will see the finished product in two or three years"
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Sounds like a guy with a very high ceiling.

Should we say that Robinson is the first recruit that has potential to get better in time?
 
tornado said:
cpacmel said:
tornado said:
Jeremy may have a release from his medical doctor, but that doesn't mean he is released to play basketball.
If that's what you think is meant by the statement in the Pantagraph, then you are being very hopeful.
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Tornado, what do you make of this statement:

Moore said Robinson was fully released by doctors last week.
???‚¬?“Last Monday in open gym he looked good,???‚¬?? said Moore.
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What do you think goes on at open gyms? Last time I checked, it was alot of basketball things. (shooting, pick up games, etc.) 8)
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mel--
I have been at open gyms, but I sure don't play basketball.
If he is playing basketball at open gyms, then if I were you I'd be pretty danged worried...given it's only 2 months since ACL surgery.
He might have been standing and shooting, but let's pick up on this again once you actually find anyone who sees him playing ball against live opponents.
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If it was just the ACL, a near full recovery can happen. If there was any damage to the meniscus, there's a likelihood of recurring problems. I'm speaking from experience as I've had the ACL replacement surgery. It's been almost 7 years now and the ACL part, in other words my knee capsule, is still very much solid. The problem is that I continue to have fraying of the meniscus that gets into the joint and completely aggravates the knee. I have to admit that the first couple of years post surgery it took forever to actually trust the knee was solid, although I was up and playing softball and b-ball after about 7 mos of recovery. Because of the meniscus repair, they had me on crutches for 6 weeks. I was told that without that they would have had me walking and active in p/t within 3 weeks. I was 37 when I hurt myself - so my recovery time might have been a little skewed when you compare it to a 17 y/o, but to be back in action after 2 mos seems quite improbable to me. Athletically, once I trusted the knee again I did not feel I lost any more than I would have through the normal aging process. This is just my POV - FWIW.

I think that ISU may have gotten a steal here by the time the kids a SO or Jr. Good luck to Jeremy.
 
They all have the potential to get better in time, so I am not sure what you mean.
I believe Jeremy Robinson will be as good or better than Slack is, and the two are very similar...in size, physique, in the ability to bang inside, to score, and in their shooting abilities and range.

I said right from the start, it's a good get, and real steal.
I would have liked to see Robinson at BU and healthy.
 
tornado said:
If I see a guy who is 2 months post ACL surgery, and if the guy is walking without a cane and able to get up out of a chair, then I tell him he's "looking good".
If you wish to think he was out on the floor playing full contact basketball, then fine, but I don't believe it and I have a little medical background to feel comfortable saying that.


Find me even ONE example of a kid with ACL surgery who was playing basketball in 2 months.
Take your time, talk to a couple ortho specialists, then get back to me.
It is simply a physical impossibility.
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T, no one said he was playing basketball. We have said he went to open gym. What he did at Open Gym is a mystery to everyone.

You say he might have just been walking without a cain, I say he was doing some basketball stuff.

I'll take the word of his high school basketball coach over yours.

If he says he looked good at open gym, I am going to assume that mean basketball wise, not walking without a cain wise.
 
As you wish, but that quote is in the Pantagraph...so you sure you are standing by it??
:lol: :lol: :wink:
 
tornado said:
As you wish, but that quote is in the Pantagraph...so you sure you are standing by it??
:lol: :lol: :wink:
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You make a good point there.

Honestly, who knows what he did at open gym. Even if he shot 10 free throws, that would be progress for him.

I guess we will see when the Fall comes and high school basketball starts back up.
 
cpacmel said:
tornado said:
If I see a guy who is 2 months post ACL surgery, and if the guy is walking without a cane and able to get up out of a chair, then I tell him he's "looking good".
If you wish to think he was out on the floor playing full contact basketball, then fine, but I don't believe it and I have a little medical background to feel comfortable saying that.


Find me even ONE example of a kid with ACL surgery who was playing basketball in 2 months.
Take your time, talk to a couple ortho specialists, then get back to me.
It is simply a physical impossibility.
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T, no one said he was playing basketball. We have said he went to open gym. What he did at Open Gym is a mystery to everyone.

You say he might have just been walking without a cain, I say he was doing some basketball stuff.

I'll take the word of his high school basketball coach over yours.

If he says he looked good at open gym, I am going to assume that mean basketball wise, not walking without a cain wise.
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Again - from my experience - he may have been doing some straight line running - but definitely do not think he would be doing any cutting or side to side motions that soon after surgery. If his coach had seen him go through the pre-surgery & post-surgery period and saw him running straight line in the gym - I could see him making such a statement. He also has the kids well being at heart and defiinitely wouldn't want to say anything negative.
 
By the way, I found another report by Dan Poneman' s site,
by Cavan Walsh.....the same guy who wrote yesteerday's article:

"Jeremy Robinson ???‚¬??? Recovering from knee surgery 3-4 weeks ago. He???‚¬?„?s very anxious to get on the court again this summer and didn???‚¬?„?t wear a brace, but rumor has it that he will not be near 100% until November-December."
 
I tore my lateral meniscus many many moons ago. I SUSPECT I also damaged my ACL but it was never "caught". My knee has never been 100% since so I had a MRI recently.

I have NO ACL... :-o :-o :-o . It could have been a birth defect but I suspect it was when I tore the meniscus.

Anybody bored yet :lol:

My point is it hasn't stopped me from my athletic endeavors one bit although the fellows at the home have stated they don't see near the balance or explosion I used to have during our daily shuffle board battles.
 
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