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MVC v. B10

MacabreMob

MacabreMob

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RESULTS:

11/23
Bradley 67-56 vsIowa (SP Island Classic)
IU 70-57 @ ISU

UPCOMING MATCHUPS:

12/1
Indy St @ Purdue
SIU vs IU

12/4
BU vs Michigan St

12/5
UNI vs Iowa

12/14
Drake @ Iowa

12/23
Mo St vs Purdue*

* potential matchup in Las Vegas Classic
 
bert notorius said:
Any B10 team that loses to the Valley should immediately have its membership revoked! ;)
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That is one of the dumbest things I have heard in awhile. The Valley has proven in the last few years that it is one of the premier basketball conferences in the country. There is no shame in a Big 10 team losing to a top-tier Valley team.
 
bert notorius said:
Any B10 team that loses to the Valley should immediately have its membership revoked! ;)


I see IU going down in Carbondale.
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IU doesn't look to have much past Gordon. I wonder how the IU faithful will react should IU not meet expectations in Gordon's 1 season there. After all, they have basically sold their soul to try and restore basketball glory.
 
BradleyBrave said:
IU doesn't look to have much past Gordon. I wonder how the IU faithful will react should IU not meet expectations in Gordon's 1 season there. After all, they have basically sold their soul to try and restore basketball glory.
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It won't work out for them. You cannot buy a team, nor can one player make you a champion. It is my belief that a champion is built around a team of good but not great players who develop into great players over their four years. I do not like this rule the NBA has in place because I believe that it is ruining college basketball by forcing players who couldn't care less about college basketball to stay in school for a year.
 
IlliBraves said:
It won't work out for them. You cannot buy a team, nor can one player make you a champion. It is my belief that a champion is built around a team of good but not great players who develop into great players over their four years. I do not like this rule the NBA has in place because I believe that it is ruining college basketball by forcing players who couldn't care less about college basketball to stay in school for a year.
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I remember watching a NBA game with commentary from Bill Walton. He had thought it would be a good idea to maybe change the rule so that you can choose to go to the NBA straight out of high-school or if you chose to go to college you had to stay all four years. I think it was a Spurs game, and Bill was citing Tim Duncan as an example of how you could be a better basketball player by developing in college.
 
I think that the players going to the pros out of high school or playing college ball for a year has been an equalizer between the big schools and the smaller schools.
 
How so? I think it would make the field more equal by making players either play all 4 years or go pro right out of high school. Teams like us have done pretty well the past couple of years scrapping together teams of good but not great athletes who have developed into better players.
 
IlliBraves said:
It won't work out for them. You cannot buy a team, nor can one player make you a champion. It is my belief that a champion is built around a team of good but not great players who develop into great players over their four years. I do not like this rule the NBA has in place because I believe that it is ruining college basketball by forcing players who couldn't care less about college basketball to stay in school for a year.
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What about 2003 and Carmelo Anthony? They were national champs and it was mainly because of 1 player. His supporting cast was less than what Gordon has at Indiana this year.
 
cpacmel said:
What about 2003 and Carmelo Anthony? They were national champs and it was mainly because of 1 player. His supporting cast was less than what Gordon has at Indiana this year.
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I disagree. Hakim Warrick and Gerry McNamara were really solid. IU has some good guards and DJ White but that Syracuse team was more then just Carmelo. I know he was the superstar, but there was a lot more to that team then just Anthony.
 
IlliBraves said:
How so? I think it would make the field more equal by making players either play all 4 years or go pro right out of high school. Teams like us have done pretty well the past couple of years scrapping together teams of good but not great athletes who have developed into better players.
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I always thought that high schoolers going right to the NBA gave mid-majors a better chance. Guys like Greg Oden and other top tier high schoolers going straight to the pros narrows the talent gap between so called "power" schools and us. We will get guys with about the same talent level regardless of if players are going pro straight out of high school, but take away a player like Kevin Durant from Texas last year and replace him with a less talented player and mid-major schools have a better chance to win more games.
 
ser_solace said:
I remember watching a NBA game with commentary from Bill Walton. He had thought it would be a good idea to maybe change the rule so that you can choose to go to the NBA straight out of high-school or if you chose to go to college you had to stay all four years. I think it was a Spurs game, and Bill was citing Tim Duncan as an example of how you could be a better basketball player by developing in college.
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I've heard recently from major coaches, Coach K as one of them, saying that the NBA's ruling is hurting the college game and he would like to see a rule if a player goes to college they have to stay for two years before they can be considered for the draft.

I'm not sure how this would help the little guy since we never get a one and done but it probably would be good for the college game. This would allow the one and done go to the Pros right out of HS.
 
My intention is not to lessen Bradley's victory over a powerful B10 team, but Iowa this season could possibly be the worse team they have had in over 30 years. They will be lucky to win 4 more times this season.
 
Rusty 54 said:
I always thought that high schoolers going right to the NBA gave mid-majors a better chance. Guys like Greg Oden and other top tier high schoolers going straight to the pros narrows the talent gap between so called "power" schools and us. We will get guys with about the same talent level regardless of if players are going pro straight out of high school, but take away a player like Kevin Durant from Texas last year and replace him with a less talented player and mid-major schools have a better chance to win more games.
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That's an interesting thought. I see what you're saying as far as going straight out of high school, just not so much if you're staying for a year with regards to closing the talent gap. I figure those guys aren't going to be pro no matter what, and I also think the level of talent at schools such as Bradley and Southern Illinois among others has increased drastically. Also, while the big boys can recruit superstars, mid-majors more often play "team ball" and center themselves around the fundamentals, playing a more traditional style of basketball than what I often see as a hybrid-street ball I often see with these superstars.
 
BUBraves06 said:
I disagree. Hakim Warrick and Gerry McNamara were really solid. IU has some good guards and DJ White but that Syracuse team was more then just Carmelo. I know he was the superstar, but there was a lot more to that team then just Anthony.
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If Warrick and McNamara were so good, why didn't they return to even the Elite 8 the year after they won the National Championship? Because Carmelo was the difference between a Sweet 16 team and a National Championship team.
 
SanFranciscoPete said:
I've heard recently from major coaches, Coach K as one of them, saying that the NBA's ruling is hurting the college game and he would like to see a rule if a player goes to college they have to stay for two years before they can be considered for the draft.

I'm not sure how this would help the little guy since we never get a one and done but it probably would be good for the college game. This would allow the one and done go to the Pros right out of HS.
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I agree that it should be at least 2 years. One year of college doesn't really do much for the kid or the school. You still can end up with "potential" sitting on the end of a bench and a good veteran out of the league.

Syracuse was more than just Melo. He was the difference, but that wasn't a one man show like Durant at Texas last year.
 
This is an interesting discussion that you guys are having.

I've always considered the one and done to be a bit of a benefit to us smaller schools. For example, for each Gordon, Mayo or Beasley that a big school signs, it fills a scholarship and bumps another 3 or 4 star player (who may actually stay 4 years) that the school would have signed to a different, often smaller school like a Bradley, Creighton, SIU, etc. The net effect is that we get a player we may not have otherwise been able to land and the big school has to fill the hole the next year after the superfrosh jumps to the NBA.

Another potential long term advantage we may have is what Bob Knight talked about last year. If enough of these superfrosh keep leaving for the NBA from the same big schools, it could cause the big schools to ultimately lose scholarships as the graduation rate will fall below the new NCAA thresholds. I don't know how likely this particular potential advantage really is though...
 
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