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Group report from SP. BU with a gutty comeback. Will not blame this on refs as Vandy is good. Killer was Wilson with three questionable first half calls that had him sitting. We all saw his impact in the second half. This guy wants a rebound and he won't be denied. He is a smooooooth Boogie. Horrible intentional foul on Warren with BU coming back....the ref was ripped by everyone there. Dogs....

OB74 here.....I'll let DRU and the others do my commentary.....I have NO voice left (literally)!!

Dallas Brave here ... Vandy won the game, but BU did not walk out of the arena as losers. BU' second half effort was admired by everyone at the game, regardless of school affiliation. It reminded me of when the team two years ago discovered their internal fortitude. The Bradley fans that made the trip were great as well. We outcheered the Iowa fans last night and dominated the Vandy fans tonight.

#32 for Vandy was a ton, they made most of their MANY Fts, BU offense hit a dry spell in the 1st half. The defense was not good, but Vandy is good and extremely well coached. A win against a B10 team and a game that shows the team can comeback from way down against a good opponent, a good trip. The newbies are growing. Let's go to Loyola and get a win! b12.

Houstonbrave-This is a different team with Theron on the court. His fouls early put us in too large a hole. We should learn a lot from this comeback. Gutsy comeback.
 
You mean the sky's not falling?! 'Cause all the doomsayers on the game chat make it sound like all our guys suck and the season's over
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Braves4Life said:
You mean the sky's not falling?! 'Cause all the doomsayers on the game chat make it sound like all our guys suck and the season's over
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The problem is the reality is not matching the expectations most people had prior to the season.

To be specific, a lot was expected out of Crouch and Salley. Crouch has done it at times, but has not given the consistency we need. As for Salley, for all the talk and buzz about him really bearing down and getting better because there was going to be competition for his minutes, he doesn't look one iota better than last year. If you buy into the "JuCo's need time to acclimate to D-1" argument, you absolutely need to have good production from Crouch and Salley ASAFP.
 
dogsrus said:
Group report from SP. BU with a gutty comeback. Will not blame this on refs as Vandy is good. Killer was Wilson with three questionable first half calls that had him sitting. We all saw his impact in the second half. This guy wants a rebound and he won't be denied. He is a smooooooth Boogie. Horrible intentional foul on Warren with BU coming back....the ref was ripped by everyone there. Dogs....

OB74 here.....I'll let DRU and the others do my commentary.....I have NO voice left (literally)!!

Dallas Brave here ... Vandy won the game, but BU did not walk out of the arena as losers. BU' second half effort was admired by everyone at the game, regardless of school affiliation. It reminded me of when the team two years ago discovered their internal fortitude. The Bradley fans that made the trip were great as well. We outcheered the Iowa fans last night and dominated the Vandy fans tonight.

#32 for Vandy was a ton, they made most of their MANY Fts, BU offense hit a dry spell in the 1st half. The defense was not good, but Vandy is good and extremely well coached. A win against a B10 team and a game that shows the team can comeback from way down against a good opponent, a good trip. The newbies are growing. Let's go to Loyola and get a win! b12.

Houstonbrave-This is a different team with Theron on the court. His fouls early put us in too large a hole. We should learn a lot from this comeback. Gutsy comeback.
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Glad you gave THAT Ref Hell!!!!!!!
He choked big time.
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The NCAA needs to investigate this ref team. Who the hell gives a coach a technical after the first few minutes of the game. Then that one in a million flagrant call at the end, that just wasn't right. Refs had our number from the beginning for some reason. Season certainly isn't over with, have plenty of time to make some noise, especially if the turnovers are trimmed down a little.

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My question for the guys at the Vandy game. How questionable was the intentional/flagrant call at the end. Snell said it was bad, but what exactly happened? Did we just grab the guy or what, as there was still plenty of time on the clock.
 
From what I saw, the Vandy guard started downcourt with an outlet pass, and would have had a breakaway layup, except Andrew hacked at him with his arm to stop the breakaway and stop the clock. There is no question he fouled him intentionally, but it was no different than thousands of similar fouls made by players on trailing teams to stop the clock late in games.
So technically, it was done intentionally, and the call could have been made. But you just never see that call by refs, because they know the team that's behind needs to do it, and the call is so punitive that in effect, it closes out any chance the losing team has to catch up.
 
jasonpeoria911 said:
The NCAA needs to investigate this ref team. Who the hell gives a coach a technical after the first few minutes of the game. Then that one in a million flagrant call at the end, that just wasn't right. Refs had our number from the beginning for some reason. Season certainly isn't over with, have plenty of time to make some noise, especially if the turnovers are trimmed down a little.

Jason
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Don't forget that another point of emphasis (like the carrying) is foul language from the bench. Ol' Jimmy might've gotten caught up in this one...
 
Da Coach was a few rows closer than I was but it sure did not look like we was tossing any foul language at the ref. He was there with his arms folded talking to him. He was making a point but I have seen him a lot more animated than that. I could not hear the conversation but I was shocked at the call.
 
Da Coach said:
From what I saw, the Vandy guard started downcourt with an outlet pass, and would have had a breakaway layup, except Andrew hacked at him with his arm to stop the breakaway and stop the clock. There is no question he fouled him intentionally, but it was no different than thousands of similar fouls made by players on trailing teams to stop the clock late in games.
So technically, it was done intentionally, and the call could have been made. But you just never see that call by refs, because they know the team that's behind needs to do it, and the call is so punitive that in effect, it closes out any chance the losing team has to catch up.
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As long as the foul wasnt flagrant, than the official should have called the normal foul. per my post on the game thread last Saturday, GOOD OFFICIALS do not make calls that flat out determine the game. They (officials) let the teams determine the outcome on the court.
 
Da Coach said:
So technically, it was done intentionally, and the call could have been made. But you just never see that call by refs, because they know the team that's behind needs to do it, and the call is so punitive that in effect, it closes out any chance the losing team has to catch up.
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Just got back from the SPI trip.....had a GREAT time!!!

I think the point to be made here is that the intentional foul call took the outcome of the game out of the player's hands, and that's what the BU fans at the game were upset about (including myself). The same ref that called the "T" on JL also made the intentional foul call.....and both were unnecessary calls in my book.

The one good thing about the sparse crowd at the game is you could easily make your feelings known to the refs.....and they had to hear every comment being made. :)
 
As I saw it regarding the T on Les.

The official who gave him the T also warned him numerous times in the Iowa game about being out of the "box". Prior to the Vandy game, this official was telling Merfeld during warmups about Les being out of the box. When he got the T, Les was outside the box at the baseline chewing on this same ref. The ref warned him to get back in the box, Les ignored it and he got T'd.
 
braves12 said:
As I saw it regarding the T on Les.

The official who gave him the T also warned him numerous times in the Iowa game about being out of the "box". Prior to the Vandy game, this official was telling Merfeld during warmups about Les being out of the box. When he got the T, Les was outside the box at the baseline chewing on this same ref. The ref warned him to get back in the box, Les ignored it and he got T'd.
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Thanks,braves 12 your observation makes good sense as to why the T. I'm not defending the refs as I wasn't there to see what happened,but what your saying would validate the whistle for the T and ease our mind that we were not getting hosed.Also to the observer who wants the kids to decide the game,please don't take this wrong but they did. The kid decided to foul intentionally and the rule book says it must be called and the book doesn't specify what time in the game it should be called. If no foul we wouldn't have had a whistle so the kid did decide the game.
 
Wily,

I use to officiate high school basketball years ago, so my opinion may be prejudiced. I think that from what I could see, the foul was intentional, but not anywhere near the level it seems to require to call an intentional foul these days. A very similar intentional foul ocurred earlier in the game by a Vandy player against BU. It was not called intentional. My feeling is that they both should have been called intentional or not intentional. I think most coaches, players and fans just want the game to be called consistently. Did this call cost BU the game? No, but it did affect the game but only slightly. The game has 40 minutes and many possesions. BU still could have won this game if they played better in the 1st half. And they still had chances to tie and take the lead late in the game but didn't. BU lost the game and the officials were not consistent...just my opinion. 1 more thing. I never like to see any officials work the same team 2 days in a row. Shouldn't happen in my opinion.
 
braves12 said:
Wily,

I use to officiate high school basketball years ago, so my opinion may be prejudiced. I think that from what I could see, the foul was intentional, but not anywhere near the level it seems to require to call an intentional foul these days. A very similar intentional foul ocurred earlier in the game by a Vandy player against BU. It was not called intentional. My feeling is that they both should have been called intentional or not intentional. I think most coaches, players and fans just want the game to be called consistently. Did this call cost BU the game? No, but it did affect the game but only slightly. The game has 40 minutes and many possesions. BU still could have won this game if they played better in the 1st half. And they still had chances to tie and take the lead late in the game but didn't. BU lost the game and the officials were not consistent...just my opinion. 1 more thing. I never like to see any officials work the same team 2 days in a row. Shouldn't happen in my opinion.
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Good point and improved spelling:).......That was my beef too. Earlier a very similar foul was NOT called intentional. IMO the ref has to remember that and call it the same later. THEY set the "standard" of what intentional is/was.

Its like vcalling fouls dow low. Are they going to call them tight or loose...either way you adjust to HOW the game is called and HOPE they remain consistent. Had he called an intentional earlier...OK.....but you can't have to glaring differences in how a call is made/enforced.

Again this ONE call just like Ruffins last play and a few other late misses DIDN'T cost us the game. Getting down 20+ early cost us this game...PERIOD.
 
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