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Give Me A Break

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Missouri Brave

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I am really sick and tired of all the complaining about President Glasser. Please give me a break.

She fired a coach who never finished better than fourth in the conference in NINE years. NINE! And NEVER contended for an MVC title. NEVER. Don't act like she blew something up that was firing on all cylinders, because it wasn't. Period. As much as I like and admire Jim Les, one look at the W-L record tells you that.

People can complain all day long that we are losing a great recruit in Remy Abell but, come on, who is to say that he would've been great at BU. Anthony Thompson was a top-100 recruit...how'd that work out under Coach Les & Co.?

One last thing: how about at least showing the lady some respect by calling her by the correct name? It's G-L-A-S-S-E-R. And I give her and Dr. Cross credit for making the right move, despite the likely consequences of losing Sam, Abell, etc. Best of luck to all of them but I ain't worried about losing them.

Go BU!
 
Notice the difference between how NC State handled the Lowe firing versus how Bradley handled the Les situation..... I think that's where people have the problem.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/14816758/nc-state-dismisses-lowe-after-five-seasons

As fans saw their preseason optimism fade into that all-too-familiar sinking feeling, there were entire sections of empty red seats in the upper end zones of the RBC Center. The vibe in the building dulled from excitement to resignation.

That led to an awkward decision on the future of one the school's most beloved sports figures, who was the starting point guard for the "Cardiac Pack" team that upset Houston on a last-play dunk to win the 1983 title under Jim Valvano.

"What I've heard [from fans] is they love Sidney and appreciate Sidney just like I do," Yow said, "but they'd like to win more -- considerably more. I can't fault that."
 
I can only speak for myself, but l have more of a problem with the process of the firing than the firing itself. Every administration has the right to fire coaches who either do not reflect the values of the university or do not get the results wanted by the university. A lot of coaches get fired, but the lack of respect shown in this firing process to a person who was an alumn and important part of Bradley history is extremely embarrassing to me as a Bradley alumn. Yes, I agree that there will be good recruits that will be gotten when the administration gets a new coach that relfects its new values, but in addition to not badmouthing the administration, why are we badmouthing players and recruits who do not think that the current Bradley actions is not what they signed up for and what to change universities? The new coach being hired can only tell the recruit how he wants to play basketball. not what integrity and values of the university are, that is mainly demonstrated by the actions of the administration.
 
People are entitled to be upset about what happened. Please let's not minimize that. I agree we need to remain respectful, and we will. But many people believe Jim did not deserve to be fired after a year when he lost 2 starters, and 2 preseason All-MVC players, and when we had our best recruiting class in many years.

What shaped up to be a very good year next year is now the start of a long rebuilding process, with no guarantee it will lead to anything as good as what we just threw away. Some fans saw that coming and others were jubilant for it and called it "scare tactics".
 
Da Coach said:
People are entitled to be upset about what happened. Please let's not minimize that. I agree we need to remain respectful, and we will. But many people believe Jim did not deserve to be fired after a year when he lost 2 starters, and 2 preseason All-MVC players, and when we had our best recruiting class in many years.

What shaped up to be a very good year next year is now the start of a long rebuilding process, with no guarantee it will lead to anything as good as what we just threw away. Some fans saw that coming and others were jubilant for it and called it "scare tactics".
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I kind of agree DC..there were 3 camps it seems....pro=JL,anti-JL(which I think were very very few on this board) and those that understand why the administration looked to make a change. On paper it looked good for next year but we've had that look alot....."best recruiting class"....we pretty much say that every year too.....


My problem is trusting JG to make the right choice....but I guess that's my problem:)
 
Oldguy said:
I can only speak for myself, but l have more of a problem with the process of the firing than the firing itself. Every administration has the right to fire coaches who either do not reflect the values of the university or do not get the results wanted by the university. A lot of coaches get fired, but the lack of respect shown in this firing process to a person who was an alumn and important part of Bradley history is extremely embarrassing to me as a Bradley alumn. Yes, I agree that there will be good recruits that will be gotten when the administration gets a new coach that relfects its new values, but in addition to not badmouthing the administration, why are we badmouthing players and recruits who do not think that the current Bradley actions is not what they signed up for and what to change universities? The new coach being hired can only tell the recruit how he wants to play basketball. not what integrity and values of the university are, that is mainly demonstrated by the actions of the administration.
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Well said. This is my opinion as well. This Administration has not earned my respect as a result of the firing process among other things. You are correct integrity and values are important and that is what needs vast improvement with the current Administration!:(
 
There are always going to be people upset when there is a dismissal, no question. It comes with the territory. But I agree the ripping of Glasser and Cross has really been a bit over the top. They're not immune to criticism, it also comes with the territory. But there's no good way to remove a coach, and I think it's a bit premature to be saying some of thing harsh things about them that some have said. There will be plenty of time to rip and criticize if they make a bad hire.
 
BradleyBrave said:
There are always going to be people upset when there is a dismissal, no question. It comes with the territory. But I agree the ripping of Glasser and Cross has really been a bit over the top. They're not immune to criticism, it also comes with the territory. But there's no good way to remove a coach, and I think it's a bit premature to be saying some of thing harsh things about them that some have said. There will be plenty of time to rip and criticize if they make a bad hire.
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I can understand the decision to fire JL... I thought that he should have been given one more year for a lot of good reasons as well. However, there are professional ways in which an Administration can handle a firing. This Administration failed miserably in that account!
 
Missouri Brave said:
I am really sick and tired of all the complaining about President Glasser. Please give me a break.

She fired a coach who never finished better than fourth in the conference in NINE years. NINE! And NEVER contended for an MVC title. NEVER. Don't act like she blew something up that was firing on all cylinders, because it wasn't. Period. As much as I like and admire Jim Les, one look at the W-L record tells you that.

People can complain all day long that we are losing a great recruit in Remy Abell but, come on, who is to say that he would've been great at BU. Anthony Thompson was a top-100 recruit...how'd that work out under Coach Les & Co.?

One last thing: how about at least showing the lady some respect by calling her by the correct name? It's G-L-A-S-S-E-R. And I give her and Dr. Cross credit for making the right move, despite the likely consequences of losing Sam, Abell, etc. Best of luck to all of them but I ain't worried about losing them.

Go BU!
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What insight do you have that make you think the uproar isn't just?

The problem I have is that these types of things have been happening for years under this administration, yet it only seems like people give a **** now because the head basketball coach was fired.
 
BradleyBrave said:
There are always going to be people upset when there is a dismissal, no question. It comes with the territory. But I agree the ripping of Glasser and Cross has really been a bit over the top. They're not immune to criticism, it also comes with the territory. But there's no good way to remove a coach, and I think it's a bit premature to be saying some of thing harsh things about them that some have said. There will be plenty of time to rip and criticize if they make a bad hire.
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Oh ya, PLENTY of time to rip if they make a bad hire...

But I guess that's expected when you can a guy as well liked as Jim was, as well as when you factor in what he was misssing last year with what he was bringing in/back from last year.

Then you throw in the lesser salary for new coach (likely at least considering JL buyout) and I'd say the odds are against the admin of looking good on this one.
 
VeveJones007 said:
What insight do you have that make you think the uproar isn't just?

The problem I have is that these types of things have been happening for years under this administration, yet it only seems like people give a **** now because the head basketball coach was fired.
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add in losing Sam, and possibly others to that.
 
The criticism of the firing is a two way street folks.

JL is a smart guy, and made some intelligent behind the scenes moves on his own part.

This was a chess match for sure.

The President and Dr. Cross are doing what they feel is best for BU. I happen to agree with them, which makes it easier for me to accept.

JL is doing whats best for JL and his family, which i also support.


In the end, its going to be about whom BU hires. If the hire is a good one, BU will be fine.

If its not we are doomed to the same level, or worse, than we had.
 
BradleyBrave said:
There are always going to be people upset when there is a dismissal, no question. It comes with the territory. But I agree the ripping of Glasser and Cross has really been a bit over the top. They're not immune to criticism, it also comes with the territory. But there's no good way to remove a coach, and I think it's a bit premature to be saying some of thing harsh things about them that some have said. There will be plenty of time to rip and criticize if they make a bad hire.
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Change is hard for some to deal with...
 
lefty said:
anti-JL(which I think were very very few on this board)
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There are very very few now. Thank goodness.

My problem with the dismissal was, if you are going to fire somebody for their body of work, in JL's case, do it after year 8. Or year 10 if he fails with a full roster. If he was good enough to be retained after year 8, then you really are firing him for year 9, which is unfair, in my opinion.
 
OrangeandBlack74 said:
Change is hard for some to deal with...
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O&B, if you really think anyone here is upset about what has happened in the last 2 weeks because "Change is hard for some to deal with", then that is about the shallowest analysis I can imagine. I suspect that is not what you intended to mean.

I think most fans, even the most ardent JL supporters, knew this was likely going to happen. So nobody is surprised. Nobody is having trouble dealing with this change just because "change is hard for some to deal with". There are the much deeper issues of how it was handled, how Jim Les and his contract were treated, how the players were informed, how the school dealt with the players' and their familes' concerns, how the school dealt with the concerns of the boosters and donors who's money helped build a lot of new facilities based on certain promises, how they are now dealing with the players who are unhappy and looking to leave, and the way they dealt with the recruits. There is a lot going on, much of it is behind the scenes and may never be made public, but it's not pretty.

It's not about being upset by change. It's about an intelligent approach to change, not change just for the sake of change, nor for the sake of forcing one person's version of change on everyone else.
 
Da Coach said:
People are entitled to be upset about what happened. Please let's not minimize that. I agree we need to remain respectful, and we will. But many people believe Jim did not deserve to be fired after a year when he lost 2 starters, and 2 preseason All-MVC players, and when we had our best recruiting class in many years.

What shaped up to be a very good year next year is now the start of a long rebuilding process, with no guarantee it will lead to anything as good as what we just threw away. Some fans saw that coming and others were jubilant for it and called it "scare tactics".
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Da Coach...I agree with you. I feel that even with the mediocre record, JL deserved one more year to show what he could do with a healthy team and a good recruiting class. He did pretty good in 2006 with a healthy team, didn't he (even with the POB and WF suspensions)? Also, how many years did he have to deal with injuries to key players? I also have a real problem with the way he was let go. They did it right in North Carolina State. Was JL given the opportunity to resign (why wouldn't we have the right to know if he was given that opportunity)? Why did he have to leave immediately with security guards accompanying him off the campus? Could he have been given at least a 3 day notice? As far as President Glasser and Dr. Cross getting our respect...are they immune from having to earn respect as the rest of us have to do. They are both new to Bradley. Do they have the same history as Jim Les? No! Do fans have the right to be upset when Dr. Cross is seen jogging with his Princeton appearl on? Yes! That doesn't sound like the behavior of a true Bradley fan to me? I think the whole firing process was handled poorly and in bad taste.
 
Give Me A Break...I am really sick and tired ...
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...wait a minute....
I am on this board about as much as anyone and I have seen very little criticism of Dr. G & Dr. C...mostly just fair discussion of the events that transpired...
PLUS there's been VERY little that's of a true personal nature or over the top -- and that's all been deleted anyway...

YET -- even tiny little moves that Coach Les would make in a game like calling a time out or picking up a technical were subject to
multiple entire threads of intense criticism and attacks -- a lot of which was fairly personal, demeaning, and over the top...
...so where were the same "sick and tired" people when our head coach was repeated reamed here and in the press....

I think it's a little hypocritical that we are being asked to use different standards ..... fair is fair....we are in the situaiton we are in because of actions people are unhappy with...

Wonder if anyone recalls the warning that was issued several times even on this board...
"be careful -- consider the costs of the moves you're about to make..."
 
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