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Guess who is put on probation and why?

amckillip said:
Then why cant the NCAA seem to do the same to programs like USC, etc?
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USC was put on probation, lost scholarships, and received a post-season ban. It's going to be awhile before USC can get back on top.

Only having 12 of 13 scholarships for 2 years is not a big deal at all. It's fairly common for teams to only have 12 scholarship players because of transfers, APR, etc. This is nothing.
 
I wonder if the people from the NCAA who arrived at this decision remember the controversies that happened at USF in the 1970's and early 80's. I am not saying this is right, but it may explain the harsh punishment to a degree.
 
bdhove12 said:
USC was put on probation, lost scholarships, and received a post-season ban. It's going to be awhile before USC can get back on top.

Only having 12 of 13 scholarships for 2 years is not a big deal at all. It's fairly common for teams to only have 12 scholarship players because of transfers, APR, etc. This is nothing.
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USC basketball got nothing. The football cheating overshadowed the OJ Mayo stuff(which DWARFS what San Fran is doing here).
 
amckillip said:
USC basketball got nothing. The football cheating overshadowed the OJ Mayo stuff(which DWARFS what San Fran is doing here).
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Not true. The NCAA found the basketball program's self-imposed punishent to be sufficient. USC basketball suspended itself from postseason play last season, reduced its scholarship limit from 13 to 12 for 2009-10 and 2010-11, forfeited 20 days of recruiting for the upcoming season and reduced its total number of coaches allowed to recruit from three to two.
 
bdhove12 said:
Not true. The NCAA found the basketball program's self-imposed punishent to be sufficient. USC basketball suspended itself from postseason play last season, reduced its scholarship limit from 13 to 12 for 2009-10 and 2010-11, forfeited 20 days of recruiting for the upcoming season and reduced its total number of coaches allowed to recruit from three to two.
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Sorry, I was speaking from a practicality perspective, not a literal. Effectively, they got the same thing as San Francisco here, and the violations were FAR worse.
 
amckillip said:
Sorry, I was speaking from a practicality perspective, not a literal. Effectively, they got the same thing as San Francisco here, and the violations were FAR worse.
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Yes, USC's violations were far worse, but so was their punishment.

Also, after re-reading the San Francisco, I realize that I was mistaken earlier and they only lost one scholarship and that was during 2008-2009. Now they have two years probation, which doesn't mean anything unless they screw up again.
 
bdhove12 said:
Yes, USC's violations were far worse, but so was their punishment.

Also, after re-reading the San Francisco, I realize that I was mistaken earlier and they only lost one scholarship and that was during 2008-2009. Now they have two years probation, which doesn't mean anything unless they screw up again.
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How was their punishment that much worse? They effectively lost one scholarship a year longer...
 
amckillip said:
How was their punishment that much worse? They effectively lost one scholarship a year longer...
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Well, they were also banned from postseason play for one year, lost 20 recruiting days, reduced number of coaches allowed to recruit, vacated all wins from the season Mayo played, forced to give back $206,200 in which the received for their 2008 tourney appearance, and will forfeit all future payments for that appearance which amounts to close to $1.5 million. Yeah, that is much worse.

Also, don't kid yourself. If Kentucky did what San Francisco I'm sure you would be going crazy that the NCAA let them the go with a slap on the wrist.
 
bdhove12 said:
Well, they were also banned from postseason play for one year, lost 20 recruiting days, reduced number of coaches allowed to recruit, vacated all wins from the season Mayo played, forced to give back $206,200 in which the received for their 2008 tourney appearance, and will forfeit all future payments for that appearance which amounts to close to $1.5 million. Yeah, that is much worse.

Also, don't kid yourself. If Kentucky did what San Francisco I'm sure you would be going crazy that the NCAA let them the go with a slap on the wrist.
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Ok, the post season ban is nothing, they weren't making the tourney either way. Figure in the increased ticket $$$ from having a good team with Mayo, and that easily covers the 200K. I'm not sure, where the 1.5M is coming from (I'm not saying it's right or wrong either way, I just don't understand what you mean). And no, if UK did that, there would be no punishment, and if they got the same punishment, I assure you I wouldn't be worried about them. I'm really not as biased against majors as you seem to think, only the ones that regularly break the rules (USC and UK included). You never see me ripping on Duke, MSU, the Illini, or like programs, just the ones who cheat to get ahead of the pack.
 
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