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ISU Player Suspended

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According to John Goodman CBS:

Illinois State coach Dan Muller has suspended senior guard Tyler Brown indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team.

I will be interested to see what develops out of this.
 
These things are never good. Does anyone know if players are given a yearly orientation on what is expected from them? These kids are given a great opportunity and it would be nice that they are reminded and can hear from someone who has blown theirs.
 
Article from the Bloomington Pantagraph-
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_44ff9cf2-5aac-11e2-bfa9-0019bb2963f4.html

However, when reached later Muller said there is “a chance” Brown could be playing Saturday when struggling ISU faces Drake at 7:05 p.m. at Redbird Arena.
“That is to be determined,” said Muller...
Muller said Brown will not practice today, but could possibly return on Friday.

That is strange. "Indefinite suspension for conduct detrimental to the team", yet he might miss 1 practice, return the next day, and play Saturday and not miss a single game.

That's not a suspension. That's a vacation. :roll:
 
I am not sure the stones/glass house comparison is logical. The only Bradley player who is being disciplined was suspended appropriately- already 3 games, and likely much more. ISU, as well as SIU, have had a history of going lightly on players with serious legal issues in the past.
 
DeltaBrave03 said:
Throwing stones in a glass house... He likely isn't facing felony charges for whatever caused the suspension.
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the stones are being fairly thrown at the meaningless "suspensions" that some coaches hand out...
thus no stone to throw at BU as the discipline is at least solid and consistent here...

-Brandon Sampay was "immediately and indefinitely suspended" by Jank for DUI and underage drinking and was filmed the next morning in practice then never missed a single game or exhibition...

-but SIU is infamous for all their guys and their violations then playing the very next day...
Ryan Hare spent the whole day once in court for his underage drinking charges, then headed to the arena and played key minutes in the game a few hours later...and never did face any discipline at all.
BTW- it's no coincidence that he proceeded to be a repeat violator and still is..
SIU is notiorious for light discipline...one of their players once had a marijuana arrest
and the player still was never disciplined until the whole thing was being discussed on the message boards months later, then got into the press..

..and I have no problem with these kids being given a 2nd, 3rd chance or whatever - but have an athletic code, follow it, and stick with at least SOME visible suspension
so the kid and others see that you're serious about discipline...



Nacho said:
That would be correct, considering there is no legal issue involved...
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well - marginally there is....Brown's bond from his battery case is still being held as he has yet to serve out his punishment - and won't be off supervision 'til end of June 2013..
if whatever he has done as his violation is seen by the judge as troubling - he could have his supervision revoked...
 
tornado said:
well - marginally there is....Brown's bond from his battery case is still being held as he has yet to serve out his punishment - and won't be off supervision 'til end of June 2013..
if whatever he has done as his violation is seen by the judge as troubling - he could have his supervision revoked...
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If it's not a legal issue, why would a judge have anything to do with it? And I agree whole-heartedly about Sampay/Jank suspension (lack there of). But he is gone now and not relevant to the conversation IMO.

An in-house suspension for non-legal issues is alot different then a suspension for legal issues. Muller has had one of each. Geoffery Allen is still suspended indefinitely, awaiting the court system to play out (I assume)- so I don't see how he could handle that any different/better. When no facts are out about a non-legal suspension, I am not sure how a coach can be criticized when no one knows what the "conduct" was.
 
I didn't realize Bradley has never suspended players for exhibition games, nor allowed a player's accused of a felony to practice within of being released from jail. I'm also glad our coaches dole out punishment without the president of the university feeling the need to step in and lay down a legitimate punishment.

I know I'll get labeled anti BU or whatever you choose, but it just gets old throwing stones while we have our own issues to deal with in peoria.
 
Nacho said:
If it's not a legal issue, why would a judge have anything to do with it? ...
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don't know if you're being intentionally naive or what, but it happens all the time..
first - nothing's been published to say it is not a legal issue...

but I will give you an example - a kid on the college roster who fails a drug test is NOT a legal issue...
perfect example was Ray Brown who never faced even the threat of charges but indeed failed a drug test.
BUT if you are on supervision and have a failed drug test - I guarantee some judges would see that as a serious issue and potentially revoke bond and deny further supervision


and Delta - once again - nobody is arguing that we (at BU) haven't had our problems - can't think of any places that haven't...sadly it is all too common..
..but unlike the Memphises and Kansases - we've never had major bar-brawl incidents, rapes, terribly violent issues, repeated girlfriend-bashing ...
BUT all cases at BU are disciplined properly - ALL...and many of the violators like Clancy, Ray Brown, even Battle virtually never played again or NEVER played for BU again.

Can you name one who did NOT get suspended from games and have to sit out numerous practices/
No - you cannot name one - yet I can name several more at other institutions who never missed a single game or practice...
I still contend Bradley has properly enforced their code and disciplined properly...and I will continue to "throw stones" when & where it does not happen


If and when the serious stuff does happen here - nobody will be quicker that I will to call for strict and certain discipline and not the wishy-washy non-existent discipline that leads some players to disregard any risk of missing games and just keep committing offenses......
 
tornado said:
don't know if you're being intentionally naive or what, but it happens all the time...

...but I will give you an example - a kid on the college roster who fails a drug test is NOT a legal issue...
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first of all... a failed drug test would be "A violation of team rules", not "conduct detrimental to the team".


tornado said:
first - nothing's been published to say it is not a legal issue...
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http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/co...cle_44ff9cf2-5aac-11e2-bfa9-0019bb2963f4.html

There is no legal issue involved, according to ISU??™s first-year coach.
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That is about as "published" as it gets... unless you are calling Muller or Benson a liar.
 
I would think the person best capable of deciding might be someone legal...but as I said - even issues that are not legal can affect one's supervision
 
I know most people want to make this a big deal, but it seems pretty much like a bad attitude that has escalated. We all realize Bradley is the only team that handles everything the way it should be handled.
 
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