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Kansas gets sited for lack of institutional control

Yes, even more trouble, and an excellent opportunity for the NCAA to send a strong message to the guys who are clearly cheating the most, and over and over again.
But of course they fail to do so again.

This article details how KU will appear before the infractions committee on Aug. 13. The NCAA reported nine violations, the most serious involving alleged academic fraud in football. The NCAA requested additional information on three violations involving men???‚¬?„?s basketball including booster Don Davis???‚¬?„? providing $5,000 worth of benefits to Darnell Jackson and $45.00 worth of benefits reportedly to ex-Jayhawk J.R. Giddens, as well as former KU coach Roy Williams???‚¬?„? OK???‚¬?„?ing of three boosters providing small gifts to graduated seniors.

Remember, they also had dozens of infractions reported a year ago.

HOWEVER--even though they are found guilty of numerous violations in several different sports, and really BIG DOLLAR ones in basketball (more than $10,000 paid to a recruit),
here is the total penalty they are being given:

--The University will provide additional rules education for all of the men's basketball coaches and student-athletes regarding gifts after eligibility has been exhausted.

--they will lose two womens basketball scholarships and have their recruiting visits limited

--they lose ONE football scholarships, and get this...
A letter of admonishment has been issued to head football coach Mark Mangino because of his overall responsibility for the program.

plus they will have a couple of self administered and self arranged "compliance reviews", etc.

If this doesn't make you laugh, then I hope you have a great day...
:lol: :lol: :lol:


http://www2.kusports.com/news/2006/apr/24/ku_signee_collins_shines_jordan_classic/?mens_basketball

http://kuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/042106aaa.html
 
When I read about these big schools like Kansas, Oklahoma, Ohio State getting off so easy and yet little schools getting nailed hard,
I laugh at the claim that the NCAA looks so carefully into all these cases.
Midmajors like Bradley, Wright State, St. Bonavanture, Chicago State get clobbered hard for their miniscule violations.
The only big schools I can recall who really got penalized were not the perennial top-25's, but they were wannabe's like Georgia & Minnesota who got caught redhanded with some of the worst cheating and lying. Still, they didn't get hit that bad.
 
I find it humorous and interesting that the overriding and defacto tone of almost all the discussion on the Kansas message board is that this is so minor, and so unimportant, that it is already a given that KU will suffer no consequence whatsoever.
 
This morning's revelations in the Kansas NCAA cheating scandal are even more damaging to their defense.

The Kansas City Star has done a big favor for all of college athletics by digging out a report from 2001 by the Kansas Athletic Dept.
In 2001, the Stanford Athletic Director, Ted Leland, was hired by one of the school's chancellors to do an investigation and assessment of the Kansas Athletic Dept.
This Kansas City Star article reports on that investigation and guess what.
It cited many of the very violations that the NCAA just reported on and warned that they needed to be addressed.
But the Kansas people are claiming they never knew the report even existed!!
So University of Kansas BIG WHIGS knew full well about their cheating as far back as 2001, and not only did they do nothing to correct it, they even continued to cheat and even accellerated the degree of cheating as time went on, and now claim they knew nothing about it way back in 2001.

Even if you are a die-hard Jayhawk fan, you will be embarrassed by this article, and you'd have to admit your athletics are crooked.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/colleges/university_of_kansas/14420455.htm
 
it already has been!
One of the worst penalties proposed by the NCAA is this...

"The University will provide additional rules education for all of the men's basketball coaches and student-athletes regarding gifts after eligibility has been exhausted."

WOW--isn't this what they should be doing even without being forced to by an NCAA penalty?
 
Braves4Life, there are a lot of other fine sites that are sometimes of interest to Bradley fans, and the Valleytalk sometimes has some discussion on topics that relate to Bradley or the other MVC teams.

But here is a part of our web site that gives you plenty of those such links, and the individual message boards for all the other MVC teams. I go to this page often to link to the other Valley-related sites. Other posters have told us they use this link page as a bookmark or a home page, so feel free to use it as you wish.

http://www.bradleyfans.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1048

One other Valley discussion board that started up a couple months ago was MVCTalk, but it is pretty pathetic, and there are simply no relevant posts there ever. In fact there is basically only one post in the last two weeks on MVCTalk.
 
Bravesguy said:
Did anyone hear Charles Barkley's comment about cheating in college basketball recruiting?
I suspect he is right on and knows far more than he will tell.
There is a discussion of it over on Valleytalk, so I will link to that.
http://valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=1236
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I have believed things like this all my life. It has been the argument I have posed to BCS, B10, Illini, and all teams fans my whole life. This stuff DOES go on! I am exhausted defending my logic. I merely wait/hope someone in my lifetime exposes it all. Maybe a Barkley. Maybe a B Knight. Maybe a B Huggins. Someone.
 
MacabreMob said:
Bravesguy said:
Did anyone hear Charles Barkley's comment about cheating in college basketball recruiting?
I suspect he is right on and knows far more than he will tell.
There is a discussion of it over on Valleytalk, so I will link to that.
http://valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=1236
Click to expand...

I have believed things like this all my life. It has been the argument I have posed to BCS, B10, Illini, and all teams fans my whole life. This stuff DOES go on! I am exhausted defending my logic. I merely wait/hope someone in my lifetime exposes it all. Maybe a Barkley. Maybe a B Knight. Maybe a B Huggins. Someone.
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Exposes what? You only have to look as far as the top of the hill to see evidence of this!
 
Exposes what? You only have to look as far as the top of the hill to see evidence of this!
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That's a pretty broad statement, bigdaddystuck.

What examples of "cheating in college basketball recruiting" can you cite from the hilltop?

If you are referring to the minor stuff from the early 80's that Bradley received a penalty for, that's pretty tiny and insignificant compared to what goes on at some schools. There have been some examples lately like those of Ohio State, Baylor, and many more that I could refer to. Clearly that big money cheating is what Charles Barkley was referring to, not the petty stuff Bradley was cited for 20+ years ago.
Have there been recruiting violations since?
 
bigdaddystuck said:
MacabreMob said:
Bravesguy said:
Did anyone hear Charles Barkley's comment about cheating in college basketball recruiting?
I suspect he is right on and knows far more than he will tell.
There is a discussion of it over on Valleytalk, so I will link to that.
http://valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=1236
Click to expand...

I have believed things like this all my life. It has been the argument I have posed to BCS, B10, Illini, and all teams fans my whole life. This stuff DOES go on! I am exhausted defending my logic. I merely wait/hope someone in my lifetime exposes it all. Maybe a Barkley. Maybe a B Knight. Maybe a B Huggins. Someone.
Click to expand...

Exposes what? You only have to look as far as the top of the hill to see evidence of this!
Click to expand...

Pshshshshshshshst!

<large exhale>

Exactly BDS. My argument always stemmed around this with BCS, B10, Illini, etc fans. They would point the finger and say, 'See, you little guys need to cheat to be good. We don't have to, we get all the great players just because we are who we are.'

I argued THEY ALL are doing it!

And so I will repeat... I merely wait/hope someone in my lifetime exposes it all. Maybe a Barkley. Maybe a B Knight. Maybe a B Huggins. Maybe A Tark. Someone.
 
MacabreMob said:
bigdaddystuck said:
MacabreMob said:
Bravesguy said:
Did anyone hear Charles Barkley's comment about cheating in college basketball recruiting?
I suspect he is right on and knows far more than he will tell.
There is a discussion of it over on Valleytalk, so I will link to that.
http://valleytalk.net/showthread.php?t=1236
Click to expand...

I have believed things like this all my life. It has been the argument I have posed to BCS, B10, Illini, and all teams fans my whole life. This stuff DOES go on! I am exhausted defending my logic. I merely wait/hope someone in my lifetime exposes it all. Maybe a Barkley. Maybe a B Knight. Maybe a B Huggins. Someone.
Click to expand...



Exposes what? You only have to look as far as the top of the hill to see evidence of this!
Click to expand...

Pshshshshshshshst!

<large exhale>

Exactly BDS. My argument always stemmed around this with BCS, B10, Illini, etc fans. They would point the finger and say, 'See, you little guys need to cheat to be good. We don't have to, we get all the great players just because we are who we are.'

I argued THEY ALL are doing it!

And so I will repeat... I merely wait/hope someone in my lifetime exposes it all. Maybe a Barkley. Maybe a B Knight. Maybe a B Huggins. Maybe A Tark. Someone.
Click to expand...

I agree it does go on all over the place. I think your common fan understands that. My problem is with the powers that be that seem to let the power conferences and teams get away with it and then come down hard on a little program for doing the same thing.
 
Da Coach said:
Exposes what? You only have to look as far as the top of the hill to see evidence of this!
Click to expand...

That's a pretty broad statement, bigdaddystuck.

What examples of "cheating in college basketball recruiting" can you cite from the hilltop?

If you are referring to the minor stuff from the early 80's that Bradley received a penalty for, that's pretty tiny and insignificant compared to what goes on at some schools. There have been some examples lately like those of Ohio State, Baylor, and many more that I could refer to. Clearly that big money cheating is what Charles Barkley was referring to, not the petty stuff Bradley was cited for 20+ years ago.
Have there been recruiting violations since?
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A ban from post season play is a tiny penalty? My point was that every school does bend the rules in recruiting, not just the big schools.
 
I never said the penalty Bradley got was tiny. I said the violations they were accused of were tiny in comparison to numerous other schools in the past couple decades.

For the record, Bradley's penalty of a ban on post season play in 1987 came more from the coach's refusal to cooperate and not from the minor recruiting violations. There have been numerous examples of worse violations (see Ohio State, and many others) that did not result in such post season bans.

But there were violations then and Bradley got caught. They paid a stiff penalty.

Has there been anything since then? I am not aware of any recruiting issues during the Albeck, Molinari, or Les years. The topic was about the things Charles Barkley has said. He has implied and stated in interviews that he knows of examples of large scale cheating that goes on in college recruiting. I believe that it does happen, but probably not very much at the midmajor level.
 
Getting back to the Kansas case....
Their big day before the NCAA Committee on Infractions is this coming Sunday.

Coverage by the Lawrence Journal-World says that the contingent from KU
will include their Chancellor, Robert Hemenway, their Athletic Director (Lew Perkins), their basketball head coach Bill Self, and their football head coach Mark Mangino, and a total of a
dozen officials (including attorneys) hoping to plead the case for the university that their infractions deserve light penalties.

Many of the infractions cited by the NCAA, including acadmic fraud, falsifying transcripts, etc., was supposedly committed by
graduate assistants who have since graduated and moved on.
All of the players who benefitted from the fraud and altered transcripts have also finished their eligibility.
But then, unless they are digging at BU, this is how the NCAA works.
They take so danged much time at places like Kansas, that the violations are ancient news and nobody seems to care.

I am certain the NCAA will stall even longer then finally announce NO NEW PENALTIES, or maybe just a little hand slap.
Any takers on this bet?
 
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