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MVC Player of the Year?

tornado

tornado

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I have no idea who is gonna win it, and unless Bradley can get into the top 3 in the league finish, I don't think Sam Maniscalco has a chance...

But here are just a few comparative statistics and these come from Valley numbers...
...............................scoring avg.....rebs.....asst.....3-ptFG%
Sam Maniscalco.................15.1..........3.1......3.7........35.0%
Osiris Eldridge....................14.9..........3.4......2.3........38.4%
Josh Young.......................14.8..........0.7......2.6........32.7%
Harry Marshall....................16.2.........3.9.......3.7.........29.0%
Andrew Warren..................14.7.........5.2........1.0........42.4%
Kenny Lawson....................13.0.........6.9....... 0.4.........0.0%
Adam Koch........................12.1.........4.7........1.7........35.0%
Kwadzo A..........................8.7...........2.4.......2.7.........27.3%
Eglseder............................12.4.........8.2........0.7........00.0% (0-3)
P'Allen Stinnett...................8.0...........3.0.......1.7........22.5%

I'd say Sam at least has a shot.......I have used conference stats since that equalizes the opponents instead of giving the advantage to the teams with the ridiculously soft non-conference opponents......
I think Sammy compares quite favorably and not one other Valley player stands out as substantially better, so I'm pulling for you Sam!
 
The POY won't be from a middle-of-the-pack team unless he's blowing away the rest of the league in scoring or something like that. Don't see it happening. We couldn't even get a sniff at POY when we went to Sweet 16.
 
I love the guy but get Warren off the list now. Those have to be the most mis-leading stats of all time.
 
I'd agree that Eglseder is the leader at this point - although Osiris still has good peripheral numbers - 91% FT, 1.8 SPG, etc.

I know DU won't make much noise with the postseason awards, but Templeton is having a great year.
 
I have updated the stats to include last night's performances, and added Adam Templeton...
Again, I contend that just the extra and intangibles such as being point guard, having a great assist to turnover ratio, being so tough and gritty, and hitting key shots still put Sam Maniscalco right there at the top of consideration for Valley Player of the Year..
Personally, I think last night sealed it for OE, he doesn't have a chance now, and Marshall is having good stats, but it'll depend on whether the player's team finishes in the top 3 or 4...as I doubt the award will go to anyone whose team is sub .500.


...............................scoring avg.....rebs.....asst.....3-ptFG%
Sam Maniscalco.................15.1..........3.1......3.7........35.0%
Osiris Eldridge....................14.2..........3.5......2.5........36.8%
Josh Young.......................14.8..........3.5......2.6........32.7%
Harry Marshall....................16.3.........3.9.......3.9.........28.7%
Andrew Warren..................14.7.........5.2........1.0........42.4%
Kenny Lawson....................12.2.........6.7....... 0.4.........0.0%
Adam Koch........................12.0.........4.5........1.7........35.0%
Kwadzo A..........................9.5...........2.5.......2.5.........28.1%
Eglseder............................12.6.........7.8........0.7........00.0% (0-3)
P'Allen Stinnett...................8.0...........3.0.......1.7........22.5%
Adam Templeton.................11.6..........8.1.......1.0........46.7%

BTW - last night Harry Marshall hit 1000 career points...so it shows how fine of an accomplishment it was for Sam to do it even earlier in his junior year than Marshall has done it in his senior season.


Reminder...here were the preseason picks from media day last October..
Preseason Player of the Year - Osiris Eldridge
1st Team All Valley - Kwadzo, Osiris, Tony Freeman, Adam Koch, P'Allen Stinnett, Josh Young
Honorable Mention - Dillard, Hannah, Kelly, Maniscalco, Marshall, Murry
--at least half those twelve are likely already out of the running as Kelly and Stinnett aren't even playing, and a few others are having drop-offs from what was expected...

NOTE - guards dominate the list of past MVC POY's....
Here are the last 25 years POY's--
1986 Jim Les, Bradley
1987 Hersey Hawkins, Bradley
1988 Hersey Hawkins, Bradley
1989 Anthony Manuel, Bradley
1990 Bob Harstad, Creighton
1991 Chad Gallagher, Creighton
1992 Ashraf Amaya, S. Illinois
1993 Curt Smith, Drake
1994 Gary Collier, Tulsa
1995 Chris Carr, S. Illinois
1996 Anthony Parker, Bradley
1997 Jason Daisy, UNI
1998 Rico Hill, Illinois State
1999 Marcus Wilson, Evansville
2000 Nate Green, Indiana State
2001 Tarise Bryson, Illinois St.
2002 Kyle Korver, Creighton
2003 Kyle Korver, Creighton
2004 Darren Brooks, S. Illinois
2005 Darren Brooks, S. Illinois
2006 Paul Miller, Wichita State
2007 Jamaal Tatum, S. Illinois
2008 Adam Emmenecker, Drake
2009 Booker Woodfox, CU
 
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It's going to be the best player off either the top team, or most surpising team. If INSU makes a good run to close the season and finishes 3rd or 4th, Marshall might be the guy.

I'll maintain that SM has no chance... but I'd love to see it happen!
 
Hannah and Murry are fine players but the POY award is an individual award...
and Murry currently ranks 12th in the league in scoring overall, 11th in rebounding, 7th in assists...
In conference games, Murry's scoring is 20th and his rebounding isn't in the top 20

Hannah is 15th in scoring, 2nd in assists, and 49th in rebounding and also tails off a bit in some conference-only stats...

Sam Maniscalco is inside the Top 10 in SEVEN different stat categories!..and virtually ALL his stats
are stronger in his conference games than overall!!
No other player on my list is in the Top 10 in as many categories, and some of the players that are named as favorites are surprisingly low in the stat totals..

For example..
Kwadzo isn't in the Top 10 in a single stat category..
Koch is Top 10 in only TWO stat categories (7th in FG%, 9th in FT%)

...so you know what I am saying...just lobbyng a little for the guy I think clearly is the frontrunner right now
...the very best player in the league!!
 
Last two winners- Woodfox and Emmenecker had one thing in common- Top team in the league...

Woodofx was best 3 pt shooter in nation hit 88.8% FT and was second leading scorer in league

Emmenecker had a breakout season- although hardly gaudy. He led leage in assists- better than 6 a game- but nearly doubled all of his career stats his senior year...
 
tornado said:
Hannah and Murry are fine players but the POY award is an individual award...
and Murry currently ranks 12th in the league in scoring overall, 11th in rebounding, 7th in assists...
In conference games, Murry's scoring is 20th and his rebounding isn't in the top 20

Hannah is 15th in scoring, 2nd in assists, and 49th in rebounding and also tails off a bit in some conference-only stats...

Sam Maniscalco is inside the Top 10 in SEVEN different stat categories!..and virtually ALL his stats
are stronger in his conference games than overall!!
No other player on my list is in the Top 10 in as many categories, and some of the players that are named as favorites are surprisingly low in the stat totals..

For example..
Kwadzo isn't in the Top 10 in a single stat category..
Koch is Top 10 in only TWO stat categories (7th in FG%, 9th in FT%)

...so you know what I am saying...just lobbyng a little for the guy I think clearly is the frontrunner right now
...the very best player in the league!!
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The way Sammy has played in league games he should be the front runner hands down. I just hope we can finish high enough to put him in position to get the POY award.
 
Braveman said:
Last two winners- Woodfox and Emmenecker had one thing in common- Top team in the league...

Woodofx was best 3 pt shooter in nation hit 88.8% FT and was second leading scorer in league

Emmenecker had a breakout season- although hardly gaudy. He led leage in assists- better than 6 a game- but nearly doubled all of his career stats his senior year...
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The thing about Emmenecker is he made that Drake team who it was. He might not have had the huge gaudy stats but night in night out his play was a difference maker on the top team in the league.

UNI will house this seasons player of the year. There is no clear cut player elsewhere who is a difference maker in total wins for his team in this conference.

If BU were say 10-4 and fighting for a top seed in this conference then SM should get strong consideration. Fact of the matter is Bradley is 6-6 and his play though very good in conference, has not been enough to make Bradley worth any consideration for anything this season. You dont give Player of the Year awards to teams that are average and its best player good not great or even the best in the conference.
 
Egsleder hands down would get it today because they are in 1st place and would not be without him , his presence makes everyone else better on their team.
 
real fan said:
Egsleder hands down would get it today because they are in 1st place and would not be without him , his presence makes everyone else better on their team.
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I thought it was time to revive this old thread about possible POY candidates. I think Eglseder will lose some support because his numbers have slipped a bit, and now he's serving the suspension.
It's possible the POY will come from UNI since they ran away with the MVC this season. But I am not so sure.

Kwadzo Ahelegbe is only averaging 2.7 assists per game (13th in the MVC- behind even several reserves), and he leads the MVC in turnovers by a wide margin with 3.2 turnovers per game. Also, his scoring average is only 11.1 ppg, which is not even in the top 20 players in the league, and is lower than he scored last year. His shooting percentage is also down from last season. Combined with the fact ISU has been around .500 for the year, and I think the support for Eldridge will not be too strong.

Adam Koch is UNI's leading scorer at 12.6 ppg, about the same as last year, but that is only 11th in the MVC. His shooting percentage and rebounding average are both lower than they were each of the last 2 seasons.

Osiris Eldridge, the preseason POY pick, will get some votes, but he is also having a slightly disappointing season. His scoring average is actually lower than it was his sophomore season and is fallling fast, his shooting percentages are down, his rebounding average is lower than it was all 3 of his previous seasons, and his turnover average is higher than it's been in his 3 previous years.

Other players having good seasons and who could get some consideration include Josh Young, Andrew Warren, Sam Maniscalco, Taylor Brown, Harry Marshall, Kyle Weems, Kenny Lawson, Toure' Murry, Clevin Hannah, Dinma Odiakosa, Tony Freeman, and Kevin Dillard. But because they play for teams with little or no chance to win the MVC, their chances may be lower.

Who will be the POY?
 
here's the list of guys who got preseason mention, both All-MVC and Hon. Mention...

Preseason Player of the Year -- Osiris Eldridge, Illinois State

2009-10 MVC Preseason All-Conference Team
Name, School, Pos., Ht., Wt., Year, Hometown, High School
Kwadzo Ahelegbe, UNI, G, 6-2, 200, Jr., Oakdale (Minn.) Tartan High
Osiris Eldridge, Illinois State, G, 6-3, 215, Sr., Chicago (Ill.) Phillips Academy
Tony Freeman, Southern Illinois, G, 6-1, 195, Sr., Maywood (Ill.) St. Joseph's / Iowa transfer
Adam Koch, UNI, F, 6-8, 255, Sr., Ashawubenon (Wis.) High
P'Allen Stinnett, Creighton, G, 6-3, 180, Jr., Las Vegas (Nev.) Brewster Academy [N.H.]
Josh Young, Drake, G, 6-1, 174, Sr., Lawton (Okla.) Lawton Christian High

HM: Kevin Dillard, Southern Illinois; Clevin Hannah, Wichita State; Jake Kelly, Indiana State; Sam Maniscalco, Bradley; Harry Marshall, Indiana State; Toure' Murry, Wichita State


Of the 12 players mentioned in the preseason....(and Eglseder was NOT one of them)
--3 are out for probably the rest of the season which hurts their chances (Kelly, Marshall, Stinnett)
--and several are having off years or their teams are doing badly--

Dillard - his team is 6-9 and one spot out of last place, his individual numbers are still pretty good, though.

Kwadzo - is with the 1st place team so he'll get consideration, but individually he's only averaging 11 ppg, and 2.7 apg - not real impressive.

Osiris - overall scoring numbers are still good, but everything's off from last year and basically he gets points just by jacking plenty.
He is hurting his team with selfishness, and I suspect the people who vote on the awards notice that.

Tony Freeman - one dimensional - and I doubt the 2nd best player on a 9th place team will get a single vote.

Adam Koch - he might get votes on reputation, but if anyone looks at the numbers, the case gets weaker...individually, as hard as this is to believe,
he's not top-10 in any scoring, rebounding, or defensive category in Valley play!

Josh Young - still has strong numbers, but like Osiris, he's way off from expectations (plus his team is 6-9 tied for 9th) and gets his points
by launching lots of shots and isn't really helping his team.

Hannah - is better than expected and should be 1st team

Toure Murry - again...decent numbers, but not really top 10 in much at all...

Then we come to Sammy - who was given only Honorable Mention status in the preseason, but Sam is Top 10 in practically every Valley category that numbers are being kept!!!
I think he is the clear favorite as the MOST valuable player in the league and is the best candidate for Player of the Year

Then a couple other players who were left off the preseason accolades have clearly played well enough to get 1st team mention (or 2nd/3rd)...

Andrew Warren, Taylor Brown (only player in the TOP 6-8 in scoring AND rebounding AND FT%), Dinma Odiakosa, and just maybe Kyle Weems or Kenny Lawson....
 
tornado said:
I think he is the clear favorite as the MOST valuable player in the league and is the best candidate for Player of the Year
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I'm highly biased, but I have to agree. SM has had a great MVC year, but I'm like others have said, I don't see a middle of the pack team's player getting this award.
 
Clearly SM has had a very good MVC season. But voters do and are going to look at how his team is doing and I just don't think he will win it. I am not saying he isn't worthy, just don't see it going to a guy from a 4-6th place team.
 
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