POB's Problem

[Missouri Brave]

It's pretty simple isn't it? The kid hasn't worked hard enough to justify getting on the court, either in Boston or Golden State. I am sure he is a good guy but the words that have been thrown around about him for a while are basketball synonyms for "lazy". He has consistently been out of his shape in his short career and I personally haven't read any evidence that his mindset has changed as it needs to in order for him to get on the court.

He needs to pull his head out of the sand and bust his butt, not to depend upon getting by just because he is 7 feet tall and is blessed with good athletic ability. There isn't a coach alive who wouldn't like to play a 7-footer who can block shots and has nice touch around the basket.

If Patrick had the on court and practice work ethic of Hersey Hawkins or Anthony Parker (or Danny Granger, for that matter), we would not be having this conversation because he would be getting big minutes.

 

[BradleyBrave]

This isn't a rip on Pat, but I am not sure his 'passion' has ever been basketball. He's a very intelligent kid who has a lot of interests outside the game of basketball. Sure, he's got all the tools in the world, but the truly great ones have a passion and desire that drives them. If Pat doesn't have that, I don't think it's a knock. He's taking his God-given gifts and making a fine living. If he doesn't make an NBA All-Star Game or even a starting lineup, I still think he can sleep at night. I'd love him to be a great pro, but it doesn't really bother me if he isn't. He was, and always will be, a great Brave.

 

[Braves4Life]

If he doesn't make an NBA All-Star Game or even a starting lineup, I still think he can sleep at night. I'd love him to be a great pro, but it doesn't really bother me if he isn't. He was, and always will be, a great Brave.

Well said BB! Let's stop ripping the kid and just support what he is -- a great kid, a pretty good b-ball player, and Bradley Alum that brings NOTHING but credit and respect to the university. POB is a class act!

 

[Braves4Life]

It's pretty simple isn't it? The kid hasn't worked hard enough to justify getting on the court, either in Boston or Golden State. I am sure he is a good guy but the words that have been thrown around about him for a while are basketball synonyms for "lazy". He has consistently been out of his shape in his short career and I personally haven't read any evidence that his mindset has changed as it needs to in order for him to get on the court.

He needs to pull his head out of the sand and bust his butt, not to depend upon getting by just because he is 7 feet tall and is blessed with good athletic ability. There isn't a coach alive who wouldn't like to play a 7-footer who can block shots and has nice touch around the basket.

If Patrick had the on court and practice work ethic of Hersey Hawkins or Anthony Parker (or Danny Granger, for that matter), we would not be having this conversation because he would be getting big minutes.

Have you even seen POB practice? Play?

Did you ever see Hawk, AP, or Granger practice or play?

This is more a case of Hawk, AP, and Granger being great athletes and ballplayers than it is about POB as a "lazy" practice player. POB is what he is -- an 7-footer with average to above average basketball skills. It's the 7-foot part that keeps him in the NBA... His b-ball skills never were, and never will be, in the same class as Hawk or AP (or the traitor, for that matter).

 

[Beninator]

Again well said BB... I still think that the Celtics are looking at POB as a project so he still has some time to turn things around. Being a 7 footer
withs some mobility will do that for a person in the NBA.

 

[ph]

POB does not seem to have the outward demeanor to ever look like he is working hard. His play is, at times, quite exciting, but his face never looks it.
I wonder if he physically cannot recover as well as the average NBA'er. IS it possible he is always trying, but cannot physically play more than 5 high-level days in a month?
Then, he occasionally shows all-star type flashes of brilliance, adn the bar gets set too high, and everyone is against him when he does not play at an all-star level.
There's going to be a ton of postings here, this year against DC for the same season. Heemskirk would get praised for actually posting the numbers that DC did vs Lewis, but it will never seems enough to the DC haters, because DC adds near NBA type athleticism..

 

[Out of Bounce]

Well said BB! Let's stop ripping the kid and just support what he is -- a great kid, a pretty good b-ball player, and Bradley Alum that brings NOTHING but credit and respect to the university. POB is a class act!

I agreed with both you and BB. Remember the guy only played two years in college. Most people would kill to be seating where he is and being paid what he is. I would never call anyone lazy, if I have not first hand knowledge of that being true or the case. Being 7' does not make you a NBA Starr and mean that basketball is all you care or live for. Millions of people go to jobs each day that they are very well suited for but don't excel to the highest level of the job, for what ever reasons. So leave it as it is, PB is doing just fine and is a lot better off money wise than most of us will ever be and he is only 22 years old.

 

[Chico]

ph, I don't remember reading on any post that people were against POB or hated DC. They are just giving their opinions. Out of Bounce, I was wondering how any posts it would take before how rich POB is would come up. IMO, he isn't going to mature as an NBA player by going on and off the roster of an NBA team. He could have matured more by playing 2 more years at BU.

 

[ph]

For instance. the first post of the "Disgusted" theread:

We had no inside game to speak of. I am unsure if this is how our offense is drawn up, but I heard JL yelling for DC to post up, and DC looked lost and parked himself at the three point line. We have some height, we just need to find a way to utilize it.

There were many such posts unhappy with DC's overall "production."

 

[Chico]

Haven't seen the h word yet. Disappointed? Yes. Granted, there are posters on this board who act like experts when it comes to basketball and like to evaluate the team.

 

[SFP]

Haven't seen the h word yet. Disappointed? Yes. Granted, there are posters on this board who act like experts when it comes to basketball and like to evaluate the team.

OK I'm lost the "h" word? I never heard of it. Is it Happy?

 

[Chico]

SFP, maybe you should read post #6 on this thred. I am happy though that the season is upon us.

 

[georgethedog]

OK, where is Da Coach and Amckillp on this issue? I got smashed by both of them last week when I said virtually the same thing as Missouri Brave. Amckillip even got very personal. Nice post Missouri Brave. I agree. Good luck when you get attacked... but if you defend yourself the thread will probably be removed like it was when I tried to defend myself.

 

[amckillip]

OK, where is Da Coach and Amckillp on this issue? I got smashed by both of them last week when I said virtually the same thing as Missouri Brave. Amckillip even got very personal. Nice post Missouri Brave. I agree. Good luck when you get attacked... but if you defend yourself the thread will probably be removed like it was when I tried to defend myself.

I only got personal when you took a shot at DC for his opinion. Missouri hasn't attacked anyone or likened them to any sort of unsavory character, so he's ok in my book.

 

[georgethedog]

I only got personal when you took a shot at DC for his opinion. Missouri hasn't attacked anyone or likened them to any sort of unsavory character, so he's ok in my book.

Amckillip, why didn't you get personal when DC took a shot at me for my opinion? (Don't even argue DC did not take a shot at me because it was all over the tone of his response). I know the answer to that question... DC is the "man" on this board and I'm just another poster (that's one reason Rodney Dangerfield is my avatar). That's a fine way to treat people for you and probably the best way to run your life because in today's world sucking up to people in power will take you a long way; while treating those not in power poorly really doesn't matter. You should go far in the corporate world.

 

[Out of Bounce]

ph, I don't remember reading on any post that people were against POB or hated DC. They are just giving their opinions. Out of Bounce, I was wondering how any posts it would take before how rich POB is would come up. IMO, he isn't going to mature as an NBA player by going on and off the roster of an NBA team. He could have matured more by playing 2 more years at BU.

Not sure how to take your comment to me Chico. Please explain!

 

[Da Coach]

OK, where is Da Coach and Amckillp on this issue? I got smashed by both of them last week when I said virtually the same thing as Missouri Brave. Amckillip even got very personal. Nice post Missouri Brave. I agree. Good luck when you get attacked... but if you defend yourself the thread will probably be removed like it was when I tried to defend myself.

I didn't realize I had to reiterate my opinion every time the subject of POB comes up. But, here it is again--

I know Patrick, and he is a great guy. He is not lazy. His personality is rather passive. That personality type doesn't translate well in the super-aggressive world of pro athletics. It can change, but not easily or quickly. These days, pro teams seem not to want to invest time and work into developing players. They want a kid to produce immediately, or they send them to the D-League or let them go to free agency. I believe POB will be a very good player somewhere, for a long time, and he'll make a lot of money.
I could give innumerable other examples of athletes who never reached their potential, or took a long time to do so because of similar issues. Anthony Parker, and even Hersey Hawkins were like this to an extent, early in their careers.
It's real easy for us experts to sit on our couches a rip a kid because he doesn't perform at the level of Shaquille O'Neal or Kobe Bryant, but it is by far the more common occurence, not the exception. There are hundreds of other 1st round players who had shorter careers than POB. I want to see him succeed, and I hope the Celts stick with him and give him the chance.
Recall that in their first 3 preseason games, I believe he was their leading rebounder, shot-blocker, and leading percentage shooter. So it's not as if he has never showed any evidence that he is capable of contributing.

If people want to have different opinions of him, I am fine with that. I really don't see why some want to keep re-starting new threads to say the same things over and over again.

And, by the way, I will again say that you are not correct in saying I attacked you. I did not. My post in the thread you are referring to was not directed at you other than to refute your use of a specific slang term that I thought was an extreme exaggeration.

 

[amckillip]

Amckillip, why didn't you get personal when DC took a shot at me for my opinion? (Don't even argue DC did not take a shot at me because it was all over the tone of his response). I know the answer to that question... DC is the "man" on this board and I'm just another poster (that's one reason Rodney Dangerfield is my avatar). That's a fine way to treat people for you and probably the best way to run your life because in today's world sucking up to people in power will take you a long way; while treating those not in power poorly really doesn't matter. You should go far in the corporate world.

Haha, ok, GTD. Have your opinion, I suck up to succeed. Since you don't know me, have never met me, or anything like that that's a pretty fair statement. And DC's tone may have been negative, but you directly attack people... As evidenced by the post here. By the way, ask around campus about me and what I'm involved in and such, you might find your very wrong...

 

[georgethedog]

Haha, ok, GTD. Have your opinion, I suck up to succeed. Since you don't know me, have never met me, or anything like that that's a pretty fair statement. And DC's tone may have been negative, but you directly attack people... As evidenced by the post here. By the way, ask around campus about me and what I'm involved in and such, you might find your very wrong...

You made some pretty harsh statments about me while defending DC and you did not feel it was wrong even though you do not know me. You accussed me of something like being unfair to student's opinions in the classroom or some such garbage. I guess it is ok for you to make statements about people you do not know. You have much maturing to do. OK for you to make accusations about people you do not know. Nice double-standard. Another fine quality that will get you far, really it will as I witness it all the time. I am now ending this useless conversation. I have papers to grade...

 

[amckillip]

You made some pretty harsh statments about me while defending DC and you did not feel it was wrong even though you do not know me. You accussed me of something like being unfair to student's opinions in the classroom or some such garbage. I guess it is ok for you to make statements about people you do not know. You have much maturing to do. OK for you to make accusations about people you do not know. Nice double-standard. Another fine quality that will get you far, really it will as I witness it all the time. I am now ending this useless conversation. I have papers to grade...

Ok GTD, you're right, You hadn't started attacking people when those comments were made, I didn't want you to take it so personal, but I stand by the fact what I said was because of things you were saying about other posters, who happened to be DC, it could have been any one of the other poster's and I would have said the same thing. I'd be willing to venture you wouldn't have said those things about most posters too... BTW, to say I don't know anything about a profesor at BU while a student, probably isn't entirely correct.

As far as the POB situation goes, I do not think Patrick is lazy or does not work-hard, does anyone really think he was consistently great in college? He showed flashes in the tournament, and that got him drafted, if he doesn't make it in the pros, why is it that he's lazy.