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The worst BCS conference in years!

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Scroll about halfway down the page to see one of the most pathetic BCS conferences in years, maybe literally decades! The Pac Ten is absolutely deplorable this year with not one, ONE win against an NCAA caliber team this year! If this conference gets more than two teams in the tournament this year, there should be a HUGE outcry amongst college basketball fans across the country.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation
 
Let's just take this one by one.

Washington St (7-2) - Their only road win is Alaska-Anchorage. They scheduled way down, so their two losses (@Gonzaga and @Kansas St) are reasonable, but none of their wins have any true value. Winning the Pac-10 would leave them with a gaudy record and a probable bid, but would you trust that happening?

Washington (6-2) - No quality wins here either. Both losses are reasonable though (@TTU, N-Georgetown). They at least have Portland and Texas A&M coming up at home to try to give some credibility to them.

Arizona St (7-3) - They lost their 3 toughest games. @Duke and @BYU are reasonable losses. Home to Baylor? Mehhh. At least they beat LSU on a neutral. One chance against SDSU coming up.

California (6-3) - Again, loses all their big games (N-Syracuse, Ohio St, @New Mexico). At least they decided to play a true road game at Pacific and won that. By the way, 4 teams into this, a road win at Pacific is the best win for the league. They have a true road game at Kansas soon, so we'll see.

Stanford (4-3) - Ok, they beat Virginia at a netural. And took Kentucky to overtime. Then again, lost to Oral Bob and to San Diego on the road. But they have the signature win of the conference so far.

Oregon (4-4) - Lost to Montana at home. Colorado St is their signature win. Next. At least 2 of their losses (@Missouri and St Mary's) are explainable.

Oregon St (4-4) - Did beat Colorado, and a true road win at George Washington. Then again, lost to TAMU-CC and Sacramento St

Arizona (4-5) - At least they're scheduling up. All 5 losses aren't bad (N-Wisconsin, @SDSU, N-Vanderbilt, UNLV, @Oklahoma). That leaves Colorado as the signature win. Oy vey

UCLA (2-6) - Not going to bother with this one. At least credit them for scheduling up, though.



The league's best win is a neutral site win over LSU, a neutral site win over Virginia, and maybe the Pacific win on the road. Going through all 10 schedules, there are approximately 30 games in which if the Pac-10 team won the game, that game would qualify as the conference's signature win. I've never seen a scenario where the top 30 games of a conference's non-conference schedule were all losses, every single last one of them. This is truly historic.

This is no better than the #11 conference right now. Put the A-10 WAAAAAAY above them. MWC above them. MVC above them. Probably the WCC too. Hech, throw CUSA in there.
 
Could not agree more. Cal and Washington should be dancing and that's about it! Pac 10 though is not out there making excuses. Everyone out here knew it was going to be a down year before the season began.
 
SFP said:
Could not agree more. Cal and Washington should be dancing and that's about it! Pac 10 though is not out there making excuses. Everyone out here knew it was going to be a down year before the season began.
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You're implying that this is a multi-bid league. It isn't.

Watch the RPI numbers of those 2 teams sink like a rock in conference play. No one may survive with a top 50 RPI. A power conference where no team is top 50 RPI. This is actually in play.
 
TAS, you forgot USC. They're 4-4, with their best win against UC Riverside (a team that not only will not be a tournament team this year, I don't think they've ever been in the tourney).

I was at the Wooden Classic today and saw both Washington and UCLA in person. Washington was not impressive (definitely did not look like a top 20 team), and UCLA (as much as it pains me to say given they are my other alma mater and #2 team) is just painful to watch. They were completely outclassed by MSU.

I completely agree that the PAC-10 could be a 1-2 bid conference, and in fact said just that to one of my friends during the game today.
 
Bravesfan said:
Scroll about halfway down the page to see one of the most pathetic BCS conferences in years, maybe literally decades! ..
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note that Ken Pomeroy still has the Pac 10 ranked as 6th strongest, ahead of every non-BCS conference, while even agreeing that only ONE Pac 10 team has even played a top-50 SOS thus far - and six of them have played SOS' worse than 140.
http://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=P10

The RPI system has the P-10 at #9 - (but the past couple days where Valley teams have won a lot of games is not yet included).
 
The Pac-10 WILL have 2 or more teams this year (I don't know who)..... They always do. BCS bias will all but assure that this conference gets as many or more bids than the MVC.
 
tornado said:
note that Ken Pomeroy still has the Pac 10 ranked as 6th strongest, ahead of every non-BCS conference, while even agreeing that only ONE Pac 10 team has even played a top-50 SOS thus far - and six of them have played SOS' worse than 140.
http://kenpom.com/conf.php?c=P10

The RPI system has the P-10 at #9 - (but the past couple days where Valley teams have won a lot of games is not yet included).
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How is it possible that Pomeroy has the Pac 10 ranked in the top 10, let along top 6?! What data does he use to warrant that? Maybe SOS, but if you lose them all what good is that?
 
wow, here's an oddity....

there are only THREE Valley teams who have BOTH an RPI better than 100 and a Strength of Schedule (SOS) better than 100.

Most would probably guess it's maybe ISU, MSU, and Wichita State, right??

But, nope...wrong completely on all three...
None of those three teams has both an RPI under 100 or a SOS better than 100...
and two of them (ISU, WSU) have neither an RPI under 100 nor a SOS better than 100.

the three teams who do are...
..........................RPI...........SOS
Northern Iowa.....30.............81
Indiana State.......75.............60
Bradley................97.............90


sadly for the strength of the Valley - THREE teams who lay claim to being contenders have
a SOS worse than 325!!! (that's in the bottom 20 D-I programs, the lowest 5% or so...WSU-329, SIU-342, ISU-343)
 
Braves4Life said:
The Pac-10 WILL have 2 or more teams this year (I don't know who)..... They always do. BCS bias will all but assure that this conference gets as many or more bids than the MVC.
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No they won't. Maybe or probably 2, but not 3.

Remember how awful the SEC was last year, and Slive was the committee chair? They still only got 3, which is what they deserved. The committee isn't afriad to punish marginal power conferences and schools if they deserve it.

The problem is that the best conferences get overrepresented more than anything. The terrible conferences get punished appropriately.
 
TheAsianSensation said:
No they won't. Maybe or probably 2, but not 3.

Remember how awful the SEC was last year, and Slive was the committee chair? They still only got 3, which is what they deserved. The committee isn't afriad to punish marginal power conferences and schools if they deserve it.

The problem is that the best conferences get overrepresented more than anything. The terrible conferences get punished appropriately.
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Well then there is some hope for the "little guys" if the Pac 10 only gets one or two teams in. But you are right in that they will probably take 12 teams from the Big East to offset the Pac 10! :D
 
I've watched WSU play a few times and overall I'm not impressed with their overall skill but with their determination and hustle. They are all over the court but if we come to play with intensity to match theirs, we should win going away. CU unless they get really hot from the 3 will be playing in the 4-5 game.
 
TheAsianSensation said:
We're still a little too early to use RPIs and SoSs with confidence.
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why?
the non-conference part of the season is nearly done...and this is the only part that does much to separate the conferences in RPI..

for example, how does a team go 7-0 and still have an RPI of 140?
Because of a horribly bad schedule that ranks about 340+, and that's confident enough to take to the bank.
 
tornado said:
why?
the non-conference part of the season is nearly done...and this is the only part that does much to separate the conferences in RPI..

for example, how does a team go 7-0 and still have an RPI of 140?
Because of a horribly bad schedule that ranks about 340+, and that's confident enough to take to the bank.
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The one difference is there's one more major shift to come: conference play starts. Especially if you schedule good teams from low major teams (say, a SWAC or MEAC favorite), they'll pile up a bunch of conference wins and improve their overall records, and your SoS by comparison.

I'd say I'm about 75% comfortable with the current RPIs and SoSs. :lol:
 
This is really shocking, any particular reason the league as a whole is down this season? The Pac 10 as a whole has decent weather yr round, nice campuses and usually good teams. Can't see why enough good recruits wouldn't want to go play out west.

Jason
 
jasonpeoria911 said:
This is really shocking, any particular reason the league as a whole is down this season? The Pac 10 as a whole has decent weather yr round, nice campuses and usually good teams. Can't see why enough good recruits wouldn't want to go play out west.

Jason
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Good question. Here a few things but I'm sure there is more. There has been a bit of coaching transition of late USC, Arizona, Stanford all usually good programs. UCLA???? they are young but supposedly good recruits. Then there are just the up and down of any conference and it just seems all the things that could go wrong have gone wrong.
 
Honestly? I just don't think the Pac-10 is as good in general as the othr 5 BCS conferences. I follow it pretty closely now that I live out here in AZ. (also known as sports fan purgatory... NO ONE here knows sports) I have season tix to AZ football, and a Pac-10 package for BBall, so I see a lot of Pac-10. And the Pac-10 just isn't that good in the major sports. I think they get close to swept this year in bowls, and don't expect much of anything from them in the NCAA. The MVC a couple of years ago was easily better than the Pac-10 is now. I long for those days... ;)
 
Amp you are wrong! Pac 10 is pretty good football conference:

Oregon
OSU
Stanford
USC

Would all arguably have won the Big X this year. USC came in 4th and beat OSU in Columbus!

Baseball they are usually a top flight conference.


The fans out west are not into college sports as much but the nice weather and out door activities may have something to do with it.
 
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