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    Just for the sake of discussion...In the BU-Evansville game yesterday..
    I am not at all unhappy, especially with the outcome...but as I watched early on I had to wonder why oh why were the refs calling every tiny bit of even the most ticky tack contact in the lane a FOUL??

    every player who played within 1 foot of the paint (Egolf, Singh, Taylor Brown) had at least 2 fouls yesterday within the first 10 minutes of the game!
    Even our 3rd string center, Anthony Thompson, had two well before the half...
    In the end, our guys made great adjustments and played effectively anyway, and never was foul trouble a really serious issue....
    but still, I wanted to check on the refs we had and just see where they rank as far as fouls called in MVC games....

    Mike Litzelfelner - 40.2 fouls per game overall, and 40.3 fouls per MVC game, #1 (tied) among all refs who have called MVC games..
    (oddly he has also called OVC games and averages only 34.5 fouls per game called in those games...so obviously in the games he refs for the Valley there's a huge increase and discrepancy in how fouls are called compared to the games he refs elsewhere.)

    Gene Grimshaw - 42.9 fouls per game, and this stat would place him BY FAR #1 in fouls called per game in the entirety of Division I!!!! - if he were in the rankings (but the rankings for fouls per game only rank the refs who have called more than 35 games - the leader is at 41.6 fpg)


    Dave Warfel - 39.5 fouls per game so far this year, this is only the 2nd game he has officiated this season....so he is an unknown thus far in this season, but historically he is among the tops in fouls called...
    He is almost exclusively an MVC ref, with 117 of the 118 games he's reffed in the past 14 seasons being MVC conference games.
    (I guess this kinda blows the he!! out of the asinine argument that there really isn't such a thing as a "Valley ref"!!)
    40.2 in 2008-2009 (4th highest among all refs who did Valley games)
    40.6 in 2007-2008 (3rd highest among all refs who did Valley games)
    40.7 in 2006-2007 (Absolute tops, #1, among all refs who did Valley games)

    and he even had one season at 43.3 one of the highest of all time in D-I!

    so there is reason to believe we had three of the most prolific foul callers all at the same time in yesterday's game, yet overcame a few weak early fouls on our big guys and played well anyway!

  • #2
    Not a top notch crew but I at least felt like we were not getting homered which is what scared me the most about this game because I was afraid going into it that the refs may feel sorry for a team with 0 conf. wins, I thought they did a good job and were consistent.

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    • #3
      Please for our sake on the 20th don't get MVC refs...I want a good game not one where half my team fouls out

      But seriously refs that call touch fouls will make your team that much better. We are very physical and foul enough as it is, plus we don't make in game adjustments to anything. Overall especially in our conference this year, it seems that the officiating is getting worse and worse overall. It is opposite of what you are saying is happening for you guys. Our officials are just pocketing their whistles, when it shouldn't then coming out of the blue and calling touch fouls. There is just no consistency it seems.

      I am still under the impression that the poor overall officiating is because we don't play in major conferences that we all get the shaft. Just something I have noticed this season compared to last.

      /rant

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      • #4
        The officiating in the MVC remains atrocious. I have seen better officiating crews at High School and Jr High games. For the last two home games, I have taken friends from out of the area with me. The consistent comment that I got during the game from both friends was the horrendous officiating. I told both friends that this officiating is typical for a MVC game. It remains a disgrace that the MVC does nothing apparent in terms of quality control for their referees!
        Bradley 72 - Illini 68 Final

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        • #5
          I saw about the last 10 min. of the SIU and UNI game, and man were those refs calling everything. I think there were at least 5 or 6 fouls called on a defender for blocking as the post man was trying to back him down to the basket. It was really hard to watch even a close game like that.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by DeltaBrave03 View Post
            I saw about the last 10 min. of the SIU and UNI game, and man were those refs calling everything. I think there were at least 5 or 6 fouls called on a defender for blocking as the post man was trying to back him down to the basket. It was really hard to watch even a close game like that.
            The last call on Fay was a joke. They did not even do a replay because it was such an atrocious call. Fay got hooked and then called for the foul...I'm not even close to even liking SIU and I can say UNI got most of the calls.
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            • #7
              Agreed on all levels. I watched the BU/EU game and then some of each of the ISU/DU, WSU/ISU and the SIU/NIU and all had many questionable calls. It also seems that Sled Dog must have a target on his back for ticky-tack fouls. The one foul he received, where he was tied up and hooked around mid-court yesterday was comical.

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