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RedSeaElite1 said:
As a current student and fraternity member, I'm glad I am graduating in May and of age. Underage college kids are going to continue to drink it is just going to be in a less safe atmosphere now. I did not drink before coming to college and when i started drinking as a freshman in a fraternity I had brothers there to show me the ropes and to handle things if someone drank too much. Now you are going to have groups of freshman drinking in their dorms and instead of going out where there is some semblance of order and brothers to watch them, they are going to over consume in their rooms and create more problems for the university.

Btw the new policy they are looking to implement is a BYOB for all fraternity parties. Which means you will be IDed at the door of a frat house and must bring your own 12 pack of beer or 8 malt beverages. you will then have to take your booze behind the bar and be issued a wristband and drink card so you can come back up to get your beers one at a time. Fraternities will no longer be able to supply alcohol at their events. The university is also looking into supplying all 14 fraternities will swipe card systems to make sure no one is using a fake id.
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Yes and no. I agree with you that the new rules are just going to push students to apartment or house parties, farther away from the safety of being on campus and will probably lead to an increase in fake IDs and sneaking into bars. There??™s always safety in numbers, but it??™s not like the frats are constantly promoting responsible behavior.

If you??™re a senior now, you??™re too young to remember Bobby Schmalz, but you??™ve probably heard of him. He died my freshman year and that was what led to the end of the calling out party. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...70063_1_binge-drinking-alcohol-robert-schmalz

He was a senior and certainly not new to drinking, but he was also surrounded by his brothers who were supposed to be taking care of him.

FWIW, I wasn??™t part of the Greek system, but I did go through rush to see the houses and Bobby was my groups rho chi. He seemed like a cool guy. One frat (I forget which) cancelled all their parties for the semester in honor of him (I believe he and that frat??™s president had been very good friends), but then threw a party at midnight on the day the party ban ended, so that tarnished the image a bit IMO.
 
But people's heads rolled, many fired, and all new alcohol policies were drawn up - yet now we see that obviously very little has changed.....
...this may be the inevitable end result of a very permissive attitude that has been in place for a long time on college campuses - just let 'em have fun...
It's not easy to just blame one or two factors, tho, even parents who send their kids off to colleges that have permissive rules - can do something about it...I know I am if I'm going to be paying enormous college tuition for half a dozen kids...

BTW - There have been at least two other drinking related deaths more recently than the one you cited...

http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/16433591.html
http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/10649711.html
 
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abesimpson said:
If you??™re a senior now, you??™re too young to remember Bobby Schmalz, but you??™ve probably heard of him. He died my freshman year and that was what led to the end of the calling out party. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...70063_1_binge-drinking-alcohol-robert-schmalz

He was a senior and certainly not new to drinking, but he was also surrounded by his brothers who were supposed to be taking care of him.
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Ironic that the above incident involved the Phi Kappa Tau fraternity.

I don't know if it is relevant, and maybe this is part of what lead to these changes, but one of the saddest incidents in recent years also happened at the Phi Kappa Tau house this year-
http://peoriachronicle.com/2012/12/02/bradley-student-commits-suicide/

Somehow, this incident escaped the Peoria Journal Star, and also was never mentioned on any of the 3 Peoria TV stations' news. But it was a widely known fact nonetheless.
 
I do not have kids so I have very little knowledge of teenagers today except what I hear from friends and my brothers. I know when I was growing up I learned to drink around adults. We had a bit of wine at dinner and could drink at parties that were attended by adults. This was HS before I attended BU. By the time I got to BU I knew how to handle alcohol. It was not a novelty. I can remember just once when I drank too much and that was on my 21st birthday. My brothers are also allowing their kids to drink in front of them. In short they are able to see if their kids may have an issue or not and be able to talk to them about it freely. Hiding drinking is not a solution. It is part of our society and culture so education in all manners is essential to a healthy mental attitude.

In short is that it was drilled into my head before college that getting out of hand from drinking is for morons and who wants to be a moron?
 
I totally agree SFP. My parents were not big drinkers, but they kept bottles of wine and distilled spirits in their kitchen cabinets for when they had guests and card parties. None of us kids would ever think of drinking because we were taught that it was just for responsible adults, and we respected what our parents taught us. I know it sounds corny by today's standards, but I think that is the problem. Maybe it's an old-fashioned concept, and maybe it's because kids are influenced by so many more powerful messages than just from parents, but kids today seem not to have such defined boundaries taught them, and they don't seem to have the same respect for authority.
 
That is the general perception, da coach - I have heard a ton of older people say..
"I sure wouldn't want to raise my kids nowadays"...but how does that explanation help or satisfy those who do have youngsters today?...
I kinda agree a return to some of the rules, morality, and common sense of the 50's thru 70's wouldn't hurt....but the government and media are now the hurdles...they have cultivated the atmosphere we have now
 
Da Coach said:
I totally agree SFP. My parents were not big drinkers, but they kept bottles of wine and distilled spirits in their kitchen cabinets for when they had guests and card parties. None of us kids would ever think of drinking because we were taught that it was just for responsible adults, and we respected what our parents taught us. I know it sounds corny by today's standards, but I think that is the problem. Maybe it's an old-fashioned concept, and maybe it's because kids are influenced by so many more powerful messages than just from parents, but kids today seem not to have such defined boundaries taught them, and they don't seem to have the same respect for authority.
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18 was the drinking age when you grew up and it was changing to 21 while I was at BU and now they are cranking down on drinking even more. Are kids becoming less mature now in our country? T may have some of this right but I'm not sure how you turn time back. I knew growing up that if I pulled any bonehead moves I'd have to answer to my dad. Today I'm sure the social service would have been called in. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, its just they could instill certain values into us with a stick. :-o

I'm also sure I was lucky to have two god fearing parents who were great role models and very educated.
 
Ironically kids are wanting to be adults sooner and sooner during a time when people are living longer and longer, giving them plenty of time to enjoy the fruits of adulthood...

Much like NFL football and head injuries, College campuses are ripe for lawsuits coming out of accidents/deaths where alcohol is present/involved with underage students or visitors on campus.

I would suspect the liability is quite high for a University for direct damages, not to mention, the reputation hit a college takes when accidents/deaths occur and alcohol/drugs are present. Not only for prospective students but from current/potential donors and groups that fund research. Who you associate with does impact you in the real world after college.

Indeed, with our current legal system, EVERYONE pays for the actions of the stupid few... so the 'why punish law breakers who don't cause trouble with alcohol/drugs because of a stupid few who do' is a moot point.

If I was BU, I'd take my chances on losing prospective students that absolutely have to enjoy underage drinking when pursuing an education/degree, and, go after prospective students who truly want an education sans booze... The everyone is doing it argument doesn't hold water as not every student drinks, and I'd say there are 5-6000+ kids in the US who would go for an education who don't give a hoot on booze.

I would prefer schools go after strategies that promote social interaction/entertainment that don't rely on booze. I have yet to see a research project that suggests alcohol for people between 18 and 21 improves a person socially, mentally, physically or furthers their ability to absorb and retain knowledge.

At some point in time, the purpose of college/universities has become more about socializing and less about learning....

If students want to show their maturity and ability to handle booze at 18 yrs of age, show some political muscle and make it happen. Drinking age was 18 once and could be again if the majority of Americans vote for it. I would think voters from 18-25 or 30 could dominate the rest of the electorate at the polls if they think this is in their best interest.

Is this approach harder than just breaking the current law? Sure.
Nothing worse however than lazy lawbreakers.

The current attitudes of "Laws are for everyone else but me" or "I'll pick and choose which laws I choose to obey" are some of the drags on today's society and eventually the path to anarchy (total individualism).


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abesimpson said:
Yes and no. I agree with you that the new rules are just going to push students to apartment or house parties, farther away from the safety of being on campus and will probably lead to an increase in fake IDs and sneaking into bars. There??™s always safety in numbers, but it??™s not like the frats are constantly promoting responsible behavior.

If you??™re a senior now, you??™re too young to remember Bobby Schmalz, but you??™ve probably heard of him. He died my freshman year and that was what led to the end of the calling out party. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...70063_1_binge-drinking-alcohol-robert-schmalz

He was a senior and certainly not new to drinking, but he was also surrounded by his brothers who were supposed to be taking care of him.

FWIW, I wasn??™t part of the Greek system, but I did go through rush to see the houses and Bobby was my groups rho chi. He seemed like a cool guy. One frat (I forget which) cancelled all their parties for the semester in honor of him (I believe he and that frat??™s president had been very good friends), but then threw a party at midnight on the day the party ban ended, so that tarnished the image a bit IMO.
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Calling out was before my time also, but from my understanding it was an event that promoted excessive drinking from sun up to sun down. What happened to that kid was a tragedy and it is probably for the best that Calling Out was ended.
Drinking is always a risk, especially at parties at fraternity houses, that is one of the reasons fraternity houses are so expensive to insure. However RedSeaElite is correct IMO, the moratorium is just going to lead to more behind closed doors drinking. It will also lead to more fake IDs to get into the bars and unfortunately more drunk driving. It may not seem like it, but drinking at a fraternity house party is safer because each house has enough members who are responsible enough to cut people off. I'm not saying every member is, but enough that they can monitor it and most of the time they do a great job of that. Most people will never see that though, they will only see the bad things that occur at fraternity parties because they make up about 1/3 of the campus but probably host 90% of the parties.
Now I'm not exactly sure what occurred to bring this moratorium, I'm a little removed from my days on IFC, but I can honestly say that I hope they figure this out soon because I believe it is now more dangerous than it was before.
 
Braves4Life said:
Here's a thought for everyone... :roll:

Maybe instead of using this BRADLEY BASKETBALL FAN TALK section as your own personal sniping and trashing ground of BU's President and Administration you have the guts to visit her face-to-face and air your grievances (no, this is not a Festivus moment). I hear President Glasser holds open office hours monthly for the students -- http://www.bradley.edu/offices/president/hours/ . It seems to me this would be a much more effective way to complain. And, for the grown-ups in the room please, with all due respect, butt out... Mind your own business! Or, again, have the guts to put your thoughts in writing and send her a signed letter. I'm quite sure we alumni have no idea of why this is all coming to a head right now. Unless you've actually got a child attending Bradley this is none of your business!

There, I'm done. You won't hear from me again on this topic! I ain't got no dog in this fight.
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Wow. I am not sure if this is directed at me or not :doubt: but I did start this thread. If you are talking to me about which Bradleyfan forum to post this in then I will admit I did think twice about which one to put it in. But a quick glance shows that several other topics have been posted here that are not Bradley related so I felt it was fine. If I chose the wrong Bradleyfans forum.....sorry about that.

However, you mentioned other things that are way off base concerning me. Maybe your still wound up about past changes and all the back and forth stuff on the boards. I get that part. I have grown tired seeing the jabs and insults go back and forth. But nowhere in my posts do you see me mention Glasser or the administration. Nor do I imply anything like that. I wanted my main point to be that this kind of stuff doesn't work with kids. Students in college between the ages of 18-22 just adapt. Always have.

It does not matter if I am a student or not. Does not matter if I have kids there or not. It is everyones business because its in the PJStar and on TV. Because of that I can express my thoughts if I want to. You need to stop telling posters what to do if you don't like something. I thought that was Coachdudes job. :lol::lol: I don't need to meet with Glasser to express my thoughts or write a signed letter anymore than you need to meet with Geno if you have concerns with who plays, who he should recruit, the schedule, or his win loss record. :roll: Mind your own business?

I post very little and don't read all threads but when I do post I guarantee you one thing.... If I ever "snipe at or trash" someone I will be using their name. You will have no doubt who I am talking about.
 
Future Walk-On said:
I have been sitting here trying figure out how to drag JL into this thread....hmmm
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Well JL was in a fraternity, third one down on the south side of Fredonia...so he must have participated in binge drinking and therefore was an irresponsible young adult. That probably parlayed itself into wreckless habits that would manifest 20 years later in his inability to lead his team to an NCAA championship settling only for a Sweet 16 finish. I bet he regrets binge drinking as a fraternity member.

Aren't sweeping generalizations awesome?!?
 
be careful -- although athletic code violations are not always openly discussed by official news releases...
there's been a history of our local media - up 'til now - making a HUGE deal out of even minor issues...
Anyone recall how many reports and hostile columns calling BU irresponsible and cheaters, or alleging they are incompetent for not knowing about the Star Trucking Company pay records used to appear?
And maybe it's better enforcement or whatever - we've had more athletic code suspensions this season than pretty much the entire previous decade combined...and yet hardly a word mentioning most of them in the media - go figure...
 
I was at BU during the JL and HH years and I can say I never saw either one acting in any behavior that was remotely detrimental to the team or school or themselves. I could not say that was true about some of the other team members.
 
BUBalum05 said:
Well JL was in a fraternity, third one down on the south side of Fredonia...so he must have participated in binge drinking and therefore was an irresponsible young adult. That probably parlayed itself into wreckless habits that would manifest 20 years later in his inability to lead his team to an NCAA championship settling only for a Sweet 16 finish. I bet he regrets binge drinking as a fraternity member.

Aren't sweeping generalizations awesome?!?
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haha the DU's were one of the few frats that really went to games when I was at BU...

the lambda chi's did too I believe
 
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