wily coyote
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What are the time lines for Sat. night. I heard there was a Volley ball game also what time is that. Thanks for any help can't find anything in PJS imagine that.
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Red White Sat.
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houstonbrave
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I find this on the Bradley website:
https://bradleybraves.com/news/2022/9/29/mens-basketball-red-white-showcase-set-for-october-15.aspx
https://bradleybraves.com/news/2022/9/29/mens-basketball-red-white-showcase-set-for-october-15.aspx
basketball nut
Active member
It says that Silver Braves Club members get in free but how do you prove that you are member when they haven't sent out the new cards yet
Nashville Cat
Member
Disappointing. Looks like "secret" scrimmages are replacing old fashioned intrasquad games. Fans loose.
Yup. The team is doing a game-simulation type scrimmage that morning, with referees, so the coaches do not want another real scrimmage Saturday night. Plus, many coaches, and I suspect Wardle is one, do not want to put their offensive and defensive schemes on display for upcoming opponents to see (and opponents do scout these kinds of events). And then there is the always present concern about the possibility of injuries.
Nashville Cat
Member
Agreed, and with this reasoning it's just a matter of time before exhibition games are scrutinized.
a brief history of the pre-season Red-White scrimmage...
- as far back as I can remember, when the preseason Red-White was held, it was at the Fieldhouse and often in conjunction with $1 hot dogs or even, once, $1 plates of spaghetti served in the old Fieldhouse lobby. Attendance was always at least 2,500 but often as much as 4,000 (this was as much as half the Valley teams drew to regular season games and was not part of the season ticket package - they were just loyal fans anxious to see the new team!)
Often there was quite a spectacle and show put on - who remembers the head coach dancing to "Soulja Boy" or JJ Tauai wowing the crowd as a freshman with his passing and ballhandling?
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and almost always the fans could also pick up their season tickets/parking passes/and other stuff they were looking forward to.
https://bradleybraves.com/news/2007/10/27/1290075.aspx
https://www.bradleyfans.com/forum/sp...tes#post404777
- then a different gang of people took over and started making changes. First was to end the Itoo supper and raise the price for entry to the Red-White to $20! As expected, attendance tanked. Seriously - who would come with their 2 or 3 kids if it was gonna cost in the neighborhood of $60-75? Not to mention, when the women's team scrimmaged, they played against a "scout team" of a bunch of guys. They also canned the "dunk contests" that were usually part of the experience.
- then for some inexplicable reason, they moved the Red-White down and held it in a parking lot at the foot of Main Street and didn't even bother to play a game, just did a bunch of street ball stuff. Again, almost nobody came. The PJ Star guys hyped it and claimed many hundreds of people were there, but everyone who actually was there said maybe more like 100-200 counting all the players (men's & women's) and staff.
- the new gang moved it back to the campus arena and restored the Itoo supper but the damage was done - may long time fans just didn't show.... and the format always had the women scrimmaging first and the men's scrimmage starting so late that people with kids had to be heading home before it started.
- Then they had a closed Red-White with zero in attendance and you could only watch on streaming.- https://www.bradleyfans.com/forum/sp...ame-sat-nov-14
- now there's no scrimmage game at all, just theatrics.
The Braves have 5 new players and 6 more who have only played one season at BU, so fans want to see the team and they want to see them play. Attendance will be low.
In contrast, many programs look to their open preseason scrimmage as a hallmark event that excites the entire fanbase, maybe hosts some recruits and impresses them.
I know we're not Kentucky or Syracuse, but they draw 20,000 to their Blue-White. (Big Blue Madness) or "Orange Tipoff" - https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-w...ess-takeaways/ -- https://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske...-jma-dome.html
- as far back as I can remember, when the preseason Red-White was held, it was at the Fieldhouse and often in conjunction with $1 hot dogs or even, once, $1 plates of spaghetti served in the old Fieldhouse lobby. Attendance was always at least 2,500 but often as much as 4,000 (this was as much as half the Valley teams drew to regular season games and was not part of the season ticket package - they were just loyal fans anxious to see the new team!)
Often there was quite a spectacle and show put on - who remembers the head coach dancing to "Soulja Boy" or JJ Tauai wowing the crowd as a freshman with his passing and ballhandling?
..
and almost always the fans could also pick up their season tickets/parking passes/and other stuff they were looking forward to.
https://bradleybraves.com/news/2007/10/27/1290075.aspx
https://www.bradleyfans.com/forum/sp...tes#post404777
- then a different gang of people took over and started making changes. First was to end the Itoo supper and raise the price for entry to the Red-White to $20! As expected, attendance tanked. Seriously - who would come with their 2 or 3 kids if it was gonna cost in the neighborhood of $60-75? Not to mention, when the women's team scrimmaged, they played against a "scout team" of a bunch of guys. They also canned the "dunk contests" that were usually part of the experience.
- then for some inexplicable reason, they moved the Red-White down and held it in a parking lot at the foot of Main Street and didn't even bother to play a game, just did a bunch of street ball stuff. Again, almost nobody came. The PJ Star guys hyped it and claimed many hundreds of people were there, but everyone who actually was there said maybe more like 100-200 counting all the players (men's & women's) and staff.
- the new gang moved it back to the campus arena and restored the Itoo supper but the damage was done - may long time fans just didn't show.... and the format always had the women scrimmaging first and the men's scrimmage starting so late that people with kids had to be heading home before it started.
- Then they had a closed Red-White with zero in attendance and you could only watch on streaming.- https://www.bradleyfans.com/forum/sp...ame-sat-nov-14
- now there's no scrimmage game at all, just theatrics.
The Braves have 5 new players and 6 more who have only played one season at BU, so fans want to see the team and they want to see them play. Attendance will be low.
In contrast, many programs look to their open preseason scrimmage as a hallmark event that excites the entire fanbase, maybe hosts some recruits and impresses them.
I know we're not Kentucky or Syracuse, but they draw 20,000 to their Blue-White. (Big Blue Madness) or "Orange Tipoff" - https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-w...ess-takeaways/ -- https://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske...-jma-dome.html
Nashville Cat
Member
Very good synopsis! Between mishandled pre-season activities and media apathy around BU Basketball there seems to be very little buzz around what I feel will be a 23-24 win team. But...if we can draw well during the regular season all's well I guess.
Big Mike
Active member
Your "spot on" Yoda with your assessment.....times have changed....the days of just having an event and the people will come are over....period. :wink: Last year they didn't even open up the concessions.....took me longer to park and get out of the parking deck than the event lasted...:roll:
wily coyote
Active member
Don't know what they had tonight but if they had what was on here it's the reason we stayed home. I wanted to see a scrimmage not a 3 pt.and dunk contest.I can remember when 10-15 was opening night to practice and it would be at midnight. Boy has times changed. My grandson is in the marching band and basketball band at Michigan State. They had a midnight practice the other night with the band even playing and he said it was nearly packed and so loud his ears hurt. Wish we could do that here. I'm old but I'd still go to a midnight inter squad game if they'd have one.
basketball nut
Active member
I was disappointed tonight but then the VB game was tremendous. 2 evenly balanced teams with BU winning 3-0 but every match was 2 or 3 points.
My wife did enjoy tonight as she coushesee what practice would normally look like.
2 people with 2 perspectives.
My wife did enjoy tonight as she coushesee what practice would normally look like.
2 people with 2 perspectives.
Also, they used to always have a story up on the official web site BradleyBraves.com about the Red-White and some commentary and stats.
https://bradleybraves.com/news/2017/...scrimmage.aspx
https://bradleybraves.com/news/2020/...scrimmage.aspx
But this year - nothing? They ought to at least try to keep the fans who were unable to attend informed.
Also, no word at all on pickup of Season Tickets. The last mention anywhere about Season Tickets was a release back on Aug. 2, more than two months ago.
I also see that single game tickets are on sale via Ticketmaster and half the lower bowl seats are available. Even quality seats
in sections 101, 102 and seats as close as 3rd row off the court. At least half the lower bowl avail, meaning season ticket sales must now be below 3000. Just a decade or so ago they were 7,500 and no lower bowl seats were available anywhere on side court.
JG & MC are the cause of 80% of the loss, but the current Athletic Dept. has to own the rest, they are treating fans like they don't care.
https://bradleybraves.com/news/2017/...scrimmage.aspx
https://bradleybraves.com/news/2020/...scrimmage.aspx
But this year - nothing? They ought to at least try to keep the fans who were unable to attend informed.
Also, no word at all on pickup of Season Tickets. The last mention anywhere about Season Tickets was a release back on Aug. 2, more than two months ago.
I also see that single game tickets are on sale via Ticketmaster and half the lower bowl seats are available. Even quality seats
in sections 101, 102 and seats as close as 3rd row off the court. At least half the lower bowl avail, meaning season ticket sales must now be below 3000. Just a decade or so ago they were 7,500 and no lower bowl seats were available anywhere on side court.
JG & MC are the cause of 80% of the loss, but the current Athletic Dept. has to own the rest, they are treating fans like they don't care.
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Nashville Cat
Member
At some point we have to stop trotting out the JG / MC excuse. Administrative things on the periphery of Bradley basketball is sloppy and marketing is lacking. Period.
PhiAlphaBoy
New member
Bradley staffing, marketing, season ticket promotion and distribution has been inept the past several years. I'm embarrassed by how bush league we seem to be becoming in this regard. Please Bradley, start acting like a successful D1 program.
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Nashville Cat
Member
Well said. Maybe Dr. Chris will see this.