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Missouri Valley Conference Standings - 2/13/08 with tiebreakers

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BUBraves2006

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Wow, what a crazy night in the Valley! All sorts of things are changing in the standings. BU could have a chance at a total stangehold on 4th in the Valley ... instead we're battling to stay out of 7th. LOTS of basketball left to play and I'd be stunned if a bunch of things aren't determined until the final weekend...
 

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BUBraves2006 said:
Wow, what a crazy night in the Valley! All sorts of things are changing in the standings. BU could have a chance at a total stangehold on 4th in the Valley ... instead we're battling to stay out of 7th. LOTS of basketball left to play and I'd be stunned if a bunch of things aren't determined until the final weekend...
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Well a win on Saturday could potentially put us back into fourth place. And third is not out of the question with our two remaining games against Creighton. I'm convinced that after their performance tonight, both Creighton games are for our taking. We'll see what happens.
 
Thanks for the update.

I see Bradley might wind up tied at 9-9 with UNI and Indy St for 5th. Winner of the tie-breaker will be the 5 seed and draw (I'm projecting now, so bear with me) CU at 10-8. Next in the tie-breakers gets the dreaded 6 seed and draws SIU (finishing 11-7). Loser of the tiebreakers gets a date with Evansville (losing tiebreaker to WSU, who gets the 9 seed against Mo St).
 
I like the projection stuff ... Considering a few different scenarios ... if it came down to tiebreaker points, Bradley would likely end up 5th. This is mostly because we'd be getting a bunch of points from wins over CU/SIU at home, for example.

As it turns out, it looks like the Indiana State AT Northern Iowa game will be enormous, as Indiana State already won the first matchup at home. UNI would pretty much assure themselves of staying out of Thursday with a win in that one.
 
Truest point from that article:

WHAT TO WATCH
Creighton at Bradley, 1 p.m. Saturday (FSN, Ch. 34) _ Bradley's embarrassing effort at Indiana State means the Braves are teetering on the edge of disaster. Check out the remaining schedule _ Creighton twice, Drake and Southern Illinois.

Though this is entirely true ... still ... OUCH. :( The writer also calls into question Bradley's lack of depth.


Do we really have no depth or do we just not use as many players as we did earlier in the season (from a 10-man rotation down to 7 on most nights lately)?
 
BUBraves2006 said:
Truest point from that article:

WHAT TO WATCH
Creighton at Bradley, 1 p.m. Saturday (FSN, Ch. 34) _ Bradley's embarrassing effort at Indiana State means the Braves are teetering on the edge of disaster. Check out the remaining schedule _ Creighton twice, Drake and Southern Illinois.

Though this is entirely true ... still ... OUCH. :( The writer also calls into question Bradley's lack of depth.


Do we really have no depth or do we just not use as many players as we did earlier in the season (from a 10-man rotation down to 7 on most nights lately)?
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We're just not using our bench as much I believe. Granted Rashad is playing more then he did in the begining of the year, but David doesn't come off the bench anymore and Will is hurt, TCS doesn't play because he doesn't contribute when he's on the court. It's a shame that our bench hasn't contributed more, the one thing I'd like to see is more Sam Singh down the stretch. I know he's not our most athletic player, but he more then makes up for it by being one of our smartest players.
 
BUBraves06 said:
the one thing I'd like to see is more Sam Singh down the stretch. I know he's not our most athletic player, but he more then makes up for it by being one of our smartest players.
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Is he really that smart? He fouls at an alarming rate and makes some silly passes. He is the best finisher out of our bigs though, and he is a legit 6'9", so that alone tells me he should be seeing more time than #22.
 
BUBraves2006 said:
Truest point from that article:

WHAT TO WATCH
Creighton at Bradley, 1 p.m. Saturday (FSN, Ch. 34) _ Bradley's embarrassing effort at Indiana State means the Braves are teetering on the edge of disaster. Check out the remaining schedule _ Creighton twice, Drake and Southern Illinois.

Though this is entirely true ... still ... OUCH. :( The writer also calls into question Bradley's lack of depth.


Do we really have no depth or do we just not use as many players as we did earlier in the season (from a 10-man rotation down to 7 on most nights lately)?
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Against InSt, Ruff played 40 minutes. That would never happen on a team with depth. We have 1 guard (SM) to backup our 4 starting guards.
We only have "depth" at 5 with Salley, Singh and RA.
 
BradleyBrave said:
Is he really that smart? He fouls at an alarming rate and makes some silly passes. He is the best finisher out of our bigs though, and he is a legit 6'9", so that alone tells me he should be seeing more time than #22.
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To me, he's smart because he moves well without the ball and always seems to make the right cut to get himself open. His fouls are really down to his lack of athleticism. He just can't keep up with some of the bigs he has to guard which is a shame. With that said, Matt Salley is always out of position defensively and is a three-point play machine for the other team, I agree that Sam should be on the court more.
 
BUBraves06 said:
... TCS doesn't play because he doesn't contribute when he's on the court.
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If this is true (and I agree with you), do you think this puts even more pressure on him to make a shot.... which makes him try even harder to make a shot (therefore, not relaxed enough)... the pressure has gotten to him.

Anyone think JL subs based on that theory for T C-S?
 
BradleyBrave said:
Is he really that smart? He fouls at an alarming rate and makes some silly passes. He is the best finisher out of our bigs though, and he is a legit 6'9", so that alone tells me he should be seeing more time than #22.
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BB...have you gotten to the point where you don't even want to type his name anymore? So instead, you use his number in order to save your fingers from the frustration of having to type out the letters of his name?...I like it. I think I will no longer use names or initials of the players I am frustrated with...I will only refer to them as #0, #22, and #4 from here on out.
 
MacabreMob said:
If this is true (and I agree with you), do you think this puts even more pressure on him to make a shot.... which makes him try even harder to make a shot (therefore, not relaxed enough)... the pressure has gotten to him.

Anyone think JL subs based on that theory for T C-S?
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Maybe...but the problem with #0 is that he needs to realize there are other ways to contribute positively in a game that don't involve jacking up a shot every time he has an opportunity...If he could use his quickness to be disruptive on defense, he could continue to get minutes without contributing as a scorer...but it doesn't appear that he is a very good defender at all right now, and he is a brick-laying, turnover machine on offense...so that is a bad recipe for him to get minutes.
He kinda reminds me of David Selby...but hopefully he figures some things out in the off-season because he certainly has the athletic ability to be a real asset to this team on either end of the floor...
 
MacabreMob said:
If this is true (and I agree with you), do you think this puts even more pressure on him to make a shot.... which makes him try even harder to make a shot (therefore, not relaxed enough)... the pressure has gotten to him.

Anyone think JL subs based on that theory for T C-S?
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I'm sure he's put a ton of pressure on himself and it only continues to grow with the way his season and Bradley career has started. What I wonder is, how does he look in practice? Coach always refers to guys getting minutes because they perform well in practice, but TCS can't get so much as a minute of garbage time in any game, which makes me wonder if he looks as bad in practice as he has looked when he gets into games, as infrequently as that is.
 
We need to win our home games and hope for the best as trying to win on the road will be very difficult; I thought Cole-scott was playing better and I still believe Sam Singh and Rashaad Austin should be playing at the same time and getting more minutes as they both have good hands and rebound ; it makes our inside game much harder to defend with those 2 big bodies on the floor together.
 
real fan said:
We need to win our home games and hope for the best as trying to win on the road will be very difficult; I thought Cole-scott was playing better and I still believe Sam Singh and Rashaad Austin should be playing at the same time and getting more minutes as they both have good hands and rebound ; it makes our inside game much harder to defend with those 2 big bodies on the floor together.
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Agreed...

Why is it that we're always talking about how we have to matchup w/ other teams? Why don't we make them matchup w/ us..?!

Beyond that, I'm sick of the these guys weren't ready to play tonight excuses...who exactly should that fall on...it should fall on you Mr. Les!

Along w/ that, I believe our lack of depth has everything in the world to do w/ the coaching staff and nothing w/ the players...

As I have stated earlier in the season, you have to put players in a position to succeed and give them roles that will allow them to do so...

Matt Salley should NOT be a 5, let alone a starter...he is a role player on a decent team at best and should be on this one...

Theron Wilson SHOULD start, BUT at the 3...he is NOT a 4, nor will he ever be...

And explain to me how we are at Thursday February 14th and Coach Les still does not know who his players are...how is this even remotely possible?!

Can someone get Dana Altman in here to run a clinic and show our Coach how to properly substitute and maintain a decent rotation to where all of his players get minutes...

In Dana's system everyone plays, and everyone contributes something because they all have a defined role on that team year in and year out, but with us...who knows what you will get...

Crouch is a prime example...think of how much better he'd be if he had ANY role whatsoever his Freshman or Sophomore seasons rather than towel boy or bench warmer.

This all just leads me to believe that there are some serious deficiencies in Les' coaching game that may never be fixed!
 
Wasn't Crouch seeing significant minutes as a freshman, and then expected to start as a sophomore but he shot so poorly that he lost all confidence and became totally ineffective?

Edit-- Just checked. Crouch started 24 out of 28 games as a freshman and averaged almost 27 mpg... I'm not sure how that qualifies him as a bench warmer.
 
thefish7 said:
Wasn't Crouch seeing significant minutes as a freshman, and then expected to start as a sophomore but he shot so poorly that he lost all confidence and became totally ineffective?

Edit-- Just checked. Crouch started 24 out of 28 games as a freshman and averaged almost 27 mpg... I'm not sure how that qualifies him as a bench warmer.
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I think he averaged 10 points a game is freshman year.
 
Just realized what I typed...

I meant "from" his Freshman to Sophomore seasons....

It just seemed to me that as he lost a little faith in his shot, our coach lost more...

seems to be happening to many of our guys w/o the #22


I just hate to see talent wasted behind a guy that on any team let alone a good one who is no better than an average role player...


Not only that, like I stated prior, a decent coach would figure out how to get DC, Tyrone, and Will minutes, and not only that, but minutes where they would be put in a position to succeed...

Look at Creighton...no they may not have the most talent this year, and they won't win the conference either, but they ALWAYS put themselves in position to make a run at the tournament title...and you know why? All of their players are fresh enough to play 3 in 3 because of the minutes they play....no one is so worn out by March that they have no legs (ala Will last yr) and not only that, but everyone has played some role on their team so they know they can count on all 12 playing some minutes if needed come tournament time...

At this point, 1) our guards already have no legs and 2) could we really count on positive results if we had to play DC or Tyrone many minutes come tournament time?

After what they have played lately, I don't see that happening!


And please, for the love of God, quit running the 4-guard offense and the weave....

Remember what got you to the Sweet 16 Jimmy!
 
SaintLouBrave22; said:
Can someone get Dana Altman in here to run a clinic
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You mean the same Dana Altman who just took his vastly superior players to Evansville, and got whupped by the Aces, even though Evansville didn't have their best player, team leader, and 2nd leading scorer & top assist man - Jason Holzinger?

Previous Newcomer of the Week Cavel Witter had one point and 6 turnovers, and two different starters (Dotzler and Lawson) went scoreless.
Nine different times a Creighton player has been POW or NOW, and Evansville has done it only once, and that was Holzinger who didn't play.
Had Jim Les lost in this situation, you'd be calling for a clinic from some other coach....gimme a break!
 
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