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Wow- BU loses 68-65

After sleeping on the loss, a few takes:
??? Losing at home has to be made unacceptable. Like others here, I remember going to BU games growing up and always knowing they would win at home.
??? Even in a loss, there are some good things. What were they? MK??™s shooting has to be one bright spot. We still haven??™t lost a conference game yet! ISU got murdered at oHIo.
??? MK was on fire, but on defense he still seems lost and perhaps this is why he never made it back into the game and I can understand and agree with that. However, he wasn??™t the only one lost on defense last night. Loyola made numerous entry passes into the post just a couple feet from the basket and had clear lanes to the basket all night long. Maybe we should have went zone and put EM down low on D.
??? I feel like AW could get 20+ every night with a few more touches. I would like to see him be more assertive and go to the basket more.
??? Is CR our best and most consistent player right now?
??? I saw Branches and TB in the game at the same time, although I??™m not sure it helped. Does anyone have stats showing the scoring output for the different in game combinations?
??? While injuries to DD and DSE are very disappointing, I still feel we have plenty of talent to win every game on our schedule without them.
??? I believe I heard Dave and chuck Dave mention before the final play that they would not guard the in bounder. I don??™t have a problem with not guarding the in bounder there, but if that??™s the case then the inbound pass can??™t make it to half-court.
??? The refs certainly were the worst batch all year and almost seemed to have an agenda. However, BU still should have won by double digits. I thought I read where Loyola was picked to finish last in their conference.
??? I don??™t think we can blame all this on Jim. The players have to be held accountable for the some of the ridiculous turnovers in the second half. I??™m looking forward to seeing how this team responds at Iowa St. Does anyone have the video tape of Jim??™s hiring? To this day, I still see that press conference and promises flash before my eyes??¦
??? I believe one of Jim??™s strengths a s a coach is designing plays, so I would liked to have seen him use s a couple more time outs to draw up a plays towards the end of the game.
??? Thank goodness for channelsurfing.net. BU.tv is a horrible product.
??? Finally. As a previous season ticket holder, who now lives out of state, who are the fans that are leaving early? Listening to the game, Dave remarked about all the people leaving the game with a few minutes left. Very funny comments about the Peoria traffic and such. I??™m not sure I??™ll ever be able to understand this. I can only think of a few reasons that this might be a warranted, such as a severed artery, house on fire or under nuclear attack.
 
Wow! - Bad Losses

Wow! - Bad Losses

Coach---A couple of observations. We have to look at the long-term result rather than one or two seasons or games, so here goes:
1. Our only real "up" was 2 great NCAA wins in 2006. Other that that, we've never finished better than 4th in the conf. in 7 years.
2. Our W-L record is distorted and padded by playing in a couple of insignificant and unimportant post season tournaments.
3. We continue to see the same problems year after year. We always seem to use the rationale that "these are fixable" but they never are fixed. Perimeter offense with no inside game - Very poor offensive rebounding due to using our bigs to screen out top and leaving the inside wide open - Terrible inconsistancy in our offense, defense, intensity level, and focus - Poor free throw shooting - Questionable substitution patterns that seem to be based on an inflexible set rotation and do not recognize that changing game situations sometime require going to the "hot hand" and benching those playing badly - "Thread the needle passes - Terrible screens.

I agree with you that all of these are "fixable" but---My question is WHEN?
 
Coach---A couple of observations. We have to look at the long-term result rather than one or two seasons or games, so here goes:
1. Our only real "up" was 2 great NCAA wins in 2006. Other that that, we've never finished better than 4th in the conf. in 7 years.
2. Our W-L record is distorted and padded by playing in a couple of insignificant and unimportant post season tournaments.
3. We continue to see the same problems year after year. We always seem to use the rationale that "these are fixable" but they never are fixed. Perimeter offense with no inside game - Very poor offensive rebounding due to using our bigs to screen out top and leaving the inside wide open - Terrible inconsistancy in our offense, defense, intensity level, and focus - Poor free throw shooting - Questionable substitution patterns that seem to be based on an inflexible set rotation and do not recognize that changing game situations sometime require going to the "hot hand" and benching those playing badly - "Thread the needle passes - Terrible screens.

I agree with you that all of these are "fixable" but---My question is WHEN?

I hate that incorrect #1 being thrown around. The year NIT year following the S16 was
recognized a fine coaching year for BU, a COY worthy year, revamping a team that lost a ton to graduation and 1 to the NBA into a reasonably sucessful team.
There is an absolute problem we have gained nothing since the NIT, but I hate calling that a poor year.
 
Thinking about our final play, timed to give a tip-in possibility?

We have a guy, this year, that won a game (in Brazil) with a last-second tip-in. Why was guy the #2 option to take a shot away from the basket?
 
Huh?!? Last year?

Yes. Bradley bottomed out with a bad loss at Wisconsin-Milwaukee last year (12/20/08 ) to fall to 5-5. Jim reorganized his lineup and player rotation, and Bradley went on to play their best basketball of the season, winning their next 5 games, including road games at Wichita State and Missouri State, and big home wins over SIU and undefeated ISU.
 
Yes. Bradley bottomed out with a bad loss at Wisconsin-Milwaukee last year (12/20/08 ) to fall to 5-5. Jim reorganized his lineup and player rotation, and Bradley went on to play their best basketball of the season, winning their next 5 games, including road games at Wichita State and Missouri State, and big home wins over SIU and undefeated ISU.

How did the season end in 2006? And how did it end last year? No comparison.
 
I know how the season ended. That was not the point. The point is that the team rebounded from a similar situation last season, and played extremely well for the next couple weeks. They can do that again this year.
 
I know how the season ended. That was not the point. The point is that the team rebounded from a similar situation last season, and played extremely well for the next couple weeks. They can do that again this year.

We beat a down trodden SIU, an inflated ISU, and two also rans. I'd like to aim higher.
 
Bad game, players and coaches feel terrible, fans are down, so what's new....welcome to midmajor basketball.....Tornado quote

We do we buy into this crap! Midmajor basketball! Were we midmajor when we beat Illinois? I hate it when the media uses it, but when we use the term it's even more reprehensible. I'll apologize now for wanting more, as I'm sure some will take offense to this.
 
Free throws and execution are a big problem for this team. Those things are fixable. This team did turn around last year after a bad loss at Milwaukee.
I don't agree that it is due to coaching.

Did ISU lost at Ohio because of coaching? Have Creighton's losses this year been due to coaching?
DC Your first paragraph doesn't surprise me, but the natives are getting restless and you will, but can't deny we have seen some strange decisions from the bench and it doesn't seem to be getting better with experience.
 
Yes. Bradley bottomed out with a bad loss at Wisconsin-Milwaukee last year (12/20/08 ) to fall to 5-5. Jim reorganized his lineup and player rotation, and Bradley went on to play their best basketball of the season, winning their next 5 games, including road games at Wichita State and Missouri State, and big home wins over SIU and undefeated ISU.

We went 16-12 after "bottoming out" at UWM last year...is that really anything to hang our hats on? Is a 5 game stretch of good basketball enough to label a season as a success? I sure hope not.
We won 5 games in a row after UWM...and then went 11-12 to finish the year from that point on...
Doesn't exactly sound like a banner year to me...but maybe I just expect too much.
 
WOW is right! I left at the half to attend a function and I came back excited to see by how much we won! :oops:

I have one question because I have no desire to check out the box score, why did JL pull MK out in the 1st half? He was on fire. Ok one more, did he play any quality minutes in the 2nd?

When a player is in a zone you should let him play himself out before you yank them, IMHO.
 
Free throws and execution are a big problem for this team. Those things are fixable. This team did turn around last year after a bad loss at Milwaukee.
I don't agree that it is due to coaching.

Did ISU lost at Ohio because of coaching? Have Creighton's losses this year been due to coaching?

Again, don't really care why they lost.
 
I don't believe coaching was the entire reason we lost, but maybe you can answer this Coach. Why does Les seem to bench the hot players for ten minutes (MK tonight) at a time when the rest of the team is having an off night? Shouldn't a coach play the percentages?

And I know this is a second question, but why did Les draw up a play at the end of the game to a poor shooting (for this game) TB instead of leaving him exposed and getting the ball to one of the hotter shooting players? I think it's things like that lead to some of the questions that our posters ask.

Reminds me of the 70's. When ever someone besides the "star" was hot, out he came. Only thing, in those years we had a "star".
 
The point is (and it seems I always have to explain my point) that it is not coaching that is always the cause of every loss.


Unless, of course, it's Bradley that loses.:roll:
 
Nice try changing the subject, but the subject was last night's game.
If we are going to talk about the last 9 years, Bradley hasn't played this way either. Note that Bradley's record is way better than ISU's over the last 9 years, they have almost the same number of wins as Creighton.
Also, ISU has not played in the NCAA since 1998, and neither of them has won an NCAA game since Jim Les has been coaching at Bradley. And needless to say, neither has played in the Sweet 16.
So if we are going to play the game where we find things about past years to complain about, I'll be happy to provide some of the successes of these past years, too.

Sorry Coach, but you are the one who brought up ISU and Creighton.
 
I have one question because I have no desire to check out the box score, why did JL pull MK out in the 1st half? He was on fire. Ok one more, did he play any quality minutes in the 2nd?

Apparently, he doesn't play defense as well as anyone else on the team. No, he did not play any quality minutes in the 2nd.
 
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