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I dont blame the coaching

tornado said:
wily -- that's unfair....that's not at all what I did, I am NOT complaining...just citing that the sudden switching from refs that call a lot to refs who don't is hard to adjust and be prepared for and it favored ISU better than it favored us..
personally I'd love if it was like this all the time, and if it was, then when we had POB we'd have been undefeated and gone to the Final Four..

Anyway...a solid banger/center like Dinma took ISU 5 years of scholarship commitment and doesn't happen often in the MVC...we can want a center like that but it's not like you can get one off ebay...

and BB - I am sorry I never saw such a post..please relink if you would, please...
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No problem, here it is. My list is on Page 2.

http://www.bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14549&highlight=Jirsa
 
tornado said:
wily -- that's unfair....that's not at all what I did, I am NOT complaining...just citing that the sudden switching from refs that call a lot to refs who don't is hard to adjust and be prepared for and it favored ISU better than it favored us..
personally I'd love if it was like this all the time, and if it was, then when we had POB we'd have been undefeated and gone to the Final Four..

Anyway...a solid banger/center like Dinma took ISU 5 years of scholarship commitment and doesn't happen often in the MVC...we can want a center like that but it's not like you can get one off ebay...

and BB - I am sorry I never saw such a post..please relink if you would, please...
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T maybe complaining was the wrong choice of words. Maybe I should have used "making excuses." No two officials call the game the same way because they are humans not machines. We just need to adapt to how the game is being called and in most instances it just takes a few whistles or no whistles to determine how its going to be called. With Baywatch we know he usually lets em play. What I was trying to say ,is we just don't have the Bigs to counteract the physical play that some in our league do and that puts us at a disadvantage. Not the stripes working each game. It would be nice to have consistency from each crew we get to work our games but that will never happen because of many different reasons.
 
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We talk all the time about how much talent this team has. We had high expectations this year. Many said now or never. I can't stand the thought of seeing SM and AW finish their time here and not see the Tourney once. Eight years and nothing has improved in the last six years. What reasons do we have to think anything will change next year. I just don't want BU to sit around waiting for JL to figure things out while the program slowly slides down hill and then when they do bring in someone new its a rebuild project. I would love to see JL exceed more than anyone, but something has to change whether its the top dog or his assistants or strategy or something, but what's in place right now clearly hasn't been working.
 
BradleyJD said:
Start looking at top-level programs and find a good, young, assistant coach who has been learning under a quality coach. Maybe someone who is known as a hard worker, a good recruiter, and a good person as well.
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The better idea is to shoot for someone from a lower level mid-major or a lower program that has excelled at what they do or came from a major program as an assistant and excelled in a short time getting a head job....

ie the book of what Wichita State did in landing Gregg Marshall after he rolled at Winthrop...


Examples:


Mike Lonergan, Vermont
Randy Rahe, Weber State
Blaine Taylor, Old Dominion
Tod Kowalczyjk, Green Bay
Brad Brownell, Wright State
Fran McCaffery, Siena
Keith Dambrot, Akron
Billy Kennedy, Murray State
Scott Sutton, Oral Roberts
Randy Bennett, St. Mary's


And I'm certain I missed a few...also there are some Divison II coaches that I'm certain would be real good finds...


HAVE I GIVEN YOU ENOUGH TO TALK ABOUT?!
 
DeltaBrave03 said:
If I were a big guy and I watched BU play and say how the 5 doesn't get more than 3 touches on the post. Why would I want to come play here and do nothing but set screens for the 4 guards?
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Your exactly right friend:D And I will add, they would take all the blame for the lack of rebounding because they are out past the free throw line setting those screens on offense and out there trying to help out a guard on defense:roll: Then they try to get back and pick up your man, plus get position on him for a rebound:roll: The worst thing about it all is it's just them with no other big to help you out:!: And wheres the guards while you are doing all this:doubt: They are sitting out there waiting and watching for you to get them the ball again so they can look you off and then put up another bomb:rolleyes: There is NO inside game in this system we play and that is a good part (as you say) why we can not get good quality bigs here while other MVC teams and mid major's do, at lease the ones that finish at the top or near the top:(
 
wily coyote said:
T maybe complaining was the wrong choice of words. Maybe I should have used "making excuses." No two officials call the game the same way because they are humans not machines. We just need to adapt to how the game is being called and in most instances it just takes a few whistles or no whistles to determine how its going to be called. With Baywatch we know he usually lets em play. What I was trying to say ,is we just don't have the Bigs to counteract the physical play that some in our league do and that puts us at a disadvantage. Not the stripes working each game. It would be nice to have consistency from each crew we get to work are games but that will never happen because of many different reasons.
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The games in the Valley are being called more like the games in the big ten because you get a lot of the same refs for the bigger games, I think they let them play more physical which is why the score have gotten much lower, our team does not fit well in this system because of our lack of size. We led this game for over 38 minutes so I thought the officials did a good overall job, would liked to have gotten the charging foul when Maniscalco was run over late but we still should have won the game.
 
I don't blame the coaching

I don't blame the coaching

Bdu4---Yes! If we don't win the MVC Tourn. or otherwise get invited to the NCAA or NIT, our season should be over. A mediocre year should not be rewarded just for the sake of more $$$ or to boost a bad W-L record. This should be firmed up and clearly understood before the year begins. Otherwise, our goals get watered down with the belief that we will be in a post season tournament regardless of how we play. The players can use the time on the books and they can work on their skills for next year in the gym. A few extra meaningless games is not going to improve them. Also tournament time can be put to better use by the coaches to recruit which is hard to do if you are preparing for a "Ho-Hum" tournament.
 
It's the chicken and the egg. You don't have an inside game because you don't have an inside player, or you don't have an inside player because you don't have an inside game. I've heard both arguments on these boards today.
 
Good grief the mind is spinning....

I don't think I would be for a change next year either. What I would be for is a sit down between the AD and JL and see what the course of action is for next year. Obviously the biggest concerns is coaching. And I still think it may be difficult for JL to get a top asst. with EB as associate head coach...AND being on the hot seat at the same time.....this seems likea huge hurdle for JL going forward.

I would also address the concern for the big-small agenda in recruiting as well.....If you don't have quality bigs you have to have way above avg guards. We have good ones for sure but not enough to overcome the big situation....

We seem to have a problem after half time. We prepare well but don't adjust well...
 
lefty said:
Good grief the mind is spinning....

I don't think I would be for a change next year either. What I would be for is a sit down between the AD and JL and see what the course of action is for next year. Obviously the biggest concerns is coaching. And I still think it may be difficult for JL to get a top asst. with EB as associate head coach...AND being on the hot seat at the same time.....this seems likea huge hurdle for JL going forward.

I would also address the concern for the big-small agenda in recruiting as well.....If you don't have quality bigs you have to have way above avg guards. We have good ones for sure but not enough to overcome the big situation....

We seem to have a problem after half time. We prepare well but don't adjust well...
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I just hope the AD doesn't read this board, unless he can keep it in the proper perspective.
 
lefty said:
Good grief the mind is spinning....

I don't think I would be for a change next year either. What I would be for is a sit down between the AD and JL and see what the course of action is for next year. Obviously the biggest concerns is coaching. And I still think it may be difficult for JL to get a top asst. with EB as associate head coach...AND being on the hot seat at the same time.....this seems likea huge hurdle for JL going forward.

I would also address the concern for the big-small agenda in recruiting as well.....If you don't have quality bigs you have to have way above avg guards. We have good ones for sure but not enough to overcome the big situation....

We seem to have a problem after half time. We prepare well but don't adjust well...
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Aside from a couple of years where we had a competent staff from top to bottom, we've never adjusted that well. That's part of why since December I have harped more on the staff as a whole than just Les himself. I don't necessarily think JL is that bad of a coach, but everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I think for the most part we're prepared, and for the most part we play the right guys. I think we do well out of timeouts. I don't think we're taught very well in practice, don't think we defend or rebound great, and don't think we use timeouts or adjust well at the half. Get a competent staff that's strong in those areas, and we may be onto something. The problem is I am not sure we'll ever have that with the current guy at the top. Too many other factors seem to be in play.
 
BradleyBrave said:
I don't necessarily think JL is that bad of a coach, but everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I think for the most part we're prepared, and for the most part we play the right guys. I think we do well out of timeouts. I don't think we're taught very well in practice, don't think we defend or rebound great, and don't think we use timeouts or adjust well at the half. Get a competent staff that's strong in those areas, and we may be onto something. The problem is I am not sure we'll ever have that with the current guy at the top. Too many other factors seem to be in play.
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I agree. This staff was doomed when Jim did not keep Chuck. Les cannot do this job himself, that much is clear.
 
we is Da Coach and I both of whom want to know names of other coaches we ought to pursue..now that some have offered examples of names, I appreciate it..(btw - I am not the only one who uses "we", NINE other posters on this page alone use the pronoun "we" when posting....so are the others also using multiple names??)
most of those names wouldn't be likely to move horizontally and come to BU as we can't pay the $ millions required to lure them...others have had little more success...eg-- Akron plays a weaker schedule and has almost exactly the same record as we do since 2006/
Are any of those names flat out blow-you-away candidates that you'd place at the top of the list??

I hate to spend the time responding to the guys that just aren't worth the rebuttal...
 
BradleyBrave said:
Rick Malnati is available. He's got connections out the wazzoo in the Chicago area HS ranks, was an outstanding HS coach for several years and produced several DI players, and is a Bradley alum from the Les (Tom/Jim) era. Fits the mold of what we're looking for. Hire him, then add another guy or two with his kind of pedigree...and we might have a staff comparable to rest of the teams in the MVC!
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Agree. Sign up Malnati

His New Trier teams actually ran a real offense and played defense!
 
tornado said:
we is Da Coach and I both of whom want to know names of other coaches we ought to pursue..now that some have offered examples of names, I appreciate it..
most of those names wouldn't be likely to move horizontally and come to BU as we can't pay the $ millions required to lure them...others have had little more success...eg-- Akron plays a weaker schedule and has almost exactly the same record as we do since 2006/
Are any of those names flat out blow-you-away candidates that you'd place at the top of the list??

I hate to spend the time responding to the guys that just aren't worth the rebuttal...
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So what you're saying is we're doomed to eventually be Evansville? Might as well pack up and leave the MVC as soon as we can if that's the case. For some reason I don't think you truly believe that...
 
tornado said:
we is Da Coach and I both of whom want to know names of other coaches we ought to pursue..now that some have offered examples of names, I appreciate it..
most of those names wouldn't be likely to move horizontally and come to BU as we can't pay the $ millions required to lure them...others have had little more success...eg-- Akron plays a weaker schedule and has almost exactly the same record as we do since 2006/
Are any of those names flat out blow-you-away candidates that you'd place at the top of the list??

I hate to spend the time responding to the guys that just aren't worth the rebuttal...
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Well Jim is getting $400,000+ to coach here, so I think many many up-and-coming coaches would be willing to come here for a chance to be the head coach.

The other thing about coaching candidates is this.....until you make the move how do you know what will happen? So as far as names that blow you out of the water, it's not relevant exactly.

Give me a coach who WANTS the job and will work his butt off and improve BU. This .500, no conference titles, no REAL postseason, no Valley tourney titles stuff is not cutting it.

I don't want change for change's sake. I want change for a better and successful program
 
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