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Hoosier beat reporter from Indianapolis Star believes Wilkins has NOT committed

tornado

tornado

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John Wilkins is taking his visit to Indiana this wekend..
http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/archives/2010/03/moses_abraham_v.html

BTW -- they also report all the public officials' salaries...and guess who is
#1 in the entire State of Indiana???

Yup, Tom Crean.....so he has plenty to spend on landing JW!!
http://www.indystar.com/article/201...is-the-highest-paid-state-employee-in-Indiana

(btw-- the reason Matt Painter is not on this list is that his base salary is actually only $230,000)
http://www.indystar.com/data/govern...evPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPIsortType=&CPIorderBy=


Here's an interesting tidbit...the recently fired basketball assistant
that Crean had brought in to land some top talent from out east...Roshawn McLeod,
was hauling in $170,000 with his wife also working for IU and hauling in $108,000...as a teacher!!
http://www.indystar.com/data/govern...evPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPIsortType=&CPIorderBy=
http://www.indystar.com/data/govern...evPageID=2&cpipage=1&CPIsortType=&CPIorderBy=
 
I did a little more search...
the other Indiana assistants get...

Tim Buckley- $190,000
Bennie Seltzer- $170,000
Brain Barone- $60,000 (son of Tony)
Chris Reynolds- $110,000 (ex-Central player, Senior Associate Athletic Director for Regulatory Affairs)

(btw, IU has almost 200 people working in their athletic dept!!)
 
Help me understand the PJ Star

Help me understand the PJ Star

So I assume on Sunday night or Monday morning, the PJ Star will run a small article on the bradleyhoops page stating that JW has verbally committed to Indiana and Coach Crean. How will we know which article is correct????????
 
We've learned many times that a verbal can be soft and even a strong verbal can be worthless.......
BUT--- as we have learned from the Charlie Villanueva and Manual Cass experience...
you simply cannot know until the ink is dry on the LOI..
BUT--- update to the Justin Dentmon phenomenon...and actually you really can't know even AFTER the ink is dry...
you have to wait 'til the kid is enrolled!!

BUT--- recently we have seen from the Daniel West and Kenyon Smith scenarios,
that even after the ink is dry and the kid is enrolled...you still can't always be sure...
you have to wait until he puts the uniform on and logs minutes on court.......

BUT-- even if he puts on the jersey, logs minutes on the court, as we learned from Lance Stemler and Marcus Arnold -
he still may end up playing somewhere else........so there's your answer......
 
I have to admit I kind of quit following this because it has become quite tiresome, but I had heard that perhaps an Iowa St assistant coerced or misinterpreted something from JW? Any truth to this? Weird.
 
The way I see it he has comitted twice once to us and once to Iowa State. Things may have changed since he comitted, but he did comit.
 
If you ever go to Indiana's site it makes you wonder how many scholarships they have as it seems they have recruited and offerred at least 1/2 of the players in the United States. Obviously some of their "cohesive" team at present will be gone if they sign anyone. With the money Crean is making it also appears that he has not done "jack $shit" so far except talk a good game and run up and down the sidelines ala Bruce Weber style. It didn't take Calipari or a few other coaches two years to get back in the limelite. The media is giving him a free ride and he hasn't won anything yet.
 
Crean has recruited a couple nice players, but he is enamoured by the athletic wing types and the undersized/overachiever forward type and hasn't gotten a real point guard or a real big inside player yet to compete in the Big Ten.
John Wilkins fits the mold of several players already on their roster and the 2 recruits he has coming already for next year. I can understand why IU fans are puzzled why Crean would be pursuing Wilkins when their biggest need is a true point guard, or the true big-bodied inside player.
 
Da Coach said:
Crean has recruited a couple nice players, but he is enamoured by the athletic wing types and the undersized/overachiever forward type and hasn't gotten a real point guard or a real big inside player yet to compete in the Big Ten.
John Wilkins fits the mold of several players already on their roster and the 2 recruits he has coming already for next year. I can understand why IU fans are puzzled why Crean would be pursuing Wilkins when their biggest need is a true point guard, or the true big-bodied inside player.
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It's kind of surprising that he is enamored with those types of players, considering he is a disciple of Tom Izzo, whose staples are defense, rebounding, and big, physical players. I guess perhaps it's because of all the success he had with the Wades, Novaks, and Dieners that he's gotten away from his roots. It's hard to win with finesse as opposed to size in the Big Ten. Just ask Todd Lickliter.
 
SycamoreFanatic said:
If you ever go to Indiana's site it makes you wonder how many scholarships they have as it seems they have recruited and offerred at least 1/2 of the players in the United States. ...
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true..at any given time...even with all their scholarships spoken for (apparently) they still have 12-20 offers out there...
so I guess they play their roster like a hand of gin rummy...
anything better than comes along, they discard one they have in hand and pick up a new one!
 
tornado said:
true..at any given time...even with all their scholarships spoken for (apparently) they still have 12-20 offers out there...
so I guess they play their roster like a hand of gin rummy...
anything better than comes along, they discard one they have in hand and pick up a new one!
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I guess a recruit should know when they are treated as a "number" vs a school like Bradley where Wlkins is wanted and would not be caught up in a numbers game!
 
and here's more from a premium blog at IU...

apparently the top target for Indiana was Moses Abraham, who just visited...and when he left town he went back east then committed to Georgetown..
but when he was on IU's campus he reportedly gave his assurance to the IU coaches that was coming to Indiana,
but once he got back out east, the Georgetown coaches got in the door and swayed him back the other way.
So this proves the benefit of getting in and talking to the kids as they are obviously quite impressionable as we have seen in the John Wilkins case....

the coaches and recruiters believe if they get in the door with the kid or get him to campus, they can get the commitment...
but once he leaves if he talks with another school, then all bets are off...


BTW - recall back in fall of 2008, John Wilkins was fully ready to enroll at Bradley and would have had it not been for the lousy transcript issues and the grade reports from Belgium that didn't come.

In other words...the closest the kid's been to committing and actually going anywhere was that he WAS committed to BU and was fully ready to enroll...
so thank the NCAA and the Clearinghouse for screwing us on that one...
because now that the other recruiters are in the kid's ears...no telling where he may end up..........
 
tornado said:
BTW - recall back in fall of 2008, John Wilkins was fully ready to enroll at Bradley and would have had it not been for the lousy transcript issues and the grade reports from Belgium that didn't come.

In other words...the closest the kid's been to committing and actually going anywhere was that he WAS committed to BU and was fully ready to enroll...
so thank the NCAA and the Clearinghouse for screwing us on that one...
because now that the other recruiters are in the kid's ears...no telling where he may end up..........
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That's always been my take ever since he wasn't able to enroll. Just from reading the tea leaves, it seemed like Bradley was his best available option for a team that wouldn't require him to redshirt. Then the NCAA caused problems and basically reopened his recruitment.

When he commits somewhere else, I won't be mad at JW at all. He has to do what's best for him. However, I'll be pissed at the NCAA for dragging its feet and, in effect, taking away Bradley's one biggest chip in attracting JW.
 
as John Wilkins is at IU taking his visit, one of the IU bloggers ridicules the idea that JW is the answer to their big man problem...
IU has virtually NO presence in the paint and routinely gets killed by other teams' big men, yet Wilkins is a slender wing fwd (180 lbs!) who doesn't really play in the paint..
They are already loaded with similar players and pursuing more as well...
I hope John reads this and realizes he is only a fall back at IU if they can't sign someone else..
 
OK - since I don't do Facebook - someone else check this out...
now the discussion is that Indiana Hooiser Verdell Jones has just become friends on Facebook with John Wilkins in some sort of attempt
to help with the recruiting - even claiming in some way to be working towards that end...

one other premium IU site said
"Indiana continues to hotly pursue 6-foot-9, junior college forward John Wilkins, the Belgian native now at Southeastern Iowa.
Sources (say..) that Hoosier coach Tom Crean flew out to Burlington, Iowa on Wednesday to scout Wilkins. We also hear that
his recent visit to Bloomington went well. A visit to Illinois State, his father's alma mater, was planned after the IU trip and that
likely be his last trip. Bradley is still a potential player, and the Braves had a scholarship open up a few days ago."

also in the premium report is a comment that highly regarded prospect Brandon Young (out of DC), who had verballed to DePaul
now wants out of his commitment (LOI) and is looking elsewhere....he is projected as a possible starter at either guard spot.
 
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